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I might be tripping, but didn't Luffy only use Snakeman against base Kaido?
It's not only for this specific post. The second someone voices their disagreement about everyone and their mother being FTL (+), y'all label them as haters, downplayers, denying OP as a whole > LS, etc. It's become...
Kizaru isn’t confirmed to be the fastest character in the verse, so me disagreeing with FTL Kizaru at that point =/= me disagreeing with FTL OP as a while.
This isn’t something hard to understand, y’all are trying way too hard to make me some type of enemy lol.
For example if you wanna keep...
I said characters similar in stats to Gear 5, so that includes Kaido…y’all are trying so hard to pin me as some op hater just because I don’t agree 100% with the whole speed meta lmao.
I think it’s pretty safe to say that Snakeman got blitzed by the FTL kick. Kizaru was seemingly KMs away...
How is it cope if I stated that Kizaru’s accelerated kick was FTL and that Gear 5 and characters similar in stats are also FTL in that very thread? 🤦🏽♂️
One of the fastest =/= the fastest. Luffy still has G5 which is a very noticeable power up, and there are still quite a few characters who could to or above Kizaru (Shanks, Mohawk, Dragon, Imu, Gorosei, etc) depending on their future feats.
This user violated the site rules on this thread. He specifically broke the "everybody who visits this wiki strictly to ... or try to dismantle our tiering system, will be permanently banned from our community" part of the Be Respectful section.
I posted proof for this on that specific thread...
I know this comment is very late, but there's no reason for this thread to still be open. @Valrhavn is known to have a FT (well, Mashima in general tbh) hateboner on ComicVine, though he uses the name MirioTogata on that website. Y'all caught on to his bias but here's some proof:
1) Constant...
Disagreeing with certain parts of the scaling doesn’t automatically make people wrong. This chapter cleared a lot of things up for the speed scaling, so it makes sense that there’ll be a lot of discussion.
The only time Kizaru could be argued to have explicitly traveled FTL is when he used his...
I could at best see Kizaru being FTL when using accelerated attacks, but everything else he’s LS, and as you said this is something explicitly stated by Oda himself multiple times.
That doesn’t disprove what I said, I quite literally said that his max speed is LS.
Also my guy, if he’s confirmed to be LS by Oda in combat and travel speed, why would you contradict his word and put him at FTL?
So is his travel speed, and we have explicit feats of it outspeeding Snakeman’s point blank attack and perception blitzing Luffy to a considerable extent. I’m not exaggerating when I said that Kizaru’s fight will literally make or break OP speed scaling.
You can’t disagree to address these...
You’re ignoring the first panel of the first scan you posted where Luffy was still looking at Kizaru’s previous position despite him being long gone, as well as the previous page when Snakeman’s point blank attack failed to hit Kizaru.
Kizaru was hundreds of meters to potentially a few KMs away...
It seems that there’s gonna a never ending debate about the scan where Kizaru accelerates since some would say that you could argue either side 50/50. There are only 2 options: Kizaru traveled at LS or faster. IMO, obviously feel free to disagree, the best way to go around this is to look at the...
I thought the main consensus in every battle forum, including vsbattles, was that Kizaru’s fight is going to make or break the OP speed meta? Obviously this chapter is going to have a huge impact on the scaling.
In case y’all didn’t see the rough translation:
Chapter 118 - the collapsed labyrinth
Doguramag: impossible! Me, defeated by humans
Natsu: you will... know it if... you just... look... above... i mean, both humans and dragons being alive... it hasnt changed... having friends or parents, no...
I don't know, Zeref seemed very confident in chapter 465 about it killing him. The parent dragons also literally called themselves dead and that they were separated from their soul. It's all too vague imo.
I'm not basing it on Natsu's thought process, im basing it on Zeref's. In chapter 465 he was completely confident that it would've worked so I don't see why we should deny it? Zeref wasn't needed to open the gates because they had celestial spirit mages.
My guy, the dragons straight up said...
That was 400 years ago, he likely didn't know that the power of the dead worked back then, or you could argue that in case the Heartfilias couldn't open the door for some reason, Zeref would be the only other person who could. How does it being a one time power up for Natsu make it less...
Zeref had studied his curse for 400 years so I would put his word above anyone else's. The fact that Igneel could even tank and match dragon Acnologia's blows in the first place show's he's far above anyone in the verse who isn't a dragon god tier character and this puts him way above Zeref...
A tiny sliver of his magic was going to kill Zeref (or at least get him very close to death) had Happy not pulled Natsu away. Half dead Igneel was matching dragon Acnologia's blows and even ripped off his one of his arms without using any magic. His stats eclipse Zeref, the only thing he needs...
Only reason Aldoron would've died over time is because how big he was, not because his scales are resistant to Zeref's magic (we actually saw the opposite). Zeref's death hax would affected Igneel even worse since Igneel's such a small target compared to Aldo, and would probably get one shot. I...
So this was apparently in the physical copy of FT 100 YQ Volume 11:
https://i m g b b .com/0XWNLvd
I used google translate from French to English and this is what I got:
"If we total the volumes published with the main story, we arrive at 74 volumes. I try to avoid character power inflation...