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DOOM Discussion Thread
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"Beyond Hell"
Proceeds to have its deities mogged by random thugs/butlers who were empowered
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My two cents: This wasn't a "free" or "fully awakened" version of Xal'Gororth. This was a heavily weakened version because of his entrapment "within the depths of void" at the hands of the ancient wraiths through their deception. That's why he was considered "lost to ancient memory" and "forever lingering beneath the realms of existence" in-lore.
Still very impressive for the DOOM Slayer.
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I noticed this for a long while, but it's most uncanny how much in common Doomslayer has to Tadano Hitonari. And most recent stuff keeps making it even more apparent.
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Nothing really supports that the Xal Goroth that slayer fights is weakened
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My interpretation is based on the fact that Xal'Goroth had been entrapped "within the depths of the void", was "lost to ancient memory", and is described as becoming catastrophic if ever fully awakened. To me, that implies the version encountered wasn't in its ideal or fully realised state.
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Not that short. Years might not have passed between the DLC and base game, but still time has passed, and we know that because everyone is somewhere else compared to where they were at the end of the base game.
Yes, I read the codex, it is besides the point though. The part exploited is the whole thing with his soul, but it doesn't change the fact that the henchman slams and stomps him and KO's him, destroys his armor, and shield. Then the story doubles down on this by having him get the architect to create a new armor/fix the shield to be even stronger.
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It is short, as he still has Ahzrak's wound lol.
It isn't besides the point, as it is a weakness you literally cannot escape the council of six's chamber unless if you are devoid of sin or doubt.
Doomslayer had sinned, which caused him to become weakened and defeatable.
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I reveal to you now the design that brought the Outlander into the halls of the Six, where even he could be made vulnerable.
When Ahzrak wounded the Slayer, it revealed what none before believed possible a fracture buried deep within the heretic's soul. The spear that pierced him had been forged for the Dark Realm alone, fashioned to draw forth memory and hidden pain. The scars of his mortal life endure within him still, buried beneath rage and divinity alike.
Hell's Council required only that he be brought before the all-seeing eyes gathered within their chamber. There, the truths revealed by the spear could be turned inward against him. Within those halls, even the Slayer could be rendered mortal."
"The High Council now presides where Malgareth's throne once stood, their judgments merciless and absolute. Ancient wards built into the very foundation of the chambers allow the Council to look within the souls of all who enter, to craft torment of pain that wreaks havoc within. Only one devoid of sin or doubt could hope to enter the chambers without being crushed by the weight of their trespasses."
The henchman defeated him because of this exact reason. he became "vulnerable" and the henchman is not just an ordinary Demon, he became the councils champion, empowered by all six of them.
Matter of fact, the Slayers stats will be upgraded due to the DLC.
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Just completed the main story of the DLC. Had a lot of fun. Even more fast-paced than before. Time for the Master Levels.
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You're not really engaging with my argument here. The slayer's bad memories doesn't change the slayer's actual durability, or the slayers armor's durability, or the shield's durability. If it really did, Ahzrak would've killed him.
All of this is besides the point. We know it is. The shield needed to be reforged in stages, and the armor needed to be superpowered to where it is now.
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You don't have an argument?...
Read the codex, it's not hard to comprehend, they normally would not be able to defeat him under normal circumstances which is very explicitly stated.
"The slayer is now vulnerable" "Mortal" meaning it's not just something emotional, but affects him physically.
We don't know 100% as to why, we know that he is. Anything else is irrelevant to the argument.
Shields durability is irrelevant, so is the armor as it's not the Praetor suit. Ahzrak was capable of breaking his helmet as well, means absolutely nothing.
It's about the Slayer himself, his armor needed to be broken for him to need new armor and the Praetor suit.
And he evidently can fight perfectly fine without it, something which we also knew, the Sentinel gear was nothing special either.'
It's his own power that is special, and now his gear is too.
Read the codex, it's not hard to comprehend, they normally would not be able to defeat him under normal circumstances which is very explicitly stated.
"The slayer is now vulnerable" "Mortal" meaning it's not just something emotional, but affects him physically.
We don't know 100% as to why, we know that he is. Anything else is irrelevant to the argument.
Shields durability is irrelevant, so is the armor as it's not the Praetor suit. Ahzrak was capable of breaking his helmet as well, means absolutely nothing.
It's about the Slayer himself, his armor needed to be broken for him to need new armor and the Praetor suit.
And he evidently can fight perfectly fine without it, something which we also knew, the Sentinel gear was nothing special either.'
It's his own power that is special, and now his gear is too.
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Rip & Tear - Until It Is Done
The DOOM TDA Revelations tracks are so good lol.
