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  1. Lasting900

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    My understanding is crude, but is that what happens when Seraph reaches Nirvana? Realizing how everything was once one, and in essence, everyone is connected. Stephen makes a comment about how humanity has the potential to surpass the axiom, and yet the axiom is the collective (subconscious?)...
  2. Lasting900

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    Will there be another upcoming major thread that commoners can join soon? Or are we just waiting for new changes to be settled before any new major discussions open up? 🤔
  3. Lasting900

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    Is there a bullet point list of all the ways Tier 0 can be achieved?
  4. Lasting900

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    What is the next thread topic?
  5. Lasting900

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    So, there can only be one Tier (0) and one Tier (High 1-A +) per “series” on this website, given that each series has the necessary context to justify characters having these tiers?
  6. Lasting900

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    Why wasn’t SMT already tier High 1-A if the Atziluth is “Fundamentally beyond the concept of higher dimensions”? (From what I briefly understand, it was a matter of how it was described?)
  7. Lasting900

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    Doesn’t the existence of other celestial - sapiens automatically prevent Alien X from ever reaching Tier 0 if Monad is accepted as the determining factor?
  8. Lasting900

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    In SMT, when Seraph reaches Nirvana and realizes the world (the axiom) is me and I’m the world? Is this not monadic (enlightenment?) Their original forms, Serph and Sera, are reincarnated. But Seraph, escapes the cycle. (Would this not at least be 1 tier above 1-A?) High 1-A? And...
  9. Lasting900

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    Is the Axiom High 1-A (in SMT)?
  10. Lasting900

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    Tier 0 does not have any modifiers like Tier 0 + (or high and low) due to the nature of the tier itself right?
  11. Lasting900

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    Can there be multiple Tier 0 (s) if they all just aspects of the one being?
  12. Lasting900

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    This reminded of a previous question I had… Forgive me if I fudge this somewhat. When Seraph reaches “Nirvana” at the end of SMT DDS AT 2? Since “I am the World and the World is me?” Does this not confer tier 0? If the axiom is the highest entity, but everyone else is also the axiom itself...
  13. Lasting900

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    Will a NEW THREAD be opened for commoners? Discussing: Tiering System Revisions: Tier 0 or will comments continue to be posted here? (Asking before this thread gets even more lengthy to follow)
  14. Lasting900

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    In DDS, the junkyard. Is that R>F transcendence? They were only able to leave after gaining an ego through the Atma virus? But originally they were just AI?
  15. Lasting900

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    Forgive me if I fudge this somewhat. When Seraph reaches “Nirvana” at the end of DDS? Since “I am the World and the World is me?” Does this not confer tier 0? If the axiom is the highest entity, but everyone else is also the axiom itself? Do they “cancel” each other out? From my brief...
  16. Lasting900

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    Thats probably where the revision will be able to discuss these items in length. I understand there’s a discussion in the works?
  17. Lasting900

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    In general, is High 1-A (+) also a thing? I thought [+] modifier could only be added in Tier 1-A. But maybe that’s just my misunderstanding.
  18. Lasting900

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    Does that mean other characters will be High 1-A?
  19. Lasting900

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    Will SMT be affected in any way by these changes?
  20. Lasting900

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    Is Truth in FMA/FMAB Tier 0 because Monad?
  21. Lasting900

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    Why doesn’t SMT have High 1-A Tier? (And does “+” and “low” even exist in those upper echelons? High 1-A+ and Low 0?) - I thought, or understood, given the nature of these tiers those “modifiers” are redundant?
  22. Lasting900

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    Since this is going to impact everything due to the nature of the revision taking place? (Still 1-A…Not celebrating or crying) I can live with that for now.
  23. Lasting900

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    IF Ultima’s revision is accepted. How will this affect SMT Verse? Personally, a lot of this went over my head and I’m still trying to grasp certain ideas. So, with my current understanding, I would like know if possible. (Whether I should celebrate or go cry for a while)
  24. Lasting900

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    Would tier 0 fights have to rely on the respective cosmology of the competing verses?
  25. Lasting900

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    That’s the thing that is confusing to me. If everything comes from the collective unconscious but also is the collective unconscious. Aren’t they one and the same? I am thou and thou art I. I don’t know if Monad fits but given the reincarnation cycle of information is like saying the same idea...
  26. Lasting900

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    Wow. Guess I’m patiently waiting for MT to finally earn their Tier 0 status. What are the biggest barriers to this conclusion, besides this thread’s topic currently for us commoners?
  27. Lasting900

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    You’re saying these are potential pieces of evidence for Tier 0 IF “logical omnipotence” is accepted as a valid pathway for Tier 0 status?
  28. Lasting900

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    Which novels?
  29. Lasting900

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    In SMT, and by extension Persona, is the Collective Unconscious kinda like Truth from FMA/FMAB? If the All is One and One is All understanding is similar to I am thou, thou art I given the Mental Nature of the verse...Would that grant Megami Tensei tier 0 status under the understanding of Monad...
  30. Lasting900

    My own understanding of this idea or concept is quite limited, so forgive anything wrong I might...

    My own understanding of this idea or concept is quite limited, so forgive anything wrong I might say. But for SMT, the cosmology (Kabbalah), does it have anything to do with or inspired by Cosmometry, Sacred Geometry or Holo-fractals? Anything that might provide more empirical evidence for an...
  31. Lasting900

    Extra-versal?

    What is “Extra-Versal”? How is it different from Boundless?
  32. Lasting900

    (lasting900#4934) for Discord if permission granted?

    (lasting900#4934) for Discord if permission granted?
  33. Lasting900

    Can anyone join? I don’t know if I would be able to stay at the same consistent level as...

    Can anyone join? I don’t know if I would be able to stay at the same consistent level as everyone else when it comes to these impressive power scaling debates. But I really like the series a lot! do you always have to contribute towards discussion goals? Sometimes I feel like just offering a...
  34. Lasting900

    Hi, I recently made an account on VSBW and I had no idea that a HUGE revision for SMT was taking...

    Hi, I recently made an account on VSBW and I had no idea that a HUGE revision for SMT was taking place, let alone on Discord, and like a dork I asked questions before reading your post regarding no specific type of questions were being answered at this time about SMT until this revision has...
  35. Lasting900

    I don’t know if this even helps or applies to the Negative Theology discussion, since I have a...

    I don’t know if this even helps or applies to the Negative Theology discussion, since I have a somewhat vague understanding of these ideas. Or even if this method to define a tier is still being considered? But Yahweh the Lord King Father, God the Father | ELOHIM YHVH (Sometimes spelled as...
  36. Lasting900

    Nyx (Persona) vs Axiom/Great Reason (SMT) - Not a matchup!

    BUMP - (Should this be moved to a different forum: General Discussion?)
  37. Lasting900

    Nyx (Persona) vs Axiom/Great Reason (SMT) - Not a matchup!

    Thanks! But I also understand that the individuals who went over the SMT & Persona Profiles on this site combined the two "game entries" to explain the connection between Personas, Demons, Etc. The Club Book doesn't directly explain how mainline SMT is impacted by NYX to my understanding...
  38. Lasting900

    Nyx (Persona) vs Axiom/Great Reason (SMT) - Not a matchup!

    Forgive me for anything that I might misinterpret since I'm relatively new, so I may use descriptions that are maybe not completely accurate, regardless I would appreciate an explanation if possible. Is Nyx (Persona 3) a "being" that exists "outside" (The Amala Multiverse?) and Is the...
  39. Lasting900

    Persona Scaling Chain

    Shouldn't the main character from P1 also be at least Low 2-C? Especially since in one route he fought the Night Queen which was confirmed to be Nyx in P3?
  40. Lasting900

    Joker (Persona) vs Optimus Prime (IDW)

    Who will win? 2-C Fight...
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