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Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

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Mbpoops said:
welt not using the one shot ability on universe destroyers but using it on a random guy who wanted to ascend humanity
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The dude can nuke Anti-Spiral, Complete Infinite Zamasu and Alien Key Ryusuke to oblivion but at the same time is also victim of Stonehearts, Emanators and Aeons, like, how does that even work for the love of god 😵‍💫
 
Cuz Shaoji writing is bull. He can’t risk letting characters go to the level of Imaginary Space or Primordial Chaos because it’s a major plotpoint that Aeons have still not transcended Origin & Finality.

Which just leaves it inconsistent with Hi3.
 
The best way of explaining the contradictions would just be to acknowledge the hierarchy of concepts and infinites with different levels, which isn't unusual. Even in the Ancient era with Proclus and those inspired by Plato have told

Every power is either finite or infinite. But every finite power emanates from infinite power: and infinite power emanates from the first infinity.
For the powers which exist at a certain time are finite, falling from the infinity of existing always: but the powers of eternal beings are infinite, because they never desert their own hyparxis.

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Every infinite which is in true beings is neither infinite to superior natures, nor is it infinite to itself.
For that by which each thing is infinite, by this likewise it exists uncircumscribed. But every thing which is in true beings is bounded by itself, and by all the things prior to it. It follows, therefore, that the infinite which is in true beings is infinite to subordinate natures alone, above which it is so expanded in power that it is incomprehensible by all of them. For in whatever manner they may extend themselves towards this infinite, yet it has something entirely exempt from them. And though all things enter into it, yet it has something occult and incomprehensible by secondary natures. Though likewise it evolves the powers which it contains, yet it possesses something on account of its union insurmountable, contracted, and surpassing the evolution of beings. Since, however, it contains and bounds itself, it will not be infinite to itself, nor much less to the natures above it, since it has a portion of the infinity which is in them. For the powers of more total or universal natures are more infinite because they are more universal, and rank nearer to the first infinity.
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Just use this; have the Aeons be infinite and transcendental to the powers of the world as experienced by most mortals, but be themselves limited in their own plane of existence as there's something else which is truly infinite even to them.

This can extend to other things like the perspective of time; have them be timeless with regard to the mortal realm, but have their own experience of time, which means that they can transcend mortal time and space, but still be limited to the very concept of Origin & Finality.

The funny thing is that Amphoreus had a lot of Plato references, and Lygus last monologue after gathering all the Nymphs does tease this hierarchy of being, by establishing that it's possible to have an entire hierarchy of Plato's caves in which the first perceived "Sun" is merely another Shadow of yet another larger cave, and so even though the Aeons are the "Suns" we perceive, there could be something larger that bounds even them.

The content is literally in the game itself, they just need to properly explore this and they can solve all contradictions.
 
Mbpoops said:
reason? welt upscale?
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Too bad, herrscher of reason and "reason" In genshin refer to two different thing

Hi3 Reason/cerces titan of reason mostly just refer to Manifestation Construction (or precisely to the logic of human civilization) or knowledge

Meanwhile "reason" In genshin refer to Li/logos

That's kinda two different things
 
Executor_N0 said:
The best way of explaining the contradictions would just be to acknowledge the hierarchy of concepts and infinites with different levels, which isn't unusual. Even in the Ancient era with Proclus and those inspired by Plato have told



Just use this; have the Aeons be infinite and transcendental to the powers of the world as experienced by most mortals, but be themselves limited in their own plane of existence as there's something else which is truly infinite even to them.

This can extend to other things like the perspective of time; have them be timeless with regard to the mortal realm, but have their own experience of time, which means that they can transcend mortal time and space, but still be limited to the very concept of Origin & Finality.

The funny thing is that Amphoreus had a lot of Plato references, and Lygus last monologue after gathering all the Nymphs does tease this hierarchy of being, by establishing that it's possible to have an entire hierarchy of Plato's caves in which the first perceived "Sun" is merely another Shadow of yet another larger cave, and so even though the Aeons are the "Suns" we perceive, there could be something larger that bounds even them.

The content is literally in the game itself, they just need to properly explore this and they can solve all contradictions.
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No, that’s not the issue. It’s the fact that what is beyond Beginning & End belongs to Primordial Chaos and the Cocoon. But Aeons cannot transcend this, which means their powerlevels cannot reasonably be scaled to the level of ontology shown in Hi3.
 
SuperNova55555 said:
No, that’s not the issue. It’s the fact that what is beyond Beginning & End belongs to Primordial Chaos and the Cocoon. But Aeons cannot transcend this, which means their powerlevels cannot reasonably be scaled to the level of ontology shown in Hi3.
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this is one of the greatest messages ive read all day
 
SuperNova55555 said:
No, that’s not the issue. It’s the fact that what is beyond Beginning & End belongs to Primordial Chaos and the Cocoon. But Aeons cannot transcend this, which means their powerlevels cannot reasonably be scaled to the level of ontology shown in Hi3.
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remember when you said aeons are bound by a single branch.... yea you mightve precogged some shit
 
SuperNova55555 said:
No, that’s not the issue. It’s the fact that what is beyond Beginning & End belongs to Primordial Chaos and the Cocoon. But Aeons cannot transcend this, which means their powerlevels cannot reasonably be scaled to the level of ontology shown in Hi3.
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I'm surprised you'd say this given I've been hearing Emanator level Cocoon slander supposedly from you, may be misinformed 😭 😭

Still, did Hi3 put something in your water? Is this an evil alter ego? Lmao.
 
PlungingThroughTime said:
I'm surprised you'd say this given I've been hearing Emanator level Cocoon slander supposedly from you, may be misinformed 😭 😭

Still, did Hi3 put something in your water? Is this an evil alter ego? Lmao.
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I don’t necessarily get the feeling that the Cocoon is that strong either. At least, I don’t think it’s actually above the Imaginary Space/Primordial Chaos, since those share the property of transcending the ordered Universe as well, and thus Origin & End.

Also, the first mention of Cocoon in Elysia’s backstory on Chapter 31 called it a “chaos”, so I believe it’s just a civilizations whose ontology has reached beyond time. Dunno if it implies much about power though.
 
Xipe is prolly attempting to form a universal Cocoon though. Likely through unifying the entire Universe and it’s concepts together, the same way Cocoon’s civilization unified with it’s planet.
 
SuperNova55555 said:
I don’t necessarily get the feeling that the Cocoon is that strong either. At least, I don’t think it’s actually above the Imaginary Space/Primordial Chaos, since those share the property of transcending the ordered Universe as well, and thus Origin & End.

Also, the first mention of Cocoon in Elysia’s backstory on Chapter 31 called it a “chaos”, so I believe it’s just a civilizations whose ontology has reached beyond time. Dunno if it implies much about power though.
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So where does the imaginary space scale? Like is it above the 11d so 12d?
 
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