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UNDERTALE/DELTARUNE [shiny new] DISCUSSION THEAD

God_of_perversion said:
Undertale fans really don't know how to wank their verse. Not only do they  love downplaying it, but the glazers don't even know how to wank!
if a MGK fan became an Undertale fan, we would already have several layers of time manip
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tf are you on about we still got FTL scaling and not too long ago we had nonsense like 4-A Susie lol
 
AyOgUyS said:
Whoa whoa. I don’t agree with FTL Deltarune either but the verse is still consistently hypersonic to massively hypersonic.
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If Undertale's electricity/lightning scaling isn't accepted anymore, why would Deltarune's, which has less precedent for being real, be seen as valid?
 
Besides the combat UI being almost confirmed to be completely diegetic really puts into question how much the Fun Gang itself can scale to the SOUL dodging stuff
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
Didn't one of the adults run through a wall in Omori? Ig it's a gag
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Gruff Guy my goat save the scaling of the verse (yeah, being real, they're probably just supposed to be 10-B. I hold Omori too close to my heart to get into its scaling). I don't have much of an actual opinion on the Light World stuff, though. The bottle throw is a little silly, I suppose
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
The feather mechanic does imply they physically do all the dodging, and all the overworld dodging segments would put them about as fast as the SOUL.
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The Feather mechanic only implies they do the dodging of the overworld bullet patterns while using the feather, not anything else.
 
Recon1511 said:
The Feather mechanic only implies they do the dodging of the overworld bullet patterns while using the feather, not anything else.
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The feather just makes them lighter, it doesn't change how battles work in-universe, pretty sure at least.
All the fights also being Kris and the Krizzlers literally just standing still the whole time sounds pretty stupid too
 
AyOgUyS said:
Oh? I’ll hear you out.
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It's literally presented and functions the exact same as Undertale with the cartoony lightning bolt imagery, but this time it happens in a warped and distorted world based off imagination, and since the battle system is much closer to the overworld in deltarune, arguing it's just an art style difference would be harder to do than something like Undertale.

Most darkeners are clearly physically different in appearance than the thing they're based on.

The sound and lightning scaling would just be debunked for the same reason in Undertale.

Though to be fair, the soundwaves in chapter 4 are portrayed far more realistically, so the scaling in there might end up staying.

I'm not even fully against the lightning/electricity being real for either series, but I don't see any reason why it'd stick around in deltarune.
 
Moon_Crasher said:
It's literally presented and functions the exact same as Undertale with the cartoony lightning bolt imagery, but this time it happens in a warped and distorted world based off imagination, and since the battle system is much closer to the overworld in deltarune, arguing it's just an art style difference would be harder to do than something like Undertale.

Most darkeners are clearly physically different in appearance than the thing they're based on.

The sound and lightning scaling would just be debunked for the same reason in Undertale.

Though to be fair, the soundwaves in chapter 4 are portrayed far more realistically, so the scaling in there might end up staying.

I'm not even fully against the lightning/electricity being real for either series, but I don't see any reason why it'd stick around in deltarune.
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Noted. (y)
 
What Chapter 5 implies is that the Delta Warriors fight normally from their point of view, but at the same time, in the subconscious layer (Players layer), we see it as we see it in the game
If that weren't the case, Susie or someone else would have already commented on it
"Kris, why are we standing still while your soul moves in the green box?"
Only characters with more knowledge about that layer comment on it, like Flowery and Ralsei
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
The feather just makes them lighter, it doesn't change how battles work in-universe, pretty sure at least.
All the fights also being Kris and the Krizzlers literally just standing still the whole time sounds pretty stupid too
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What do you mean it doesn't change? Even in feather mode you can get pulled into regular battles by enemies that aren't the Flowers, making the combat in feather mode distinctly different from regular combat
 
Recon1511 said:
What do you mean it doesn't change? Even in feather mode you can get pulled into regular battles by enemies that aren't the Flowers, making the combat in feather mode distinctly different from regular combat
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Okay but Seth can physically dodge Aqua's attacks without the feather.
 
LittleGuy99 said:
What Chapter 5 implies is that the Delta Warriors fight normally from their point of view, but at the same time, in the subconscious layer (Players layer), we see it as we see it in the game
If that weren't the case, Susie or someone else would have already commented on it
"Kris, why are we standing still while your soul moves in the green box?"
Only characters with more knowledge about that layer comment on it, like Flowery and Ralsei
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It's still turn-based, but when enemies attack them, they see it more like when we're attacked in the overworld or similar to the fights seen with the Petal Feather
The player's point of view and that of the Delta Warriors are both canon, but through layers
 
Comiphorous said:
They're 9-B, several tiers below real lightning's AP. When they got downgraded from tier 8 it domino effect shot their speed rating too.
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Well, more accurately, the Tier 8 stuff was based on KE from the electricity speed scaling, but that got nuked for not being "real" enough (which, like, for some of the attacks, yeah, fair, but ALL magic? C'mon, that's a bit harsh)
 
Comiphorous said:
Okay but Seth can physically dodge Aqua's attacks without the feather.
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That'd grant Seth some meta control of the battle system, kinda like Flowery. I don't see how it would imply anything else, like they can even throw away the mercy % lol
 
Moon_Crasher said:
It's literally presented and functions the exact same as Undertale with the cartoony lightning bolt imagery, but this time it happens in a warped and distorted world based off imagination, and since the battle system is much closer to the overworld in deltarune, arguing it's just an art style difference would be harder to do than something like Undertale.

Most darkeners are clearly physically different in appearance than the thing they're based on.

The sound and lightning scaling would just be debunked for the same reason in Undertale.

Though to be fair, the soundwaves in chapter 4 are portrayed far more realistically, so the scaling in there might end up staying.

I'm not even fully against the lightning/electricity being real for either series, but I don't see any reason why it'd stick around in deltarune.
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I agree, it really shouldnt stay in deltatune and the verse should be stuck at the sonic ranges just like UT is but you never know, Deltarune already gets away with ignoring wiki rules so (This aint a serious insult/stray, just to clarify before someone tries crucifying me)
 
Recon1511 said:
Besides the combat UI being almost confirmed to be completely diegetic really puts into question how much the Fun Gang itself can scale to the SOUL dodging stuff
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I personally think the current method we use for 90% of the DR calculations is really flawed. But the UI diegetic stuff is a good point to bring up.
 
Rodriiogo said:
I agree, it really shouldnt stay in deltatune and the verse should be stuck at the sonic ranges just like UT is but you never know, Deltarune already gets away with ignoring wiki rules so (This aint a serious insult/stray, just to clarify before someone tries crucifying me)
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No, no, it's true. This verse is just blatantly wanked the reason debunks have failed was because it was Charmander being a ****** on his debunk threads.
 
Recon1511 said:
That'd grant Seth some meta control of the battle system, kinda like Flowery. I don't see how it would imply anything else, like they can even throw away the mercy % lol
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Seth can physically dodge attacks from aqua without feather -> Fun gang can physically keep up with aqua's attacks in feather mode -> Fun gang speed scales in or out of feather mode
 
(Lowkey, I agree that getting KE from the speed calcs is kinda silly, but I don't have that much of an issue with the speed calcs themselves. If a thing behaves realistically enough in-game, even if it's a magic or dark-world thing, I'm still ok with treating it as going at irl speed. That said, FTL is kinda stupid, and Hypersonic is much more consistent)
 
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