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  1. Jugger47

    Overlord Soul Manipulation Resistance

    I apologize as I know I'm commenting in succession alot but I'm going to be off for a few days as I am going to the hospital for an operation in a few hours, so I'm trying to respond to as many as you as I can, sadly this will be the last one now for some days. Will be intresting to see where...
  2. Jugger47

    Overlord Soul Manipulation Resistance

    Somebody said before that Demiurges overestimation of Ainz intelligence would make anything from him very unreliable. They were right. I don't see how that thing on him ever being able to defeat Ainz is even possible now. So it probably doesn't even exist in reality, thats nipped in the bud. If...
  3. Jugger47

    Overlord Soul Manipulation Resistance

    I found something supporting the opposite there..... There was only one person that Demiurge could not defeat — in other words, there was only one opponent against whom Demiurge could not prepare enough to assure his own victory. That person possessed intellect which surpassed his, schemes...
  4. Jugger47

    Overlord Soul Manipulation Resistance

    Also the statement on Touch me being able to defeat all guardians at once is from a Q/A interview. Don't know where though now, couldn't find it when I was looking for the power rankings list Q/A. Couldn't find the original power rankings list either, had to get a copy from a subreddit its...
  5. Jugger47

    Overlord Soul Manipulation Resistance

    Are you supposing that soul destroying spells were a thing in Ygdrassil the game? I've never heard of anything like this at all. And I'd like to see any proof if so. Until then it seems more reasonable to assume that it wasn't until atleast hinted at. After all, changes like Wish Upon a Star...
  6. Jugger47

    Overlord Soul Manipulation Resistance

    Your reluctance to answer this question at all is really telling to me at this point, it tells me you are thinking "I don't want to say Ainz gets insta killed by demiurge because I know that sounds ridiculous" We are already past where you are at right now. Anyways I'm just going to search for...
  7. Jugger47

    Overlord Soul Manipulation Resistance

    Wait, what are you talking about? Again, do you think Demiurge could just vaporize Ainz with hellfire? Also if so, you would be the only one here saying that so far. We are arguing on the reasons for resistance not for the existence of said resistance, the majority of us agree he has one...
  8. Jugger47

    Overlord Soul Manipulation Resistance

    Also Demiurge is literally called the Weakest Guardian by WoG. Demiurge being able to one shot any of the guardians is just so, so wrong. Especially since this would be be insanely convenient vs Shalltear when apparently Ainz only had the option of sending himself or nearly all of the floor...
  9. Jugger47

    Overlord Soul Manipulation Resistance

    Demiurge being able to just one shot Ainz would be absolutely hilarious but incredibly unlikely. I'll try looking for it but I have no idea where to start so may take a while.
  10. Jugger47

    Overlord Soul Manipulation Resistance

    Thats all sound reasoning and I agree. Honestly, both sides can be argued. I think giving both as the reasoning is the only solution at this point.
  11. Jugger47

    Overlord Soul Manipulation Resistance

    Also you still haven't really answered the question. Do you think Demiurge can incinerate Ainz's soul? If its a no, Ainz has a resistance to soul manipulation, plain and simple. In verse and on site.
  12. Jugger47

    Overlord Soul Manipulation Resistance

    And I'm talking about the verse, Overlord. Demiurge can destroy souls with hellfire, unless you are trying to say Demiurge can just one shot Ainz into oblivion, Ainz must have soul manipulation resistance(in verse and on site) so he doesn't.
  13. Jugger47

    Overlord Soul Manipulation Resistance

    Of course, I can't imagine a soul destroying ability in a game. EDIT: Shit, this sounds like Im being saracastic, but im not, noticing the possible sarcasm made me realise it could be. And just translated into real world soul damage. Who knows though? It doesn't really matter here though.
  14. Jugger47

    Overlord Soul Manipulation Resistance

    Im going to ask. So you think demiurge should be able to one shot kill Ainz with hellfire? Or that its even a possibility?
  15. Jugger47

    Overlord Soul Manipulation Resistance

    Again, these comparisons are really quite bad. And I've already gave my explanation on this above. It used to be a video game, high level players had resistances to the haxs they could do, because obviously it wouldn't be a game if you would just die from a single Grasp Heart despite being a...
  16. Jugger47

    Ainz vs Zeref

    So in your opinion Ainz is going to just stand there and let a target who just resisted GH hit him...Completely wrong.... This has happened before on a beast-kin. He instantly went into serious mode and reality slashed her. From the wiki as I cannot be bothered to find quotes right now...
  17. Jugger47

    Overlord Soul Manipulation Resistance

    "Resistance to Soul Manipulation (Must be able to resist Hellfire from Demiurge as Ainz is stronger than Demiurge and would be able to defeat him as stated by Word of God, but would still take chip soul damage)" Does spirit equal soul damage here? I have no idea. Also I'm not really sure I...
  18. Jugger47

    Overlord Soul Manipulation Resistance

    XD We are all for hellfire though.
  19. Jugger47

    Overlord Soul Manipulation Resistance

    Too bad Dargoo seems to be off right now. And I have no friends Insert Sad Face so I don't know anybody to message over here. So unless somebody else changes or someone else comes I don't think this is going to be conclusive for a bit. So I'll sleep be back tomorrow.
  20. Jugger47

    Overlord Soul Manipulation Resistance

    This has become a little confusing so I'll sort of tally. For Soul Eater reasons: 2 DragonEmperor23(?), AnonymousBlank For Demiurge reasons: 3 FDrybob, Apeironaxim, OpMasada(?) Both: 1 DeathNoodles
  21. Jugger47

    Overlord Soul Manipulation Resistance

    We are talking about characters from Ygradassil, as in Demiurge is a level 100 NPC from the same game Ainz came from. Not characters on vsbattle lol. So that logic wouldn't apply to them at all.
  22. Jugger47

    Overlord Soul Manipulation Resistance

    "Resistance to Soul Manipulation (Must be able to resist Hellfire from Demiurge as Ainz is stronger than Demiurge and would be able to defeat him as stated by Word of God, also resists the soul manipulation abilities of Soul Eaters)" This is with both reasons, that sound good? Please help if...
  23. Jugger47

    Overlord Soul Manipulation Resistance

    Instant death spells means instant death resistances Time spells mean time spell resistances Spells that just vaporize the soul mean resistances to such spells. It may have been a broken ass game with broken ass mechanics but we are talking about a regular spell, Hellfire. Not a world item.
  24. Jugger47

    Overlord Soul Manipulation Resistance

    That is a really bad comparison to be honest. This is how it works in Overlord. Players and level 100 npcs get resistances to many of the haxs abilities that players could do, otherwise how would you pvp at all? Thats all there is to it.
  25. Jugger47

    Overlord Soul Manipulation Resistance

    So you think hellfire from Demiurge would work on Ainz?
  26. Jugger47

    Overlord Soul Manipulation Resistance

    I was going to say the same thing before but it seems like Anon and Dragon don't agree with the Demiurge reasoning straight up. Im not sure though, do you guys totally disagree with it? Or think its just weaker? @DragonEmperor23 and AnonymousBlank
  27. Jugger47

    Overlord Soul Manipulation Resistance

    One thing though does anybody here think that Demiurges Hellfire would instantly kill Ainz? I want to get that out of the way.
  28. Jugger47

    Overlord Soul Manipulation Resistance

    We just need to come to a conclusion now. As I said Im fine with either so i'll go with whatever is the majority opinion.
  29. Jugger47

    Overlord Soul Manipulation Resistance

    @FDrybob I remember something like that too(Which is why I said that) lol don't know where though.
  30. Jugger47

    Overlord Soul Manipulation Resistance

    Now that is a good point.
  31. Jugger47

    Overlord Soul Manipulation Resistance

    If you are trying to say the weakest Floor Guardia as even stated by the Author could beat Ainz when Shalltear is straight up stated to be able to beat every other floor guardian 1v1 I don't agree with you in the slightest. And im talking about a fight with no prep time, otherwise who knows what...
  32. Jugger47

    Overlord Soul Manipulation Resistance

    Because in an actual fight Demiurge knows all of this and more and TGOALID takes 12 seconds to use. Hellfire is near instant. Ainz has to be resistant to soul manip otherwise Demi just kills everyone instantly which makes no sense at all, just because of that, so it sounds more strong of a...
  33. Jugger47

    Ainz vs Zeref

    CRT here Its already accepted by 4 people.
  34. Jugger47

    Overlord Soul Manipulation Resistance

    "Resistance to Soul Manipulation (Must be able to resist Hellfire from Demiurge as Ainz is stronger than Demiurge and would be able to defeat him as stated by Word of God)" Something like that sound good? If somebody could find the original translation of the Q/A it would be appreciated. I...
  35. Jugger47

    Overlord General Discussion Mk.II

    I have no idea, it could just be something I personally don't know though. I would love to know whats thats from.
  36. Jugger47

    Overlord Soul Manipulation Resistance

    One thing Soul eater death manipulation works through soul manipulation and Ainz death manipulation resistance still works against that which means its inherently also soul manipulation resistance too, thats my point on this. My apologies as I find this hard to explain well. I do still agree...
  37. Jugger47

    Overlord Soul Manipulation Resistance

    I agree with that.
  38. Jugger47

    Overlord Soul Manipulation Resistance

    Its instant death that works through soul manipulation, I gave Zeref as an example. Which works by removing the targets soul. In this case the soul eater consumes it.
  39. Jugger47

    Overlord Soul Manipulation Resistance

    @Apeironaxim Both through living and corpses. And even if that was the case Ainz is a walking corpse and it doesnt work on him.
  40. Jugger47

    Overlord General Discussion Mk.II

    Yes, I don't think PA can copy TGOALID either. Special Class skills are not able to be copied by doppelgangers. Also please give input on the CRT I made here. https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2404128#3
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