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I would be in support of Thanos scaling to Skyfathers honestly. Like he's fought pretty well against Odin and Odinforce Thor, and could protect himself from attacks by Galactus and Omega (although he is explicitly not comparable to them). But yeah, Ultron definitely not. He's also stated to be...
So, does Phoenix Force scale above Uni Eternity with those High 1-A feats? Abstract scaling feels weird to me since there are so many feats of characters that logically should be well below Uni Abstracts doing things on a Multiversal scale, like the feats I've collected in this thread.
Basically, when Atlas lifts the Heavens, he is linked to the Axis Mundi, which is the Greek incarnation of Yggdrasil. Yggdrasil is just the Norse form of a structure that takes a different form for all beliefs. So I think that when Hercules takes Atlas' burden of lifting the Heavens, it would...
What topics are there to be discussed? Basically, my current proposals are:
Make Yggdrasil scale to 1-A for encompassing all realities, which is supported by some other statements for Skyfather tiers
Make Skyfathers scale to this from Odin and Atlas, all characters currently recognized as...
How will we handle characters potentially scaling to 4-A? Like every member of the Gotei 13 is pretty explicitly below unsealed Senjumaru and True Shikai Ichigo, so it seems weird for Renji of all people to potentially scale to that level via this Uryu fight.
What wording would you prefer for 1-A? I just really don't think "at peak" should be used for High 3-A, but I agree that it presents a problem for characters who theoretically scale to peak Thor. Like personally I wouldn't have a problem with Thanos scaling to Skyfather level anyway but I won't...
I would appreciate any thoughts on this thread if you haven't already: https://vsbattles.com/threads/marvel-big-yggdrasil-downgrade-skyfather-upgrades-and-thor-revisions.171959/
Celestials and Abstracts would just upscale from them. I think that there are enough feats and statements of affecting the Multiverse from characters solidly below Eternity that there has to be some way to make that scaling work.
What part do you disagree with? Yggdrasil and Skyfathers being...
Might've found another feat for scaling to Yggdrasil. We currently accept Hercules lifting the heavens as a High 3-A feat, but I think it would actually be whatever tier Yggdrasil is. The heavens that Atlas and Hercules lift is the Axis Mundi, which are stated to just be the Greek form of Yggdrasil.
I think High 1-B, likely 1-A would be a fine compromise, but if possible I'd like to avoid that. Partially because I really do think 1-A is solid enough to warrant a flat rating, but also because having too many tiers in one key is really ugly.
Like if my changes go through, that would leave...
Do you think they are good supporting feats for the above three?
I just figured that to mean with prep or something. But if you think that Phoenix shouldn't be used for 1-A in the fist place then that is fine.
Yggdrasil is connected to every timeline across the Multiverse
When the Enchantress poisoned Yggdrasil, Thor said it threatened all realities
Mephisto and Hela fighting would have caused Omniversal Armageddon
Guidebook says Odin and others can destroy and recreate the Multiverse
Odin's fight...
So I guess its High 1-B if it just scales to Earth-616 then? What about scaling to all realities in the Multiverse? I know @ProfectusInfinity disagrees with this idea, but I feel like its fairly consistent that characters on this tier can do that.
What does 616 scale to without looking into Eternity, after your CRT was just passed? We know that Yggdrasil scales at least to every realm, so if there is a 1-A realm, shouldn't it scale to 1-A even if it doesn't scale to Uni Eternity M-Bodies?