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You didn`t you just made distraction fallacies, strawman and irrelevant conclusion... And some ad hominem too.
You didn`t debunked the fact that those stories are not really above time by feats.
Yes, if we get serious about it , a character that is trully beyond the concept of time shouldn`t be making decitions on chronological orders at all, or it should be subject to change, etc... Which is what happpens with hadou gods and most 1-A.. Some writters take this seriously so they make...
Nobody has refuted that Hadou gods, and stuff are not above concept of time by feats since they still behave in chronological orders, hence they still are subject to change, and by this reason is that is possible to make "change stomp" like Tenma Yato hax... But then you did come with your very...
Well, they come with a very kind semantical lesson about Ren time stop not being really a time stop, but is stop "change" so there is change in the throne? so the throne is not above the concept of time.. But wait, the statements say otherwise, but wait, the feats show that Hadou gods aren`t...
Again, i don`t have problems with it, the way an author develops a narrative and makes money has nothing to do with fiction debates. Again there are characters that by feats they trascend time and space, mythos character for example. Others don`t . What we should do about it? i dont know. All...
I didn`t never say things shouldn`t be that way. What i said? that by feats most 1-A characters are not above the concept of time, it is true? yes.. So what`s the matter?. There is no problem with it at all, if a writter wants to make a character above the concept of time from all perspectives i...
The evidence are the statements from the verse, but the feats say otherwise as all those characters work on chronological orders, most 1-A characters aren`t above the concept of time by feats, as i said. what i am going to do about it? nothing, this is just fiction and i don`t take it that...
Look, Taikyoku is not Descartes omnipotence, is not an excuse to do bad writting. I understand that Taikyoku affects all existence, but it is not an excuse for doing bullshit like timestop in a place devoid of all forms of time, this in on the level of Descartes omnipotence paradox.
Nothing at all, probably we should just stop taking claims of being above the concept of time as serious. By feats most 1-A characters are NOT above the concept of time.
That`s nice.. But i dont get what your point is. I mean, in this thread i only talking about stopping time in a place above the concept of time or devoid of time in any conception. Is just bullshit. The examples you mention are not.
It is just PIS, stopping time in a place without time just implies that there in fact was a form of time in such place (altho probably very subtle)... I think the problem lies within the fact that Masada verse is held in such a high steem from the community, so we pass on this bullshit.
Again, we can. In fact that`s why we don`t accept the claims of omnipotence or why we just ignore Suggverse "beyond para omnipotence" bullshit. Is because is ridiculous, the same with "Timestop in a place above the concept of time". Totally ridiculous.
Even when this is fiction we are always trying to explain the capabilities and abilities of those characters in a logical way in order to engage in debate. We don`t use concepts such as "omnipotence" for being impossible to prove.. But then we pass on such bullshit as timestop in a place beyond...
You can`t have characters in fiction being above the concept of time (except maybe those tier 0 that never appear) because narratives work in a chronological order, this is very true guys, and it seems like a contradiction.
It is also pretty interesting that you only created that account in order to publish in this topic. So you are the backup account of who? Dreaming Serpent maybe?
Wrong....
First of all you didn`t argument, you just said a random opinion.
You need to understand what is meant by Buddha. in Theravada Buddha is an historical person that lived in india in 500BC. For mayahana things change, Buddha is equated with the emptiness and ultimate reality that...
The Dharmakaya is the body of the absolute of the Buddha, is the true buddha. And is also te equivalent of Brahman in Mahayana Buddhism. They practically the same, same attributes, same boundlesness, both are above all concepts, both are limitless, both are beyond speech and conception. Some...
I disagree with the statement that "Ain Soph" embodies different "Godheads". By definition a Godhead enmbodies everything so there you have it. Is like when people say shit like "Beyond omnipotent".
Now it is very interesting how all those concepts are similar between each other. Dharmakaya...
So many things wrong in a single paragraph
He is wrong in certain things but is right in others. The description for Tier 0 "boundless beyond all limitations and concepts" seems to be cracked from religious godheads. Such is the case of Ain Soph (Gnosticism), Brahman (hinduism) and Dharmakaya...
Did the verse use the actual Buddha from the religion it should be tier 0, the dharmakaya is a boundless unmanifested ultimate reality beyond concepts akin to Parabrahman and Ain Soph...
The consensus was that all religious content in Sun wukong´s pagewas going to me removed and hence he would...
You are so childrish warrent, is really funny!
1. of course power as the capabilitie to do something is limited by the knowledge of how to and the possibilitiy of knowing the existence of it. Power is limited by knowledge, therefore you can´t be fully omnipotent without being omniscient. But we...
"Here's a thread about The Law of Identity and in it, many admins agree that knowledge doesn't factor into being Omnipotent."
I dont care about that to be honest, is debatable and im still from the opinion that " Knowledge is power, and a being who is not omniscient could not be omnipotent. As...
1. "Nyarlathotep has infinite transcendence as isn't omniscient. So no, you are wrong. Being infinite levels of transcendence above 1-A doesn't make you omniscient. That's the dumbest thing, I've ever heard. Here's a thread about The Law of Identity and in it, many admins agree that knowledge...
This is too fun!
"You can't have a greater "type" of transcendence, you only have a higher "level" of transcendence."
Well of course you can have different types of trascendence. Just depending on the definitions you take for trascendence, if we take definition number 2: "Being beyond...
"Are you saying that a single level of transcendence is greater than Hajun?"
Not im not saying that, im saying: That statement would count as infinite trascendence between one cosmos and another, not just one level of trascendence.
1. Intelligence and knowledge is one of the facets of a being. A being that is infinite trascendental in every way is therefore omniscient.
And yes, some tier 0 are put there because the have no equal in the verse and are absolutly boundless in their respective verse, but by feats they could be...
Warrent, instead of saying "You are emotional, you are an hypocrite, you dont listen" please provide reasons of why trascendence is the same in all cases and why is necessary to be "incomprehensible" to effectively trascend something. Because lol, im sorry but 1 takyoku difference doesn´t make a...
"And what? Omniscience isn't even a requirement for Tier 0, let alone Tier 1-A."
Is already known that some Tier 1-A can be high 1-A from another verse or even tier 0. But this is not the point, the points is that Hajun is not infinitetly trascendental in all aspects, if he were, he practically...
1.
Yes i made and argument about the difference in trascendence between one verse an another and why just using the word "trascendence" doesn´t mean it´s equal in all cases.
As every step from each cosmos involves a incremental complexity from all aspects, it is a form of trascendence.
2...
"Yes, it implies transcendence, but only a single level of transcendence, not infinite levels. Each cosmos becomes more voluminous and more complex by an indeterminable amount, not an infinite amount. "
Well, if each cosmos would become infinitetly more complex and incomprehensible then we...
Well, this one is easy Warren.
"Less and less comprehensible =/= incomprehensible"
Yes. please read what i said.
"Again, no transcendence is "superior" other transcendence, that's not how that works. "
Then you should offer a counterargument instead of just affirming.
"And your point on...
As for the proof, with each cosmos being not just bigger but more complex in nature, in function and in totality it implies a form of trascendence, even if it´s not used the word.
Yes, what i really mean is that each cosmos is "less comprehensible" not "incomprehensible".
"That not how transcendence works. You can't have a "higher type" of transcendence, you can only have a higher level of transcendence" Look, my english is not very good but im going to try to explain my...