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  1. Deagonx

    "Ares! Downgrade This Verse, and My Life is Yours!" ⌈GoW Downgrades, Part 1/???⌋

    Grace is just a limitation on applying changes of a thread. I'm not sure why it's being thought of as a thread closure deadline.
  2. Deagonx

    ben10(omnitrix) Immeasurable speed downgrade

    He said he intends to check it out. But staff votes can only be counted if they make the post themselves.
  3. Deagonx

    ben10(omnitrix) Immeasurable speed downgrade

    I directly copied and pasted what I was told here. I don't have any interest in this series such that I'd be trying to manipulate the outcome.
  4. Deagonx

    ben10(omnitrix) Immeasurable speed downgrade

    I do agree with removing immeasurable based on what Ultima said.
  5. Deagonx

    ben10(omnitrix) Immeasurable speed downgrade

    Most of what has been written to me on this matter has been very hard to understand from a grammar and language perspective. I'm not trying to strawman you, but the explanations have not been great. I took the explanation Reiner gave me and asked someone who has more experience with these things.
  6. Deagonx

    "Ares! Downgrade This Verse, and My Life is Yours!" ⌈GoW Downgrades, Part 1/???⌋

    There's a lot of bizarre cases that I don't really understand why they're getting FRA'd. Like. Kratos being given a resistance based on how the novel says an ability affected him in the novel, because that doesn't happen in the game? It's not as though the book simply says "this attack has [X]...
  7. Deagonx

    ben10(omnitrix) Immeasurable speed downgrade

    Well yes, and then reiner responded to me and I decided to ask Ultima.
  8. Deagonx

    ben10(omnitrix) Immeasurable speed downgrade

    I have consulted the high priest (Ultima):
  9. Deagonx

    ben10(omnitrix) Immeasurable speed downgrade

    Is this not what's being discussed?
  10. Deagonx

    ben10(omnitrix) Immeasurable speed downgrade

    Discussing it with Ultima, he explained timeless void movement isn't usable for speed at all, that it isn't infinite or immeasurable.
  11. Deagonx

    ben10(omnitrix) Immeasurable speed downgrade

    Well, I guess I'm just not intimated with the state of the discussion. I would agree broadly speaking that -- literally -- in the absence of time the "speed" of something cannot be measured and as such it is immeasurable. However as I watched the video, the energy wave moves in a manner that is...
  12. Deagonx

    ben10(omnitrix) Immeasurable speed downgrade

    @Firestorm808 Can you translate this
  13. Deagonx

    ben10(omnitrix) Immeasurable speed downgrade

    This description is insufficient.
  14. Deagonx

    ben10(omnitrix) Immeasurable speed downgrade

    Why does Alien X scale to it? Sorry, I'm out of the loop, but someone asked me to this thread so I am trying to assist.
  15. Deagonx

    "Ares! Downgrade This Verse, and My Life is Yours!" ⌈GoW Downgrades, Part 1/???⌋

    Empowerment is the ability to strengthen oneself due to various circumstances and outside forces that may or may not be under their control. Unlike Statistics Amplification, empowerment is often involuntary and inherent to each character rather than an activated ability. Absorbing someone...
  16. Deagonx

    "Ares! Downgrade This Verse, and My Life is Yours!" ⌈GoW Downgrades, Part 1/???⌋

    I feel like I'm watching The Passion of the Christ when you get dragged to these threads.
  17. Deagonx

    "Ares! Downgrade This Verse, and My Life is Yours!" ⌈GoW Downgrades, Part 1/???⌋

    The point Fuji is making is that Kratos is being given resistances based on the effects that are sourced from novels saying they affected Kratos himself (or would). So we're creating a bizarre picture here where Kratos is being given resistances because of these lore contradictions between the...
  18. Deagonx

    "Ares! Downgrade This Verse, and My Life is Yours!" ⌈GoW Downgrades, Part 1/???⌋

    I'll get to the rest later but, this is not what that scan says. The scan does not use the word mind at all. "The Queen lunges as Kratos grabbing him and dragging him under into another world, away from the chaos of the Titan and the world of man. But Kratos cannot succumb to such weak...
  19. Deagonx

    "Ares! Downgrade This Verse, and My Life is Yours!" ⌈GoW Downgrades, Part 1/???⌋

    I confirmed such with Agnaa:
  20. Deagonx

    ben10(omnitrix) Immeasurable speed downgrade

    I guess my hang-up @Firestorm808 is that, regardless of how we'd characterize their movement in this timeless space, wouldn't we generally assume their movement is normal when they are in a spacetime continuum?
  21. Deagonx

    ben10(omnitrix) Immeasurable speed downgrade

    Who currently has Immeasurable Speed as a result of this?
  22. Deagonx

    "Ares! Downgrade This Verse, and My Life is Yours!" ⌈GoW Downgrades, Part 1/???⌋

    Yes, of course. The same way we can also use the "Good Ending" of a VN. We are in complete agreement there. Considering that we already do this, I don't know why I would be concerned about it. It hasn't been an issue. Alternative endings/outcomes just answer hypothetical questions. The failed...
  23. Deagonx

    "Ares! Downgrade This Verse, and My Life is Yours!" ⌈GoW Downgrades, Part 1/???⌋

    I just responded to this exact sentiment in your last comment. It was a hypothetical. I am saying even if 1-ups weren't a thing or if the "story didn't work" if Mario ever died, we would still be in the clear to use the information that Mario dies to fireballs. Good thing God of War 2 is canon...
  24. Deagonx

    "Ares! Downgrade This Verse, and My Life is Yours!" ⌈GoW Downgrades, Part 1/???⌋

    You're missing the point of the hypothetical. If Mario canonically never experienced a death in Super Mario Bros, we wouldn't conclude that we do not have any pertinent information about how fireballs would interact with Mario if they did hit him. The bottom line is that authors/creators are...
  25. Deagonx

    "Ares! Downgrade This Verse, and My Life is Yours!" ⌈GoW Downgrades, Part 1/???⌋

    It needn't occur canonically. If it's one of the possible outcomes then that's still usable information for verse mechanics. We do this for VNs and RPG games all the time. GoW isn't special in that regard
  26. Deagonx

    "Ares! Downgrade This Verse, and My Life is Yours!" ⌈GoW Downgrades, Part 1/???⌋

    That's not the point of the hypothetical. Even if 1-Ups didn't exist we would still know that fireballs can kill Mario. The fact that canonically he successfully avoided ever being hit by one doesn't mean we can't regard his vulnerability to fireballs as canon info. It is canon information for...
  27. Deagonx

    "Ares! Downgrade This Verse, and My Life is Yours!" ⌈GoW Downgrades, Part 1/???⌋

    That isn't a parallel to what's happening here, you aren't saying this isn't canon because it's contradicted by the canon established in a different game. You are saying it isn't canon because the main character canonically succeeds. I am using Super Mario 1 as an example of how this logic...
  28. Deagonx

    "Ares! Downgrade This Verse, and My Life is Yours!" ⌈GoW Downgrades, Part 1/???⌋

    There is no substantive difference. The canonical outcome of Super Mario probably involves Mario evading fireballs, jumping on Goombas, and etc. This does not mean that we cannot conclude canonically that these things can kill Mario, even if we know the point of the story is for him to succeed...
  29. Deagonx

    "Ares! Downgrade This Verse, and My Life is Yours!" ⌈GoW Downgrades, Part 1/???⌋

    Yes. The proof is the fact that if you succeed in the quick time event, you avoid letting Pollux and Castor cast the spell on you with agility, and if you fail they cast it on you and you instantly die. This game is canon. Once again, games have lots of possibilities but ultimately only one set...
  30. Deagonx

    "Ares! Downgrade This Verse, and My Life is Yours!" ⌈GoW Downgrades, Part 1/???⌋

    Nothing says they even had those properties in that game. All of that stuff comes from God of War Ascension, where you can get these spells with the Zeus Alignment: Magic Description Lightning Storm Summon a powerful bolt of lightning to create an explosion beneath you. Your lightning storm...
  31. Deagonx

    "Ares! Downgrade This Verse, and My Life is Yours!" ⌈GoW Downgrades, Part 1/???⌋

    I'll say this once more. No one is taking the stance that the failure is canon. The failed QTE event being non-canon is not an obstacle here, because it demonstrates that Kratos is indeed vulnerable to the ability. Especially because the reason that Kratos does not succumb to the ability when...
  32. Deagonx

    "Ares! Downgrade This Verse, and My Life is Yours!" ⌈GoW Downgrades, Part 1/???⌋

    These instances of Zeus being staggered and damaged by his own lightning are currently the justifications for his "resistance." If you're proposing that something more than damage and being staggered should've happened to Zeus had he not had the resistance, you'd need to justify that. But as far...
  33. Deagonx

    "Ares! Downgrade This Verse, and My Life is Yours!" ⌈GoW Downgrades, Part 1/???⌋

    The basic concept of a video game involves thing occurring in various ways, otherwise it'd just be a movie. If a VN has a "bad ending" that shows how something in the verse works mechanically, the fact that the bad ending is not the canonical ending doesn't mean that the information provided...
  34. Deagonx

    "Ares! Downgrade This Verse, and My Life is Yours!" ⌈GoW Downgrades, Part 1/???⌋

    If something knocks you back and causes you to roar and pain, by what measure are we claiming they are "resisting it?" Yes, it is obviously true that this is a "lack of absolute immunity," but the "lack of absolute immunity" is not the point being made, it is not the argument for why the...
  35. Deagonx

    "Ares! Downgrade This Verse, and My Life is Yours!" ⌈GoW Downgrades, Part 1/???⌋

    None of the proposed removals were based on a lack of absolute immunity but rather (for the resistances) cases where the person with the resistance was significantly hurt or affected by the thing they had a resistance for. Or in other cases, resistances to abilities they literally dodged or were...
  36. Deagonx

    "Ares! Downgrade This Verse, and My Life is Yours!" ⌈GoW Downgrades, Part 1/???⌋

    It needn't be normal. As I said, even if we accepted such an interpretation this would still be Limited ESP.
  37. Deagonx

    "Ares! Downgrade This Verse, and My Life is Yours!" ⌈GoW Downgrades, Part 1/???⌋

    I wasn't saying resistance to RE, I am saying Kratos doesn't have resistance to telepathy nor can he "evolve" to resist it, and the notion that he could renders the search for Draupnir nonsensical. Yeah, it's too vague to know for sure what is being intended. It could even be a form of soul...
  38. Deagonx

    "Ares! Downgrade This Verse, and My Life is Yours!" ⌈GoW Downgrades, Part 1/???⌋

    Can you explain what you mean about the sisters of fate?
  39. Deagonx

    "Ares! Downgrade This Verse, and My Life is Yours!" ⌈GoW Downgrades, Part 1/???⌋

    It's not uncommon in fiction for normal people to "feel" ghostly apparitions near them without requiring a special ability or "feel" another person's power, but this is not generally what ESP is meant for. We could keep it, but it would still have to be "limited" as the implications are too...
  40. Deagonx

    "Ares! Downgrade This Verse, and My Life is Yours!" ⌈GoW Downgrades, Part 1/???⌋

    I think that this distinction is mostly academic, but your point comes through either way: It's clear the river will kill you, but there's nothing to suggest that A) Touching the river in any capacity instantly kills you and B) The reason that it didn't immediately kill Kratos (and simply...
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