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(goes on rant about "Well, since all powers are actively derived from the Will, in particular the Tiphareth, all effects it generates are subconscious exertions of Will over time rather than simply passive")
Okay, so as to not be pedantic and dumb, for the sake of argument let's go with "Yes...
To repeat the vs. Taiga thread, again:
What answer does Jay have, if any, to Mid-Godly Soulsborne-esque Regen? That's kind of a prerequisite in any key to meaningfully fight Zain without it being a stomp, unless you arbitrarily apply some max. number of "Lives" or else count on...
Sorry, kind of been disinterested in Vs Debates for a while, now, particularly in Zain's. Why that is-
Well, let me address the glaring Elephant in the Room, so to speak. Say that this Aura does work as intended, as does anything else Taiga typically resorts to. Does she... have any kind of...
...welp, this is happening
Enjoy y'all's Tier 1 War, I'm just going to hide in High 1-C with all the chill Digimon/Gurren Lagann/Dr. Who/To Aru fans I guess
...how do Ark Weapons define "Regenerationn" and "external means", I feel I should ask? That seems like a really finicky/arbitrary distinction if it's not pinned down properly
...to what degree? Because like,
It's kind of a big deal that nothing in the ordinary verse can just up and shut off the Tiphareth, being of a higher Sephira than the Paroketh and all that jazz. It took more or less 8-D BFR to manage it in canon, and even that was undone eventually.
The Lovers: Zain's most complicated and versatile unique Armiger Skill, awakened in the same moment as his Inner Truth: via its activation, Zain bridges the gap between himself and his target, joining together as one. What this entails is variable, and largely dependent on the context at hand...
In pretty much all cases, in Acts I - IV, just using some basic Offensive Spell- or Admixture to combine two of them- and stacking it with Blade Metamagic to attach it to all weapon attacks instead and Chrono Metamagic to steal time from enemies that take (or simply trade blows with) the weapon...
If he downscales so little that he has "Island level+" outright- not even a "Island level to Island level+"- shouldn't that be the justification linked to his AP? (And, also, that requires the assumption that at his peak is at an absolute minimum like 52.15 Gigatons or so)
Anyways, Zain scales...
I forget the exact number, but it should be linked.
What is the measurement for Ryn's AP contingent on? Is it just assumed to be the lowest-balled possible, in absence of a "to Island level+" indicator?, or is there something else at work? I clicked on the link to his "Island level+"...
Well, alright, time to get to this!
...(begins to read Ryn's page)
Oh. Well uh
Right. What's a Ryn do? And, what's his general mentality, strategies, etc.? Because this page is stupidly massive and I don't even know where to start really
...I don't know if that even becomes relevant, then, at least based on how you phrased it. The complete Daathe makes him essentially a transdual existence that disregards the distinction between natural/supernatural, and fiction/reality. So...
Yeah, I guess it works on him in the sense that he...
If all you're measuring is the sheer capacity of one's suffering, I may be inclined to give it to Mebius, but if sheer capacity is all you're measuring, you might as well just make it a tier list, since characters that can experience more planes or aspects of reality at a time automatically...
...ah
That does change things
In that case, Deku for aforementioned reasons (aforementioned well-roundedness and likely a type advantage when translated to Pokemon.)
You know, I want to vote Midoriya, both on account of probably being more well-rounded skill-wise and on the sneaking suspicion that, translated to Pokemon, the vast majority of Deku's special moves would qualify as Fighting-type, Lopunny's main Weakness (note that Fighting-type moves are...
Best I can tell, for now, the scaling would look something like-
E Rank STR: Class 5
D Rank STR: Class 5, possibly higher
C Rank STR: Class 50
B Rank STR: Class K
A Rank STR: Class K, possibly higher
EX Rank STR: Class K, possibly (or likely?) higher
Out of curiosity, wouldn't...
I'm not sure about the thread itself, but here is the calculation.
(Also, yes, that's more or less what I was digging at, by 'arbitrary'; the one-shot threshold, I mean.)
One last thing to observe-
This Translation of the Christmas 2018 Grand Order event illustrates that Caster/Anastasia, who...
Well, Gawain is apparently only just shy of Lancer/Artoria herself: Island level+ (50 - 99.99 Gigatons), in other words: while his stats are tripled with Numeral of the Saint, which implies that, without it, Servants directly comparable to Gawain (say, Saber/Artoria) would be 16.67 - 33.33...
A thing, of note: the way Parameters supposedly work, in Fate, is such that a "+" denotes no actual baseline improvement over the general performance of the base rank. Rather, it simply allows for the temporary doubling of that Parameter's capabilities: a burst of energy, of sorts. Even if we...
Keeping this short, and to the point: as is, the Lifting Strength of Servants, on our Nasuverse/Fate pages, is somewhat lacking, essentially scaling everyone to the same Class 25 feat that Saber performed in Fate/Zero.
In accordance with this calculatio (at least, assuming no objections arise...
What exactly is the nature of a scalar concept, as used here? And why isn't being higher-Dimensional relevant in bypassing it in any capacity? Just so it's clear-
Okay, so the match starts off in melee, since Zain's opening move up until Act V, as has been established by now, is to jump into melee w Teleportation and activate Fire, w Blade and Chrono Metamagic, and go to town stealing the target's speed over time with each hit. Things to establish:
One...
Because I desire pain.
Absorbed True Valor's Power!Odiosis is presumed High 1-C here, Ascended Warrior!Ruby Rose (Cyverse) with Blue Perfect Haken x20 is being used. Otherwise, SBA are in effect, as you do.
Who wins? State your reasoning, etc.