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They said the youkai brought along with Yasaka were those confident in their strength.
Besides, sometimes weaklings can matter in large numbers. A group of middle class beings working together can beat an inexperienced high class devil according to Shin DxD volume 1.
It does depend on the context.
What? That’s not the case at all. Is this a lack of reading comprehension?
The statement is that Cadres are stronger than Mirana. Mirana is broadly described as inferior to a Cadre. Cadres include Kokabiel, Azazel, Barakiel, Armaros, Penemune, etc. This simply means that all of these Cadres...
He has the exact same Pawn value as Yu Long under the same tournament rules, which is 5. The same as Ouryuu and one higher than Rossweisse (5).
I might actually need to make an extensive thread to address all of this in detail (class ranking, multipliers, Pawn values, debunking the Maou class...
The Yasaka statement was moreso a general statement of her power. Don’t think it takes into account the leylines, because iirc, Yasaka with the leylines briefly overpowered Yu Long.
Also, Yasaka fought the Bandersnatch with Kunou who can enhance her power.
Nah, I have only used canon statements but you people are basing everything on your fanon numbers using Boost multipliers, which are based off fanon calcs at that.
According to what I have seen today:
DxD Zero doesn’t mean anything.
Kokabiel is somehooow excluded from the statement that...
Shalba was at the level of the original Beelzebub and he was the leader of the Maou faction. That implies he’s stronger than Katerea, which adds up because Beelzebub is second behind Lucifer.
Heck, Azazel was about to use Balance Breaker against Cruzurey. He’s not stronger than any of them...
But I don’t think it even has a bearing on the discussion we’ve just had. For instance, nobody tried to scale Issei to middle-class because there’s exceptions to the rule.
I was trying to say CxC is Ultimate class because it was stated as such by Issei, Kuroka and Azazel to be Ultimate class in...
He said so, but I have no interest anymore. The scaling is just off.
Azazel can’t even be stronger than the original Maou, because he got overpowered by Katerea once she increased her power to the level of the original Leviathan. There’s many things wrong with the scaling values suggested imo...
The quote outright says Mirana’s attack is weaker than a Cadre, yet Kokabiel is conveniently much weaker than Mirana and the statement doesn’t apply to him? Damn.
How and why exactly is Kokabiel excluded from this? He has somehow turned into the weakest Cadre by orders of magnitudes because...
I’m talking about his team members. Dulio is surely stronger than the old Maou based on matching partial Dragon Deification.
Armaros, Barakiel and Azazel are somehow now orders of magnitudes above the Maou that rivaled them during the war? It’s especially ridiculous since the Maou were at a...
Look at what I’m talking about @MasqueTLDF @TotalMasterInfinity
Look at what the novel tells you.
How in the world are you going to have the main characters as Small Planet level and Cadres at Multi Continent level, when something almost on the level of a Cadre can easily overpower them?
All...
You didn’t even address anything I said. Dead for centuries doesn’t mean anything when the main characters are getting matched and overpowered by Cadre-class attacks.
Answer the simple questions:
- Are these random characters matching Irina and Xenovia in volume 22 stronger than a Cadre? No...
And I didn’t mean to disrupt the thread to this extent, or anything. I simply find the idea that some of these characters mentioned can stomp a Maou as ridiculous. We’d basically be updating the profiles with information that directly goes against what’s shown in the novel.
We can’t be having...
You’ll need to make a new thread because this one is already derailed and the mods will be confused.
Besides, I’m not sure it’s derailing because I’m disagreeing with the scaling values proposed. That is, Kokabiel isn’t weaker than the current main characters (Rossweisse, Akeno, Irina, etc) so...
It’s not the “past.”
These are from volume 22 onwards:
Xenovia and Irina are stalemated by angels that are much weaker than Cadres. Like, your scaling means they could have stomped Barakiel in volume 22 which is completely illogical. I don’t think you guys are considering the ramifications of...
So the new argument now is that wings mean nothing, when we literally see the opposite for Irina and Akeno. They both gain more wings as they power up, but apparently it’s irrelevant.
Lol, I think I’m done here. Crazy how all of this is based on Boost stacking. All well and good, but none of...
???
You claimed that new antagonists are stronger than the previous. I’m telling you that isn’t necessarily the case. How are you turning your own point against me…?
Not when you’re using them to claim characters are stronger than where they are narratively supposed to be.
And nothing...
Are you for real? Irina doesn’t have more than eight wings; she’s not stronger than a twelve winged Seraph. How can you think Irina is above Michael and Gabriel?
You realize this logic also makes eight winged Akeno stronger than Kokabiel and Azazel? Let’s be for real, please.
And yes, the...
No, he doesn’t. He’s weaker than Roygun and Diehauser, and he regards Diehauser as a complete monster.
Unless you also think Diehauser is stronger than the new Maou.
Not true. Kokabiel palmed her attack and he’s far below a Maou.
Also, you do remember that the new Maou were initially meant to...
Old Maou is where Bedeze is at, and he smashed Sairaorg with ease. There’s zero argument for this; you’re basically saying base Xenovia is above the previous Maou. That makes zero sense when you start to consider all the scaling implications.
Irina later matches base Xenovia. That would then...
@MasqueTLDF, I think you should make another thread after we decide on the scaling details in this thread.
Indeed, but the problem is that Issei and Sairaorg weren’t stated to be Maou class. They were stated to be Ultimate class and had poor performances against Maou class devils, so I simply...
The numbers crunching shouldn’t take precedence over narrative implications. Granted, I don’t think it’s outlandish for BxB Euclid to be comparable to the old Maou.
However, Grendel or CxC Issei (before Dragon Deification) being Maou class doesn’t have any narrative weight and it’s contradicted...
Will try to check later.
No, they don’t. Ajuka and Sirzechs are above the Heavenly Dragons, as Sirzechs was stated to be able to easily defeat Hades.
Hades is on par or slightly above the Heavenly Dragons based on his feats against Vali and Issei.
No, it was not created for Super Devils...
Every time he’s stated to have a attack power on par with a Maou. It’s always in reference to his fire breath.
No? Ajuka created it in Shin DxD 4. It’s not the same thing, check the chapter again.
That’s what I said. CxC is Maouclass after Dragon Deification. Before that, he has no feats or...
He’s Maou class with his maximum fire breath only.
There’s no Special class strength as far as we know; it was only mentioned in a short chapter and was introduced by Ajuka because Issei and Vali had special battle achievements so Ultimate class felt too low.
Ajuka himself isn’t “Special...
I mean that there was no indication of Juggernaut Drive being a thing after he unlocked True Queen. Probably because CxC was meant to be the answer for a Juggernaut Drive alternative. Now currently, the memories are no longer there so I doubt Juggernaut Drive is actually accessible.
It’s pretty much both. Bedeze doesn’t have to expend a fraction of his demonic energy because he was simply so strong that he could handle Saji without using his full power.
On the other hand, Saji has to go all out but he’s much weaker so he would waste his energy faster.
Well yeah, I mean...
How does that track?
Also, Grendel isn’t even Maou-class. He’s in the Dragon King-class so he’s definitely weaker than Azazel’s Balance Breaker at least, which doesn’t seem to be reflected in the sandbox. BxB Azazel can easily overpower average Maou-class like Cattleya, whereas Grendel is...
Can he? I’m pretty sure it got replaced by Cardinal Crimson Promotion. Issei got pissed off multiple times after that and Juggernaut was never mentioned to be a possibility iirc.
She was shown blocking a lightning dragon with her magic circles, but I don’t remember any explicit attack feat from her, which is…odd. I don’t think we even have any statements about her power level. I would guess she’s ultimate class at this point with the current scaling.
Does she even have...