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Search results for query: Type IV

  1. Ultima_Reality

    The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

    I AM certainly is 0, yeah. Overall, Tier 0 come the revisions is more or less a totally self-sufficient and cosmology-independent tier. You could have a verse where the only cosmological structure around is the Monad and it'd still be 0. The true authors for sure aren't 0, though, since they're...
  2. Ultima_Reality

    On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System

    You asked about a hypothetical scenario where a verse "concretely establishes mathematical hierarchies as encompassing and dwarfing R>F or other qualitative hierarchies." BDE is a perfectly valid illustrative example and not at all outside of the parameters you prescribed. And the information...
  3. Ultima_Reality

    On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System

    ...aleph_2, or any other, really). In practice, you could say this is basically a tier for things that encompass all mathematical objects, so, Type IV Multiverses and the like would fall here. To not get into too much technicalities, you can call it absolute infinity, if you like. (Though...
  4. Ultima_Reality

    Tiering System Revisions: Tier 0

    A significant step-up. Although, by that, I assume it doesn't have internal *in*consistencies. I think this is pretty succinctly explained by the fact that "All classically possible worlds + Non-classical worlds" doesn't really have a different cardinality or any metric by which we might say...
  5. Ultima_Reality

    On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System

    ...problems entirely at R>F Transcendence. Especially seeing as every debate we've had over this subject in the past (Whether focused around Type IV Multiverses, or BDE, or whatever else) has, if I recall, ended with you pointing out that upgrading any of these things to their proper places...
  6. Ultima_Reality

    Possibly downgrading Two of the strongest Tier 0 characters in the wiki.

    ...It just worked on debunking Tier 0 and nothing else. Given we already rated the Downstreamers at Low 1-A before based on scaling off of a Type IV Multiverse, why is everyone not just pointing out they should be downgraded to where they were at before, instead of Low 2-C? Feel like this should...
  7. Ultima_Reality

    On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System

    It did, in fact, happen with BDE, and in fact it was one of the things emphasized to me back when my proposal to upgrade it to High 1-A was rejected. Though, frankly, if you think that "An uncountably infinite gap in volume" is not even an erroneous-yet-necessary compromise, or anything, but a...
  8. Ultima_Reality

    Revising Marvel's Abstracts (Part 2 of ????)

    ...can't understand it." Same principle goes here. Kek, I should've probably have hit harder on that key. Anyway: My point was never about a Type IV Multiverse, per se, and nor was I saying that, just because math is information, it should all be instantiated in reality. To summarize: We know...
  9. Ultima_Reality

    The Dread Tiering System Revisions

    Might be fine. See below for the reason I put that in. True. "Levels of infinity" would give off the impression that the new Tiering System still works off on some ill-defined notion that can be equated both to dimensional levels and to metaphysical differences, as we did before. I don't mind...
  10. Ultima_Reality

    Mortebianca CRT for tier 1

    Largely because the premise of a Type IV Multiverse is that mathematical objects exist as platonic forms that are physically instantiated as various types of universes, each corresponding to a given formal system describing its structure. So, 1-A would be due to the fact that the mathematical...
  11. Ultima_Reality

    Mortebianca CRT for tier 1

    1-B looks pretty straightforward to me, looking only at the tidbits about higher dimensions. As for the Type IV Multiverse stuff: Tier 0 would require bringing up slightly more advanced mathematics, and the endlessness of that hierarchy would just lead to this possibility being disregarded as a...
  12. Ultima_Reality

    Some concerns regarding current Tiering System standards (1-A and up)

    ...off of a single text (Or multiple texts), none of which are inherently more valid or truthful than the other for our purposes. What sets a Type IV Multiverse apart from such things in this context is that it does have one specific, technical, set-in-stone definition, which, if deviated from...
  13. Ultima_Reality

    Possibly Azrael Upgrade (Low 1-A to solid 1-A)

    ...place. Although, if he fully transcends spacetime in relation to a High 1-B Multiverse, then he'd be 1-A anyways, I suppose. Regarding the Type IV Multiverse stuff: I am fairly sure the "Level N Multiverse" described there is literally just referring to the Type IV Multiverse itself...
  14. Ultima_Reality

    Mortebianca CRT for tier 1

    They are mathematical insofar as the rest of reality, too, abides by mathematics and exists in perfect correspondence to it, not in the sense they are literally the same as the platonic world that Tegmark describes. The MUH moreso posits that mathematics exist as the underlying substratum of...
  15. Ultima_Reality

    Some concerns regarding current Tiering System standards (1-A and up)

    ...use: the Mathematical Universe Hypothesis, which some of you know might be vaguely familiar with, since it is also known by another name, a Type IV Multiverse. Basically, this is a cosmological model which posits that mathematical existence and physical existence are, in fact, one and the...
  16. Ultima_Reality

    Possibly Azrael Upgrade (Low 1-A to solid 1-A)

    ...after piecing some of that stuff together: The Discworld Multiverse being Low 1-A in the first place apparently comes from the fact a Type IV Multiverse is mentioned in The Science of Discworld, and Time would apparently be Low 1-A as well due to encompassing this whole structure, according...
  17. Ultima_Reality

    Manifold : Possibly having Woodin Cardinals (Tier 0 Upgrade)

    ...exist" statement as something separate from the implication that mathematics governs reality, and thus that Manifold takes place in a Type IV Multiverse, when they are just informing the same thing and building upon a single context. In fact, your examples and other similar arguments seem to...
  18. Ultima_Reality

    Low 1-A for Manifold

    These statements are pretty clearly referring to the Mathematical Universe Hypothesis (A Type IV Multiverse), which is sorta tricky to tier because you could either say it's somewhere into 1-A or highball it to the death using the statements about all logically consistent mathematical structures...
  19. Ultima_Reality

    Some concerns regarding current Tiering System standards (1-A and up)

    This doesn't seem like it fully addresses my argument, as of yet. You've noticed that, while I brought up the lack of any effects indicative of such ratings, I also complemented it with something else, namely that our standards also use the frequency with which this occurs in fiction to appeal...
  20. Ultima_Reality

    SMT Revisions 2.0

    Yes, but as far as I know, the Akashic Records are strictly only part of the DeSu2 Multiverse, which is visibly 100% separate from the one featured in the main series, which is YHVH's Multiverse, where Demons are Data provenient of the Expanse / The Great Will, as the screenshot you posted...
  21. Ultima_Reality

    Tiering System Revisions: Tier 0

    Hi all. So, a bit ago, I made this thread. It got accepted, and the result of it was the discarding of the previous purely mathematical basis for tiers Low 1-A and above. These tiers, then, were changed to the following: Here, you can see a fairly clear progression on how the Tiering System...
  22. Ultima_Reality

    Tier 0 Mathiverse

    ...supporting material, given how the Mathiverse is simply supposed to be... well, Math, just visualized as a conglomerate of spaces; A genuine Type IV Multiverse if you will. However, Agnaa is correct in that the same would technically apply to theology (theology, not religion, there's a...
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