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I said '600k'+ as a "conservative" estimate (10k was being close to King Vegeta so I thought 12k base was a safe bet) as I honestly think he should be around 700k in SSJ but just assuming what kind of zenkai boost was Bardock gonna get from almost dying to Frieza is just headcanon so I'll drop...
Wait to what value do each of them scale?
(In wikia anyways because by general PLs Bardock as of EoB should be >> 10k bc near death zenkai so if he at least reaches 600k+ he has a comfortable AP advantage inside the same verse you don't need an outrageous AP gap to stomp your opponent).
Frieza...
Long story short; Frieza won his encounter with Goku on Namek and sometime later goes to Earth just to finish the job, thing is that someone else did it for him. the two have a small conversation and engage in a fight to see who's actually the greatest in the universe. Cooler for some reason was...
MFTL+ at any point still finite tho, so the time limit doesn't invalidate anything.
Infinite to Immeasurable means you are ending ur fights as fast if not faster than instantly. Even if ur fighting someone relative to u in power that shouldn't be a problem as no time is passing at all.
Shittttt I honestly forgot half of these statements π
Gimme a lil bit of time I'll elaborate a response to this when I can.
Also did Vegeta just diagnose Kibito with a skill issueπ
Not that I agree with downscaling, but if it results into Cell becoming Universal via obvious upscaling from Base Goku then the statements could be used as supporting evidence at least.
Dabura's scaling has always confused me so wheter hes SSJ or SSJ2 tier is up for ppl here to decide.
I'll just note that the fact he thought he could easily beat any SSJ(1) and was compared to Cell is enough of an accolade to make him at least just above the SSJs. On Perfect Cells tier.
(1)...
My suggestion is to drop all the Other World Tournament scaling altogether, because it doesn't make any sense to what was presented later in the Buu Saga.
βSSJ2 Adult Gohan was registered in Kilis to be far, far stronger than SSJ Goku showed in Babidis Ship. Yet we rate Base Goku to be...
You know, yall can do what you want with the High 3-A ratings as I dont think wed ever get to agree on that topic.
My point with the SSJ2s and Pikkon scaling still stands though.
Because theres no feats from the weaker forms that scale them to High 3-A so you cant suddenly jump from 3-C to the highest bound of tier 3 like that. Its not argument of incredulity it giving a rating to a character in all their forms when only their strongest form can do said thing.
The gap...
IIRC The wikia uses multipliers to upscale from X feat to an higher rating if they are close enough to the next feat
I don't ever remember multipliers ever being used to downscale weaker forms from a feat performed by an far stronger power up. Especially when theres literally like 2 or 3 one...
X scales above 4-A/3-C feats, but their strongest transformation can casually perform a High 3-A feat. X himself doesn't have High 3-A feats so he shouldn't scale because he can't perform High 3-A feats without said power up.
1/400th is a extremely big gap to even downscale like that. Its a lot...
Vegeta only says Goku became stronger than Kid Gohan once he saw him SSJ2. still a benchmark.
Piccolo ALSO couldn't tell if Majin Vegeta was stronger than Gohan was back at Cell Games.
Not really headcanon when the narrative implies as such
Lemme find Dabura and SSJ2 Adult Gohan statements...
You are giving a High 3-A rating to someone who has no feats to scale to such rating, thats a faulty use of multipliers.
Id understand if Base Goku was like, 1/2 of his SSJ3 form.
Back then we had Low 2-C Blueku via scaling above Infinite Zamasu YEEEET his SSG stayed 3-A despite being 1/50th...
bump, changed this to Adventure Era Heroes and gave them some equipment.
This should be fair now.
yep, Im doing Super Hero SSJ trio vs Super Hedgehogs next I think the Saiyans still hold MASSIVE ap advantages if their universe scalings are similar so it makes up ig
ye I am voting Goku FRA if this isn't a stomp hes far better at fighting + more durable and if fight gets long for some reason he aint getting any heart attack (way better stamina).
How much of a better fighter Goku is than A Train here? A Train is very likely to abuse the movement speed advantage he has over Goku. I refrain from voting yet.
(Goku likely has a stamina + dura advantage too).
The problem is that Buu Saga completely contradicts the motion of Goku becoming ~100x stronger than CG Gohan form by form.
Hell, Buu Saga based on the Kili thing still implies Buu Saga SSJ2 Gohan > Buu Saga SSJ Goku.
And guess what, CG Gohan > 25 WMAT Gohan
Then two statements of CG Gohan...
its actually simple
I suggest Base to SSJ2 get downgraded to scale above Gohan form by form (3-C) and keep High 3-A for SSJ3 as the scaling actually goes from there
Vegeta could get an High 3-A rating via final explosion, and the weaker Buus can keep it too.
Pikkons feat vs Cell should be...
Sonic
Tails
Knuckles
vs.
Bergamo
Lavender
Basil
Team Sonic is in their 4-A adventure era keys start off with 20 rings, blockite and a chaos emerald each. Sonic and Tails get Magic Hands.
Trio de Dangers are at their Universe Survival Saga keys(2-C).
Speed is equalized, and fight takes place...
basil (dragon ball)
bergamo
dragon ball
knuckles the echidna (game)
lavender
sonic the hedgehog
sonic the hedgehog (adventure)
sonic the hedgehog (main continuity)
tails (game)