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Infinite Mage - The Cosmology Of Infinity [NEED 1 MORE STAFF 2:0:0]
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It goes without saying, but I disagree with this post.
There’s talk that Miro’s space exists in the fourth dimension, so I just can’t understand why “low 1-A” comes up.
There’s talk that Miro’s space exists in the fourth dimension, so I just can’t understand why “low 1-A” comes up.
It's a map that takes the form of three dimensions but actually guides you
to four-dimensional coordinates.
"The upper floor isn't limited to space, is it?"
Sein nodded.
Shirone's insight was impressive, but if he couldn't grasp this much, he
wouldn't qualify to join Gaold's project in the first place.
"Right. In three dimensions, Istas is just a warehouse made up of 89
buildings. But the upper floor exists in a higher dimension. That's why
the agents couldn't find it."
"So, in addition to a specific space, a specific time must align?"
"Exactly. Take the 333 cube as an example. When you move the cube at
coordinates 1.1.1 to coordinates 3.1.3, what changes is not just space but
also time. No matter how fast you turn it, it takes at least 0.1 seconds.
This is called spacetime. I devised a way to prevent anyone from
accessing Miro by hiding her spacetime at the origin of the cube."
to four-dimensional coordinates.
"The upper floor isn't limited to space, is it?"
Sein nodded.
Shirone's insight was impressive, but if he couldn't grasp this much, he
wouldn't qualify to join Gaold's project in the first place.
"Right. In three dimensions, Istas is just a warehouse made up of 89
buildings. But the upper floor exists in a higher dimension. That's why
the agents couldn't find it."
"So, in addition to a specific space, a specific time must align?"
"Exactly. Take the 333 cube as an example. When you move the cube at
coordinates 1.1.1 to coordinates 3.1.3, what changes is not just space but
also time. No matter how fast you turn it, it takes at least 0.1 seconds.
This is called spacetime. I devised a way to prevent anyone from
accessing Miro by hiding her spacetime at the origin of the cube."
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This has already been debunked by the other crt, but okay. So this is their perspective and their statements and feats>statements. Furthermore there's already statements about the universe being 11d despite them calling it 4 dimensional coordinates
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Didn't other CRT only discuss “low 1-C”? Four-dimensional space plus one-dimensional time equals five dimensions.
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Yes and this is an upgrade, plus cosmology page aswell... And no it's not 4d+1time it's more of the fact that her space sees the spacetime as spots which gives her space an additional axis even if they say it's 4d
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What I'm trying to say is that the space of the maze is 4-dimensional space plus 1-dimensional time, which equals 5 dimensions, and that the 11-dimensional universe is of a higher dimension than the space of the maze.
The reason I refer to Miro's space as a five-dimensional space is that the novel describes Miro's space as a four-dimensional space.
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Again no, her space sees spacetime as spots so it doesn't matter whether character says it's 4d because feats>Statements, and the fact that the spacetime matrix is seen as a continues nested spacetime makes it High 1-B and there's statements about infinitely nested bubbles of universes which is further proof of it, plus can you prove that the universe they're talking about being 11d be a higher dimensional space than hers?
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Theres multiple novels says that their Dimensions is 4d despite it having feats about seeing spacetime as 0 dimensional points.
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The Low 1-A comes from the fact that her space encompasses an infinite hierarchy of dimensions
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thats leg just high 1-B at best. low 1-A is supposed to come from all possible dimensional spaces.
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Do you still further disagree with this?
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While “feats” are important, “anti-feats” are also important.
Also, it wasn’t just a statement—it’s said that a “four-dimensional map” was depicted. So why is this considered just a statement?
To begin with, the character who made that statement is portrayed as a human so intelligent that they possess “computational abilities that transcend those of humans,” so I’m not sure if it’s even fair to say the statement lacks credibility.
Also, the term “four-dimensional” isn't exclusive to that episode.
Other episodes also mention “four-dimensional space.”
I'll get the details for you in a moment.
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It's not a problem with me but I think it should be High 1-B+ for her higher space as it is a space that she herself created and which encompasses the spacetime matrix.
But the Low 1-A positive world should remain that with the following proof
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From what I remember, anti feats are feats that counters another feats which a statement doesn't counter a feat as a feat is generally a much stronger evidence than statements
4d map means nothing tho? It just means that the map is 4d
Being beyond human intelligence isn't rare, Shirone is beyond a regular human intelligence but his statements shouldn't be taken as a literal because there's feats that counters it, furthermore the infinite nested bubbles/spot of universes also debunks this, I mean if the character goes to a higher dimensional world, they would still only be able to perceive what they can comprehend which is 4d
Doesn't matter because the previous volume already confirmed that the universe is 11d but they still call it 4d despite that so any further statements about 4d universes wouldn't debunk anything
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As far as I recall, I don't think there's any line of dialogue that explicitly states that the 11-dimensional universe is a 4-dimensional universe.
If you're referring to Mikea Gaold's line, it's about the universe being 11-dimensional, not 4-dimensional—it doesn't say that the 11-dimensional universe is called 4-dimensional.
The problem is that the map is a map of Miro's space.
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This means that the universe began in 11 dimensions; it does not mean that 11 dimensions are referred to as 4 dimensions.
Even if we assume that the claim that the 11th dimension is called the 4th dimension is true, that would be “high 1-C,” not “low 1-A.”
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No, they're just changing the primordial coordinates which is why they call it "Primordial universe" But that universe is still within the spot as explained in the page, each spot begins with a 1 dimensional strings and then it exploded(big bang) and created the universe as it follows M-Theory, furthermore the statement literally says "Changing the primordial coordinates"
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Again the Low 1-A comes from the fact that the spacetime matrix she created is spacetime within another spacetime and another and this continues infinitely which sees each other as a spot giving each container a +1d and her space encompasses all of that, but I've already agreed with High 1-B+ with the other guy
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I'm not saying that the entire universe isn't 11-dimensional. I'm saying that while it is 11-dimensional, the characters in the novel don't refer to the 11th dimension as the 4th dimension.
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Ik your disagreeing with Miro being Low 1-A but even if we agree that each spacetime is 4d that still wouldn't change her scaling bcs her space encompasses the spacetime matrix which is an infinitely nested spacetime, the only thing that would change is the world's being High 1-C which I don't agree with you at putting it 2-A bcs there's already enough evidence for it to be high 1-C
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As far as I know, a tier isn’t finalized just because one person agreed with “Miro’s Space.” Also, other people’s opinions may differ from mine, and the
final decision on the tier is made by a majority of the staff.
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I'm not saying that at all, it's just that what your saying here doesn't really mean anything because it's already been mentioned in the previous crt's and worlds being 2-A is just not right for things with enough evidence to be higher.
Exactly but debates are also important so that staff can see the oppositions arguments.
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That's why I'm here debating with you to convince you. Anyways other than Miro do you agree with other tiers?
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What I mean is, since there is an "anti-feat" described as Miro's four-dimensional space, I oppose low 1-A.
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I'm gonna make it High 1-B+ because there's not much evidence for Low 1-A for her yet, but if you still disagree's with that then we'll just have to debate and see te staff's opinion on it
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While “feats” are important, “anti-feats” are also important. As far as I know, even if a feat is confirmed on this site, if there is an anti-feat, the evaluation takes that anti-feat into account.
The “anti-feat” I’m referring to is as follows:
The fact that Miro’s spacetime is described as “four-dimensional.”
This isn’t merely a statement made by a character.
The novel describes a 4-dimensional map. If the description were limited to the map itself, there would be no issue, but the problem lies in the fact that this 4-dimensional map depicts the location of Miro’s spacetime.
Furthermore, descriptions of Miro’s spacetime as being located in “four-dimensional space” appear in other episodes as well. If you’d like me to provide specific references, I’ll bring them to you then.
Another “anti-feat” is that the multiverse computing system—which corresponds to the god of the Negative World—cannot perceive dimensions higher than the fourth.
In other words, what I'm trying to say is that “Miro's space” consists of four dimensions of space plus one dimension of time.
That concludes my remarks. If anything else comes to mind, I’ll bring it up then.
The final decision will be up to the staff.
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Again, being smarter than humans doesn't mean anything if the character can only comprehend 4 dimensional spaces and thus they're limited to their own perception and is not reliable, saying that her space is 4d is not reliable at all bcs it's just a perception limitations, and the map being 4d doesn't mean anything as it's a map, the dimensionality doesn't change just because the map says it's 4d, furthermore even if a space has high 1-B dimensionality, to a 4 dimensional beings, the dimensional space would still be 4d.
Again 4 dimensional spaces or coordinates doesn't mean anything as even the universe being 11d is still called 4d
This is just a matter of interpretation, what was said in the scan was humans not being able to perceive the higher world, and again further statements of the 4th axis is not reliable how many times do I need to say this?
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Bro, this isn't a proper vote, he just discussed with you on discord and gave some of his opinions, not an official vote, also he even said he is not even sure about Low 1-A
I also don't see anything support Low 1-A for Positive World, at best it is High 1-B for infinite hierarchy of nested space-time
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Wouldn't it be atleast High 1-B+? It is a space above Miro's space that encompasses the spacetime matrix
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Is this a vote for High 1-C, High 1-B/High 1-B+(for Positive world), 1-A negative world, and Akashic records with it's following abilities?
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There isn't just one anti-feat.
Finally, he found the coordinates to the Land of Earth. But to get there,
they had to break through Miro’s Time and Space.
"Even with the coordinates, we have to break through. But it's tricky."
"Then what's the point of recovering the coordinates?"
Cariel turned at the majestic voice.
Recognizing the voice, he smiled. Another archangel, Uriel, clad in pure
white heavy armor, floated in the air.
Angels are taller than humans, but Uriel was the tallest among them,
standing at three meters. His chest armor was so thick it reached his
chin.
Cariel flapped his wings of light once, rising to the top of the central
control system. A large screen was installed 40 meters high, displaying
numerous numbers.
"Not necessarily. There are quite a few Nephilim in the Land of Earth
now. Even if we break Miro’s Time and Space, we can set up a firewall.
But with the coordinates, we can bypass it."
they had to break through Miro’s Time and Space.
"Even with the coordinates, we have to break through. But it's tricky."
"Then what's the point of recovering the coordinates?"
Cariel turned at the majestic voice.
Recognizing the voice, he smiled. Another archangel, Uriel, clad in pure
white heavy armor, floated in the air.
Angels are taller than humans, but Uriel was the tallest among them,
standing at three meters. His chest armor was so thick it reached his
chin.
Cariel flapped his wings of light once, rising to the top of the central
control system. A large screen was installed 40 meters high, displaying
numerous numbers.
"Not necessarily. There are quite a few Nephilim in the Land of Earth
now. Even if we break Miro’s Time and Space, we can set up a firewall.
But with the coordinates, we can bypass it."
"I wondered why we couldn't break through Miro’s Time and Space. It's
because the dimensional wall is inherently unbreakable. But with this
Celestial Wall, it's possible. Even unbreakable liquid shatters when
frozen. We'll strike Miro’s Time and Space directly."
"A direct hit. So this Celestial Wall represents Miro’s Time and Space?"
because the dimensional wall is inherently unbreakable. But with this
Celestial Wall, it's possible. Even unbreakable liquid shatters when
frozen. We'll strike Miro’s Time and Space directly."
"A direct hit. So this Celestial Wall represents Miro’s Time and Space?"
Miro’s Time and Space.
Miro had built a temple in an endless, meaningless space. It was an act
of squeezing meaning from a vast void.
The temple existed, so she existed. Based on that existence, she erected a
massive barrier between Heaven and humanity.
Miro had built a temple in an endless, meaningless space. It was an act
of squeezing meaning from a vast void.
The temple existed, so she existed. Based on that existence, she erected a
massive barrier between Heaven and humanity.
According to Scan1, Scan2, and Scan3, there is a dimensional barrier in Miro's spacetime, and Miro's spacetime is a world inferior to Heaven.
"Miro's spacetime sits balanced at a midpoint between Heaven and here. To make it simple, think of it as pressure. In the end, both sides exert equal pressure, pressing down on the maze. But what happens if one side's pressure suddenly vanishes?"
Imagining Gaold's words sent a chill through Shirone.
"Boom. The maze would go to pieces. That's why you can't take the maze out. The moment it builds a dimensional wall, it's trapped there."
"But Heaven's position is different, right?"
"Right. Heaven doesn't care whether the maze lives or dies. They can just smash the dimensional wall and roll in. The crack in Miro's spacetime is a perfect example."
Imagining Gaold's words sent a chill through Shirone.
"Boom. The maze would go to pieces. That's why you can't take the maze out. The moment it builds a dimensional wall, it's trapped there."
"But Heaven's position is different, right?"
"Right. Heaven doesn't care whether the maze lives or dies. They can just smash the dimensional wall and roll in. The crack in Miro's spacetime is a perfect example."
"Yes. The 4D coordinates, which add time to the 3D spatial coordinates.
Technically, it's 11 dimensions. Changing the primordial coordinates
won't alter events after creation. Heaven won't be able to find us
anymore."
"The absolute value changes, even if the relative value remains the
same."
It was different from the erasure of Goffin. It wasn't about resetting the
world but changing the reset point.
Gaold nodded, seeing that Shirone understood.
"Exactly. Changing the coordinates will remove the pressure on Miro.
Then we can rescue her. After that, we'll seal all the Goffin relics in the
world. We'll say goodbye to Heaven forever."
Technically, it's 11 dimensions. Changing the primordial coordinates
won't alter events after creation. Heaven won't be able to find us
anymore."
"The absolute value changes, even if the relative value remains the
same."
It was different from the erasure of Goffin. It wasn't about resetting the
world but changing the reset point.
Gaold nodded, seeing that Shirone understood.
"Exactly. Changing the coordinates will remove the pressure on Miro.
Then we can rescue her. After that, we'll seal all the Goffin relics in the
world. We'll say goodbye to Heaven forever."
Scan 4 describes in detail that Miro's spacetime is a world lower than Heaven, and it is indirectly implied that Heaven exists within the 11-dimensional universe.
In other words, Miro's spacetime is located within the 11-dimensional universe.
When Miro's space-time vanished, the coordinates shifted too.
The old metagate became useless, so Gaold planned to extract new coordinates from the Akashic Record.
A part may change, but the whole remains perfect.
So when Miro's space-time disappeared, new, precise coordinates should have been written in the Akashic Record.
The Disc-an artifact called Geopin's relic-was what could extract those coordinates and feed them into a new metagate.
The old metagate became useless, so Gaold planned to extract new coordinates from the Akashic Record.
A part may change, but the whole remains perfect.
So when Miro's space-time disappeared, new, precise coordinates should have been written in the Akashic Record.
The Disc-an artifact called Geopin's relic-was what could extract those coordinates and feed them into a new metagate.
According to Scan 5, compared to the entire 11-dimensional universe,
Miro's spacetime is merely a part of the 11-dimensional universe.
The content of Scan 5 describes how Miro's spacetime exists within the 11-dimensional universe.
"How can we change lifespan? Because this place is connected to the Akashic Records."
Canis also knew about the Akashic Records. It was a word he often
encountered while studying mythology.
A supernatural collection of information that is said to contain all
records of the universe.
“Akashic Records aren’t something that grand or magnificent. This world itself is the Akashic Records."
Canis also knew about the Akashic Records. It was a word he often
encountered while studying mythology.
A supernatural collection of information that is said to contain all
records of the universe.
“Akashic Records aren’t something that grand or magnificent. This world itself is the Akashic Records."
If the Akashic Records represent the entirety of the universe, Satan's law
is its counterpart.
is its counterpart.
According to Scans 5-2 and 5-3, the Akashic Records are an 11-dimensional universe. And, as mentioned earlier, if the Akashic Records are the whole, then Miro’s spacetime is a part of it.
In other words, Miro’s spacetime is merely a part of the 11-dimensional universe.
In other words, it means dominating a 4D space, which is the same
mechanism used by Goffin to create the upper layers of Istas.
mechanism used by Goffin to create the upper layers of Istas.
Dominating 4-dimensional space is the same mechanism used to create the upper layers.
You are well aware that the upper layers of Istas refer to Miro’s spacetime, aren’t you?
The data from Scan 6 indicates that Miro’s spacetime is a 4-dimensional space.
I’ve said this many times, but that means the universe has 11 dimensions—it doesn’t mean that the 11th dimension is referred to as the 4th dimension.
Even if it were correct for the characters to refer to the 11th dimension as the 4th dimension, that would simply mean that Miro’s space has 11 dimensions.
I don't understand why there is no evidence that MCS cannot perceive beyond the fourth dimension.
“Is that even possible? A phase undetectable even to the Multiverse
Computational System?”
It wasn’t even registered as a bug.
“What if it’s a higher dimension?”
“Is that even possible? A phase undetectable even to the Multiverse
Computational System?”
It wasn’t even registered as a bug.
“What if it’s a higher dimension?”
I’ve said many times, based on the scan above, that humans aren’t the only ones who can’t perceive dimensions.
It seems humans cannot perceive the fourth dimension, and the multiverse computing system cannot perceive dimensions higher than the eleventh.
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Could you share your thoughts on the “anti-feats” I mentioned earlier?
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A spacetime can be anything from 4d to ∞d
So... This isn't really an anti-feat it's more of a statement coming from a human, the extent of a human being able to comprehend higher than the original dimensions of the universe is unlikely as there's already statements in the further volumes that humans cannot perceive higher than the fourth dimension A.K.A the 11th dimension.
So this is merely a limitation to perception than an actual anti feat bcs this isn't even a feat in the first place.
Furthermore, they even mentioned how the world would look like in a higher dimensional perspective.
In fact this is mentioned many times.
I'm which Miro mentioned that their universe are merely one of the spots that exist.
Can you give me the volume and chapter of this scan.
I’ve said many times, based on the scan above, that humans aren’t the only ones who can’t perceive dimensions.
your scan is not the same as what's originally written so idk where you get that information from, they don't even refer to the MCS as MCS but More they refer to it as the multiversal computational system and even the scan disagree with you lol
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Why is the negative world not 1-A or dots not being High 1-C?
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Nvm I'm just stupid
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Can you tag the other staff? (Elizhaa, Darkdragonmedues and TheGreatJedi)
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It's funny how, as far as I remember, it's the usual suspects who are tagged XD
Any inputs, please and thank you?
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