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Agnaa
Agnaa
5800: Because it's contradictory. It says that realm has alephs but also calls it the fifth dimension, & has its entry be a 5-manifold.

Acidverse: Because it only establishes uncountably infinitely higher spaces as existing. It uses alephs as a comparison of how infinities can be simplified, it doesn't say that aleph-omega sized objects exist,

Discord: idk what that is.
Rabbit2002
Rabbit2002
Thanks so much for the answer
In addition, I also have a question related to this is
Why does the Acidverse stuff have Low-1A? 'uncountably infinite expanses of uncountable dimensions' is more like L1C to me, especially since we omitted Aleph numbers
Agnaa
Agnaa
It sounds like it's saying that there's uncountably many higher dimensions, of uncountably infinite size, which is one of our definitions for Low 1-A.
Rabbit2002
Rabbit2002
Dimensions in "uncountable infinite dimensions" can be anything (alternate universes, pocket universes etc..) , it doesn't have to be uncountable infinite Higher dimensions
And even if they are higher dimensions, it's not even L1C let alone L1A
Literally, Acidverse's higher dimensions is one of reasons why God tiers were 1B before
The Critic stared at the circle of metal. He stared into the thin coating of paint, literally inside its composition, then noticed the pattern of brushwork. It was not completed in discrete layers, in fact, the brushstrokes seemed to weave together in three dimensions, the dried paint tangled impossibly. It was so subtle that, in fact, nobody would ever notice it. Nobody but Nobody. He looked deeper, beyond the coating, into the metallurgical structure of the disc. The internal flow seemed to twist and turn through impossible spaces, incredible tension pulling the fabric of reality taut within the hardened disc. He looked deeper, into the molecular structure; there he saw five-dimensional warping that should, by all accounts, cause the disc to shatter into dust. The atomic structure was bent through eight dimensions, beneath that, the protons were pulled across eighteen; the constituent quarks below were crackling across twenty six and below that he could feel the tension of uncountable vectors in uncountable spaces. The Critic inhaled deeply, apprehension setting in. Ruiz cackled madly.

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Agnaa
Agnaa
  1. An earlier part of the statement says "This is just a tiny subset of the world at large. I'd call it the 'real' word, but it's just as real as we are in here. The larger space that we're in… much larger, in fact, uncountably infinite expanses in uncountably infinite dimensions… we fill that space." I don't think that makes much sense if those uncountably infinite dimensions are alternate universes.
  2. A later part of the statement says "Think about infinity. Not just countable, but uncountable, and the dimension of it goes up into uncountability too." I don't think this makes much sense if "the dimension of it" is referring to alternate universes.
  3. When they are higher dimensions, it is 100% Low 1-A. That's how Low 1-A is defined, an uncountably infinite number of higher layers, such as higher realms, reality-fiction differences, or large extra dimensions.
  4. Acidverse's higher dimensions aren't the reason why God tiers were 1-B before. That statement was not used. A handful of statements referring to 196,884-D aliens, and another statement of a researcher's device detecting countless dimensions were the reasons for 1-B when that was a thing.
Rabbit2002
Rabbit2002
  1. Yes, It make sense. The previous section only mentioned that the world known to the listener (earth or universe?) is only a small part of the entire world, called the "real" world. It is much larger because it contains uncontable infinite expanses/areas of uncountable infinite dimensions. It doesn't matter whether the dimensions are alternate universes or pocket universes, because the Real world is still much larger and contains the world that the listener exists in and knows as a small subset (Multiverse)
  2. The latter is about the Concept of Infinity, you admit no Aleph omega size structures exist and they are not too related to what I am talking about as "Uncountable infinite expanses of uncountable infinite dimensions in Real world", main reason for Low-1A rating
  3. Yes, but not in this case. There is absolutely nothing that means Higher realms of existence or the difference between fiction and reality let alone Higher dimensions. Not to mention that Acidverse's Higher dimensions are completely unqualified for the hierarchy (Here).
  4. VIEW 3
Agnaa
Agnaa
  1. Given the context of the hub it's in, I don't think the world known to the listener is meant to just be the earth or universe, I think it's more likely to be the multiverse.
    • EDIT: To expand on this, he says everything's already over. That minds have died wishing for a fraction of what he can see. If this is really just meant to mean "There's more than just one universe" then that part of the statement feels ridiculous. This is SCP we're talking about. How have people died only finding out a fraction of the knowledge that other universes exist? Every god and GOI worth their salt knows about that.
  2. Dimensionality has absolutely nothing to do with infinity, so the only thing we can assume it's referring to is the dimensionality of their reality. I interpret it as basically meaning "There's infinities, not just countable but uncountable, and the dimension of reality goes up into uncountability too."
  3. Yeah, the in-narrative gods have no reason to scale to the hierarchy. Which is why it's used for the narrative characters.
Rabbit2002
Rabbit2002
  1. Literally, the context of the Acidverse wouldn't even be the Multiverse if Killing Knowledge and the sequel stories don't exist, well this would also mean that the uncountable infinite dimensions are just things that reside within one universe. The whole reason why various Nobodies like Coldwar's version and Finnegan exist is because Satan/Nahash/Serpen provides it, otherwise it would contradict with the entire Acidverse (Wog). Well about whether or not God tiers will scale to them, I'll deal with it in another revision (or not since I'm very lazy). Also, sorry it's Spoiler or you already know this, if it's the latter can you tell me how the Revision Team debunk it?
  2. "The dimension of it" pls. It in the context of that sentence is purely talking about the concept of infinity and the term "the dimension of" means the size of the thing or whatever it is pointing to, in the context and in any case, size of Infinity is Aleph Numbers. The most likely explanation is indeed "Think of the concept of infinity, which is not only countable, but Uncountable, and its size/Aleph also goes up into uncountable infinity/uncountablity too , at least is the Aleph-Omega1". This is also consistent with chain as "Aleph 0, Aleph 1, Aleph 2 and onward/so on" mentioned in a previous sentence
  3. Sorry but did you misunderstand something? "This case" is Acidverse, you are contradicting yourself when you say this
Rabbit2002
Rabbit2002
And take note
I don't intend to Upgrade, but rather the opposite
At least for now
Agnaa
Agnaa
  1. I have no idea how you could get uncountably infinitely many dimensions just residing within one universe. wtf. Also, I hope you saw the bit I edited into my last message. Also also, I don't understand what you're talking about the revision team debunking.
  2. That interpretation seems extremely unlikely to me. Saying "Think about infinities, not just countable but uncountable, and their size goes up into uncountability too" is ludicrously redundant.
  3. You: "Acidverse's higher dimensions don't qualify for the hierarchy, as per this CRT." Me: "Yeah, the in-narrative gods don't scale to them, which is why on our profiles as they are, only characters that can affect the entire narrative scale to them." I don't understand how I'm contradicting myself there.
Rabbit2002
Rabbit2002
  1. Sounds pretty crazy, but it's true. However, I do not intend for anyone to be able to destroy the universe to scale to it, I cannot cite its source. But Tale is Killing Knowledge, check its Fourns
  2. Not "infinities" but "Infinity", the whole quote just uses "infinity" as the whole concept instead of a degree of infinity. And if according to your interpretation, the words "it" and "The dimension of" are literally meaningless.
  3. I didn't mention God tiers and how they scale to, you're the one who added them, misunderstanding my whole point. My sentence implies that If Acidverse's "uncountable infinite dimensions" were higher dimensions, it would still not be Low-1A because Acidverse's higher dimensions do not qualify for our hierarchy. CRT not only proves God tiers is not L1A, but also interprets Acidverse as Higher D (though unknowingly). It is the answer to your previous question which is "It is higher dimensions so it must be 100% Low-1A"
Rabbit2002
Rabbit2002
Ah and this comment was written before I haven't read your edit
I will check it out later
Rabbit2002
Rabbit2002
The editing is pretty cool
However, what he said is not Real World. Note the following is my interpretation of the Quote, it has nothing to do with whether the Real World is actually L1A or L1C as it's just my question about how the wiki treats it easily with reasons for it (I swear u* sooner or later, or someone similar like who make recent CRT about Cthulhu mythos will declare it and Downgrade, including me if I don't lazy)
The fact that he despises it/Real World to the point of calling it "It's just going through the montions" actually implies there's something far more important than the Real World that it possesses or "do" , in context and in its entirety, it could be a hierarchy of Aleph numbers and Infinities with its dimensions (not Higher dimensions), although any degree of infinity at the Concept level can contain the entire Real World (Simple, Yes But they can each cointain The World), truly think it and concept of finite (5,3333,..) also means for them The world that in context is the Real World seems like Nothing
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