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Aldebaran & "Alter" VS Doctor Strange (Re:Zero VS MCU)

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This is a test to see how Aldeberan fairs in matchups. Could be a stomp, might not be a stomp.


Aldebaran & Aldebaran (Alter) VS Doctor Strange​

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Conditions:
  • This is a 2v1 matchup, so keep that in mind.
  • Speed is equalized; Aldebaran (Alter) is used for speed equalization, to prevent weird speed-blitz conditions.
  • Post-Blip Doctor Strange is used.
  • The battle takes place on MCU's Titan.
  • Battle starts at a distance of 1 kilometer.
 
since they are different characters, i think they can be equalized to the slowest character here and it did work fine (plus its not like al has much really)

I think they would try to close the distance first cuz i dont remember strange fighting anybody from 1 kilometer away (nor do i think Al will do that)

More importantly, strange does have resistance to Al's looping but does Al know this?
 
Strange has some possible win-conditions:

- BFR via portals or mirror dimension (portals can send Al a multiversal+ distance away, which is beyond what his domain can loop)

- Astral Projection (He can simply punch Al's soul out of his body, which prevents him from dying and incaps him. He could potentially fight/destroy his soul as well)

Strange could potentially figure it out or counter Al's ability. He has extraordinary genius intelligence and even the Ancient One was able to tell when avengers came from the future. He also has multiversal+ range extrasensory perception.

SatellaTheWoE said:
More importantly, strange does have resistance to Al's looping but does Al know this?
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Nope. He does not have the Time Stone in Post-Blip.
 
Phoenks said:
- BFR via portals or mirror dimension (portals can send Al a multiversal+ distance away, which is beyond what his domain can loop)

- Astral Projection (He can simply punch Al's soul out of his body, which prevents him from dying and incaps him. He could potentially fight/destroy his soul as well)

Strange could potentially figure it out or counter Al's ability. He has extraordinary genius intelligence and even the Ancient One was able to tell when avengers came from the future. He also has multiversal+ range extrasensory perception.
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What are Al's wincons then? Not only are these very potent wincons for Strange that Al doesn't really have counters to, but most importantly Strange does resort to using these extremely often (even against people who aren't even out to kill him like Peter)
 
――One-hundred thirty-two-thousand and fourteen.

Alas, over the course of the battle he had repeated over, and over, and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, a battle that nonetheless did not last longer than two minutes on average, Aldebaran had become more proficient.

Aldebaran: [――Your stars were bad.]
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Phoenks said:
- BFR via portals or mirror dimension (portals can send Al a multiversal+ distance away, which is beyond what his domain can loop)
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This works if Strange just leaves him there. BFRing him a few hundred metres away works too since the Domain is an invisible sphere around Al. If killed before he can set up a new Domain he's gone for good.

Phoenks said:
- Astral Projection (He can simply punch Al's soul out of his body, which prevents him from dying and incaps him. He could potentially fight/destroy his soul as well)
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Unlikely to work. If Al got incapped in a way Alter could perceive then Alter would kill him. Destroying Al's soul also just activates the Domain.
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
What are Al's wincons then? Not only are these very potent wincons for Strange that Al doesn't really have counters to, but most importantly Strange does resort to using these extremely often (even against people who aren't even out to kill him like Peter)
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Literally attack that lands on Strange? Lol.

He has 6-B attacks with his Alter-self, and Strange only has 8-C durability.

He's also extremely versatile, intelligent, and has time looping.

Zabazab said:
Unlikely to work. If Al got incapped in a way Alter could perceive then Alter would kill him. Destroying Al's soul also just activates the Domain.
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He'd need some higher level regeneration to survive his soul getting destroyed. Just time manipulation would not work I believe. Soul is pretty absolute in R:Z. And he would only be comparable to Subaru's Low-Godly.
 
Phoenks said:
Literally attack that lands on Strange? Lol.

He has 6-B attacks with his Alter-self, and Strange only has 8-C durability.

He's also extremely versatile, intelligent, and has time looping.
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Strange has attack reflection, he's also far smarter and has the more versatile kit. The time looping is really the only thing and he has answers for that so? What is Al's typical starting shenanigans?
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
Strange has attack reflection, he's also far smarter and has the more versatile kit. The time looping is really the only thing and he has answers for that so? What is Al's typical starting shenanigans?
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None of that terminally prevents Aldeberan from potentially landing a hit on Strange with the dragon, especially if he loops, as then he'll be given foresight on what Strange does. And he has kilometers worth of range with attacks + a LOT of magic.

Like, you can say Strange is more versatile and smarter and such, but Al's win condition is still just landing a single attack. Unless that has a 0% chance of happening (very unlikely), this isn't a stomp.

So, this seems to be a fair matchup.
 
Phoenks said:
He'd need some higher level regeneration to survive his soul getting destroyed. Just time manipulation would not work I believe. Soul is pretty absolute in R:Z. And he would only be comparable to Subaru's Low-Godly.
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Time Manipulation & Immortality (Type 4; Al's Authority allows him to redo events by manually setting a save point shortly beforehand, so that when he dies he goes back to that save point. The Authority essentially allows Al to draw out improbable possibilities through trial and error. This works even within the Castle of Dreams, where it is said death would leave the soul shattered even upon returning to the body.
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Phoenks said:
None of that terminally prevents Aldeberan from potentially landing a hit on Strange with the dragon, especially if he loops, as then he'll be given foresight on what Strange does. And he has kilometers worth of range with attacks + a LOT of magic.

Like, you can say Strange is more versatile and smarter and such, but Al's win condition is still just landing a single attack. Unless that has a 0% chance of happening (very unlikely), this isn't a stomp.
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I never said it was a stomp? I was just asking for what his wincons were, but still, the looping isn't going to be as potent of a surprise since Strange would likely know the same way the Ancient One did as you said earlier. Though maybe the 2v1 is what ends up being the deciding factor here
 
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He does have spatial manipulation, idk why it's not on his profile when it's straight up mentioned in his notable attacks/techniques section
 
What's Al's mentality regarding aggressor here because pre arc 9 he hates it. During arc 9 he learned how to control it and uses it then he can't use it anymore due to Petra.
 
Crimsonobu said:
What's Al's mentality regarding aggressor here because pre arc 9 he hates it. During arc 9 he learned how to control it and uses it then he can't use it anymore due to Petra.
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According to Zab, it is unlikely to be a factor in this match.

Probably because Dr. Strange can just escape it if he wanted to. His dimensional travel has range that is beyond what Al's loops can affect. So he would never end up trapped in a time loop.
 
Phoenks said:
According to Zab, it is unlikely to be a factor in this match.

Probably because Dr. Strange can just escape it if he wanted to. His dimensional travel has range that is beyond what Al's loops can affect. So he would never end up trapped in a time loop
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Petra's compression let's her teleport across the whole world and she can't escape agressor. Al's agressor is also stated to work until the individuals mind breaks or Al undoes it so anything they do in the loop doesn't matter. Though it might be a NLF to assume that his statement is true.
 
Crimsonobu said:
Petra's compression let's her teleport across the whole world and she can't escape agressor. Al's agressor is also stated to work until the individuals mind breaks or Al undoes it so anything they do in the loop doesn't matter. Though it might be a NLF to assume that his statement is true.
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"across the whole world" is not even remotely close to "across an infinite multiverse"

He'd need to be affecting multiple timelines simultaneously with his power to be able to undo that kind of dimensional travel. Since Strange would be exiting his timeline and entering another one.
 
Phoenks said:
"across the whole world" is not even remotely close to "across an infinite multiverse"

He'd need to be affecting multiple timelines simultaneously with his power to be able to undo that kind of dimensional travel. Since Strange would be exiting his timeline and entering another one.
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I meant to illustrate that as aggressor isn't intended to be bound by size and once its activated on the user it targets them forever. Otherwise the story wouldn't say until the victim mind is broken or Al stops. He also wouldn't have to affect multiple timeliness. Once its cast on Al aggressor just follows strange. Aggressor isn't like territory, it doesn't have a domain. Territory is a ability that uses a domain, but the domain isn't the size of the world. Aggressor is a bug that casts an effect on the user.
 
Crimsonobu said:
I meant to illustrate that as aggressor isn't intended to be bound by size and once its activated on the user it targets them forever. Otherwise the story wouldn't say until the victim mind is broken or Al stops. He also wouldn't have to affect multiple timeliness. Once its cast on Al aggressor just follows strange. Aggressor isn't like territory, it doesn't have a domain. Territory is a ability that uses a domain, but the domain isn't the size of the world. Aggressor is a bug that casts an effect on the user.
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I understand that, but the issue is that you can't assume Aggressor would follow Strange and reset the timelines of other universes he has access to. Because if I understand correctly, it is still a time-loop ability. For it to work on Strange after he's gone a multiversal+ distance away, it would need to rewind him despite the change in timeline. Which is not really possible. He'd be completely out of its range.

Also, aggressor would only ever come into play if Al begins to doubt his authority. Why would that happen here?
 
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