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Defenetly arrogance: In the 2nd page Doffy mentions he's being unreasonable, has been like that in the past & Crocodile even agrees with him. If Croc really was stronger he would've killed/beaten him up for getting his head chopped yet Doffy was fine in the end of the war. Also he threatened Mihawk not to piss him off.

I think Doffy was left with a bruise as well near the end of the war so maybe it could be assumed that was given to him by Crocodile, but yeah mostly arrogance on Crocodile's part.

-Maybe, we don't know for sure. Even if he's stronger than Rookie Ace he would still be no threat to end of MF dying WB, let alone WB at the start of the war. That's how wide the power gap is.

In terms of a straight up fight I agree, but, Whitebeard was vulnerable regardless as shown with the likes of vice-admirals & squard hurting him. I believe the fact none of the commanders issued an order to not attack Crocodile like with Ace & the fact they were actively trying to stop Crocodile from reaching WB suggests he held some level of threat to him.

-Eh at that point in the war i would agrue he wasn't. It takes quite some time for him to really weaken from lack of medicine like Ace's 1st duel: It started in day-time, ended in night-time & he didn't start having health issues. His observation was still working fine during Croc's sneak attack for instance. After Luffy left WB's ship, Crocodile got kicked out of it off-screen instead of getting killed/beaten badly.

I think the anime interpretation there is wrong as in the manga and novel the fight was over fast with Ace being defeated in a single attack, the manga also shows that it's still daytime after the fight.

I'll admit though that WB's condition was still fine but the fact he had been off his meds for sometime before the battle may have an effect on the commanders judgment unlike with Ace.

-Jinbei nearly got killed by Ace & their duel caused collateral damage on that island which was WB territoty. Doma & Cands attacked WB's territority yet they were sparred & later became allies. Most of the prisinors in Level 6 Impel Down, tried to kill WB sometime in the past & were sparred too desipite how evil they were. I agree Jozu attacked Croc in respond to him attacking foot-soilders, but still doubt he was going for the kill.

Good point, although even though they weren't going to kill crocodile I don't think that's the same as them holding back their strength.

Meh, i don't see how Doffy intercepting Jozu is any different from these cases: Mr.1 intercepting Mihawk from slashing Luffy, Jimbei intercepting Akainu from hitting Ace's corpse despite being father from them than Luffy, Sanji & Luffy intercepting BM from zapping Reiju ecc. If Doffy really get upgraded would this mess with the speed of early post-timeskip arcs?

Good point, forgot about how many times that has happened.

It probably would create inconsistencies as it would mean Gear 4th Luffy would be a blitz level above Doffy's reactions/perceptions who's scaling to the likes of Jozu who scales to the admiral's & Marco who scales relative to the yonko.

Fireld

I think Doffy was left with a bruise as well near the end of the war so maybe it could be assumed that was given to him by Crocodile, but yeah mostly arrogance on Crocodile's part.

Nice, we could use that as more evidence. I forgot to mention, Crocodile & the rest of the Impel Down gang deserve Accelerated Development. They might've grown from the constant beatdowns like another character.

In terms of a straight up fight I agree, but, Whitebeard was vulnerable regardless as shown with the likes of vice-admirals & squard hurting him. I believe the fact none of the commanders issued an order to not attack Crocodile like with Ace & the fact they were actively trying to stop Crocodile from reaching WB suggests he held some level of threat to him.

Squardo stabbed WB after a couple chapters after Crocodile's attempt & Marco's dialogue implies sensing these attacks from allies might be harder to sense than from enemies. The VAs ganged up on him after his heartattack & the hole from Akainu. He was considerably more vurnable in these cases than from Croc's.

I think the anime interpretation there is wrong as in the manga and novel the fight was over fast with Ace being defeated in a single attack, the manga also shows that it's still daytime after the fight.
I'll admit though that WB's condition was still fine but the fact he had been off his meds for sometime before the battle may have an effect on the commanders judgment unlike with Ace.

All are fair points.

Good point, although even though they weren't going to kill crocodile I don't think that's the same as them holding back their strength.

I mean if Jozu didn't bother dashing at FTL speeds towards him, he probably wouldn't bother striking him with full power. Tho he would use enough force to back him off or knock him down.

Good point, forgot about how many times that has happened.
It probably would create inconsistencies as it would mean Gear 4th Luffy would be a blitz level above Doffy's reactions/perceptions who's scaling to the likes of Jozu who scales to the admiral's & Marco who scales relative to the yonko.

Yeah.
Speaking of inconsistencies & Doffy, we've a simular problem Lifting Strength: Why is Parasito even considered LS when it aims the targets cervical at the nape of their neck? Looks like some type of nerve hax than LS.

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Sorry again for the late response.

Nice, we could use that as more evidence. I forgot to mention, Crocodile & the rest of the Impel Down gang deserve Accelerated Development. They might've grown from the constant beatdowns like another character.

It's possible that's the reason.

Squardo stabbed WB after a couple chapters after Crocodile's attempt & Marco's dialogue implies sensing these attacks from allies might be harder to sense than from enemies. The VAs ganged up on him after his heartattack & the hole from Akainu. He was considerably more vurnable in these cases than from Croc's.

If I remember right Marco's dialogue does bring up the fact that getting attacked by an ally may take someone off guard but overall stated that whitebeard wouldn't have been hit regardless had he not been off his meds.

I think Squard showed in general that WB was vulnerable (although increasingly more when he started having heart attacks) and overall a factor for why the WB pirates didn't treat Croc as they did Ace.

I mean if Jozu didn't bother dashing at FTL speeds towards him, he probably wouldn't bother striking him with full power. Tho he would use enough force to back him off or knock him down.

I think he was most likely using his full speed and power considering it was a named attack, in general not trying to kill your opponent isn't the same as holding back strength.

Yeah.
Speaking of inconsistencies & Doffy, we've a simular problem Lifting Strength: Why is Parasito even considered LS when it aims the targets cervical at the nape of their neck? Looks like some type of nerve hax than LS.

For the cervical version it's possible that it doesn't require LS, but, the version he used on Jozu seemingly didn't control his movements just temporarily restrained him.

It may be worth going over Parisito & it's scaling in a future CRT tho.

Fireld

Sorry again for the late response

NP, I ain't punctual here either

It's possible that's the reason.

OK

f I remember right Marco's dialogue does bring up the fact that getting attacked by an ally may take someone off guard but overall stated that whitebeard wouldn't have been hit regardless had he not been off his meds.

I think Squard showed in general that WB was vulnerable (although increasingly more when he started having heart attacks) and overall a factor for why the WB pirates didn't treat Croc as they did Ace.

Yea

I think he was most likely using his full speed and power considering it was a named attack, in general not trying to kill your opponent isn't the same as holding back strength.

Didn't we had a talk about Jozu not using full speed becuase the whole intercepting thing? Haven't named attacks been used on fodders before?(Like Sanji spamming DJ almost as much as regular kicks on them or BM using Thunderbolt on Judge & Heavenly Feuer on Reiju for example).
~~Unrelated to this discussion but it's rather sad that Jozu has had only 1 named attack & Vista got his signiture technique from the anime only.~~

For the cervical version it's possible that it doesn't require LS, but, the version he used on Jozu seemingly didn't control his movements just temporarily restrained him.
It may be worth going over Parisito & it's scaling in a future CRT tho.

Maybe he didn't bother controlling his movement cause he didn't need him to do anything atm? Hard to say which version is used when the strings aren't visible.
Defenetly.

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Didn't we had a talk about Jozu not using full speed becuase the whole intercepting thing? Haven't named attacks been used on fodders before?(Like Sanji spamming DJ almost as much as regular kicks on them or BM using Thunderbolt on Judge & Heavenly Feuer on Reiju for example).

I think Doffy intercepting was an outlier for Doffy himself not an indicator of Jozu not using his full speed.

I don't think at any point using a named technique would mean you're holding back your strength, I don't think Sanji held back even though he spams DJ & for Big Mom despite using named homie attacks I don't think she was holding back.

Fireld

OK

Would these count as outliers for those characters durability?

If you count this as Goken, would those feats be aided by durability negation?

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You wouldn't count either as Goken. If you mean that Luffy's using internal destruction or that Zoro is using Goken/Breath Cutting that isn't the case.

in that scene both are using Ryuo in the sense that they're bringing their haki outwards (Emission).

Fireld

Any opinions on this?

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Yeah I agree with it, Rokushiki is pretty much meant to be Haki.

Fireld

The Haki Vivre Card supports it too. That would explain why the Pre-TS CP9 having Haki.

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Yeah

Fireld

I'll say this here so that

doesn't interrupt, but shouldn't Lucci have that Kamisori feat be rated higher like his previous forms with Rokushiki techniques? Maybe sth like this:"(Countered G5th Luffy's attacks), higher with Kamisori(Jumped out of the way of an attack from Giant G5th Luffy)"

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Makes sense, I'll update the OP

Fireld

Haki can block shockwaves but gets bypassed by soundwaves, hmph

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I guess it makes sense considering Luffy didn't just choose to try block Apoo's DF with Haki when he foresaw it coming with future sight.

Fireld

I think Apoo's VC mentioned sth about too. And there's Killer Sonic Scythes phasing Kaido who has Haki all the time.

I think I found a way to debunk those who disagree with the vibration resistance: Damage said sth about haki users skin being too durable for the shockwaves to effectivaly go through their insides. MF Wall withstood WB's quake yet marines behind it were still getting blasted away & Sengoku had to guard himself.

Fireld

Bad points?

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Sorry I never got a notification on the reply.

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I think I found a way to debunk those who disagree with the vibration resistance: Damage said sth about haki users skin being too durable for the shockwaves to effectivaly go through their insides. MF Wall withstood WB's quake yet marines behind it were still getting blasted away & Sengoku had to guard himself.

Yeah this is a valid point, happens in the manga as well.

Fireld

Question: Is the CRIK SFX for bone cracking?

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