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Pokemon Discussion Thread - Red & Blue arc
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https://vsbattles.com/threads/self-evident-intelligence-revisions-thread.133518/post-7773118
Ive applied to change Ash's Intelligence rating on his page via the self-evident intelligence thread (ExtrGenius to Gifted). If anyones got thoughts or objections then lmk within 24hours cause its got the go ahead
Ive applied to change Ash's Intelligence rating on his page via the self-evident intelligence thread (ExtrGenius to Gifted). If anyones got thoughts or objections then lmk within 24hours cause its got the go ahead
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Did the changes get reverted?
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Random, but Wailord's page appears to be incorrect. It is currently listed at 7-A because it apparently "swallows schools of Wishiwashi whole", and seeing as the Solo Form of Wishiwashi is "Below Average Human", I'm assuming the implication is that Wailord swallows Schooling Form Wishiwashi. This does not appear to be the case looking at the Pokedex.
Wailord dex entry in Pokemon Sun:
Wailord pursue their prey in pods. With their large mouths, they can swallow entire schools of Wishiwashi whole.
Wailord dex entry in Pokemon Ultra Sun:
They eat so many fish Pokémon that when Wailord become too numerous, fishermen have to chase them off.
The Alola dex entries for Wailord demonstrate that the defining traits being emphasized are Wailord's huge mouth and volume of prey; that is to say, opening its mouth to consume an entire school of fish in one bite. Wishiwashi 'schools' do not always refer to the powerful form of the same name, and can be and have been used to refer to a typical gathering of Wishiwashi.
Wishiwashi dex entry in Ultra Moon:
Called “demon of the sea” by some, when Wishiwashi are injured in battle and their numbers dwindle, they become a regular school.
Schooling Form is also called a 'formation' by the Pokedex, indicating this is not just the result of schooling, but of the Wishiwashi coming together and assembling into the Schooling Form.
Wishiwashi Dex entry in Ultra Sun:
Wishiwashi assemble in this formation to face off against strong foes. It boasts a strength that earned it the name “demon of the sea.”
New Pokemon Snap also directly depicts Wailord attempting to swallow a school of Solo Form Wishiwashi, then being chased away when they assemble into the Schooling Form. Subsequently, I think Wailord scaling to Schooling Form Wishiwashi is... not accurate
Wailord dex entry in Pokemon Sun:
Wailord pursue their prey in pods. With their large mouths, they can swallow entire schools of Wishiwashi whole.
Wailord dex entry in Pokemon Ultra Sun:
They eat so many fish Pokémon that when Wailord become too numerous, fishermen have to chase them off.
The Alola dex entries for Wailord demonstrate that the defining traits being emphasized are Wailord's huge mouth and volume of prey; that is to say, opening its mouth to consume an entire school of fish in one bite. Wishiwashi 'schools' do not always refer to the powerful form of the same name, and can be and have been used to refer to a typical gathering of Wishiwashi.
Wishiwashi dex entry in Ultra Moon:
Called “demon of the sea” by some, when Wishiwashi are injured in battle and their numbers dwindle, they become a regular school.
Schooling Form is also called a 'formation' by the Pokedex, indicating this is not just the result of schooling, but of the Wishiwashi coming together and assembling into the Schooling Form.
Wishiwashi Dex entry in Ultra Sun:
Wishiwashi assemble in this formation to face off against strong foes. It boasts a strength that earned it the name “demon of the sea.”
New Pokemon Snap also directly depicts Wailord attempting to swallow a school of Solo Form Wishiwashi, then being chased away when they assemble into the Schooling Form. Subsequently, I think Wailord scaling to Schooling Form Wishiwashi is... not accurate
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I've thought about the exact same thing, but it doesn't really matter because Wailord is Mountain+ while School Form Wishiwashi is Large Mountain. The Pokecology book shows the same thing
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Is this one of the leaked images or do you have the book?
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I don't have the book
AyOgUyS
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Archeops jumpscare
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congrats?
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Its Pokemon TCG Live, got the maximum rank on the ladder, feels neat
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So I think I've realized a funny thing - TM and HM moves could be treated as a separate optional ability tabber.
See, in ORAS (which I am playing) you can catch Pokemon in the wild that have a unique move that they cannot naturally learn. This means that Pokemon have an innate capacity for a variety of moves and could technically use all forms of attack if they tried to learn it. To give an example, I have a Poochyena that knows Thunder Fang, something it doesn't learn under normal circumstances.
This is further supported by giveaway pokemon that have unique moves and Alpha Pokemon that have TM moves.
In short, I honestly think we should at least include these moves separately in the future, as in like the optional equipment tab.
See, in ORAS (which I am playing) you can catch Pokemon in the wild that have a unique move that they cannot naturally learn. This means that Pokemon have an innate capacity for a variety of moves and could technically use all forms of attack if they tried to learn it. To give an example, I have a Poochyena that knows Thunder Fang, something it doesn't learn under normal circumstances.
This is further supported by giveaway pokemon that have unique moves and Alpha Pokemon that have TM moves.
In short, I honestly think we should at least include these moves separately in the future, as in like the optional equipment tab.
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There's also Egg Moves and Move Tutor type moves.
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it'd be a job for way later but considering that in we could make profiles a lot more versatile.
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And I didn't even bring up event moves such as Growth for Eevee since they're a weird situation. As well as rewards like Pikachu learning Surf.
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In the past they were used if I recall
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Does Palkia ever use its true form to fight?
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AyOgUyS
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oooo ditto! :000
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Hm. Watching more, it might be an issue with Ditto copying attack animations in how the game works?
Though there's other stuff like, instead of explding its own head to copy Blacephalon's Mind Blown, Ditto makes a new head & tosses it.
Or for Dragon Darts, it uses energy instead of Dreepy, uses a beam of ice instead of the lance in Glacial Lance.
It doesn't do stuff like Pyro Ball's setup of kicking a pebble around.
Though there is neat stuff like it using Thundercage via a projectile instead of going above the opponent, as well as not going into the sky like Eternatus does to use Eternabeam.
Oh, & Ditto's version of Zacian's is broken; Skips the build up, no animation on the body & it visibly clips into the floor.
Oh, & apparently, when Cramorant faints while in the Gorging form, whatever was in its beak spills out (Though Ditto can't switch between base & Gorging form; Its stuck as whichever it copies.) spills out. Normally, players can't see this animation because Cramorant will be recalled to its Poke Ball by the trainer if it's the player's, & for a wild one to use it, you have to get the wild one to use Surf or Dive, which is often more of a hassle than just setting it up with a wild Ditto.
Though there's other stuff like, instead of explding its own head to copy Blacephalon's Mind Blown, Ditto makes a new head & tosses it.
Or for Dragon Darts, it uses energy instead of Dreepy, uses a beam of ice instead of the lance in Glacial Lance.
It doesn't do stuff like Pyro Ball's setup of kicking a pebble around.
Though there is neat stuff like it using Thundercage via a projectile instead of going above the opponent, as well as not going into the sky like Eternatus does to use Eternabeam.
Oh, & Ditto's version of Zacian's is broken; Skips the build up, no animation on the body & it visibly clips into the floor.
Oh, & apparently, when Cramorant faints while in the Gorging form, whatever was in its beak spills out (Though Ditto can't switch between base & Gorging form; Its stuck as whichever it copies.) spills out. Normally, players can't see this animation because Cramorant will be recalled to its Poke Ball by the trainer if it's the player's, & for a wild one to use it, you have to get the wild one to use Surf or Dive, which is often more of a hassle than just setting it up with a wild Ditto.
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Pokemon HGSS>= Pokemon B2W2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all other mainline pokemon games especially Diamond and Pearl. (This only include games from gba till 3ds)
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I doubt they do more than wall level collateral
AyOgUyS
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Maybe the anime provides us with better showings?
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I think it originates from the Game Theory video that Ash is a bad Pokémon trainer and would lose against a competitive player... when it's the other way around.
I haven't seen the video, but apparently they focus a lot on the early seasons (when Ash is a mediocre trainer) instead of everything else. It's just that everyone, and their mothers, knows they're wrong.
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TBH it does weird me out a bit that the act of switching out is rather uncommon in general, when it's done all the time in the games as far competitive stuff goes, and this seems to be done on purpose as Baton Pass is infamously broken yet very rarely seen in non-game media. I could unironically see Ash struggling against a Baton Pass team.
That said, what stops hot garbage like Sing + SmashPass Smeargle or anything involving entry hazards + phazing from roaming around is that teaching moves outside the games is much harder as it's not as simple as pressing buttons in a menu or going around very specific bits of a given region in seconds (Fly is even illegal to be used this way in some regions like Alola).
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Who knows, it would probably be difficult, but even so, victory isn't necessarily guaranteed.
Ash's biggest advantage is that it's a real-time battle. For example: Anasbel vs. Ash:
"His confused Corphish lands an attack on an Alakazam purely by luck, and while Alakazam is in the air, Ash returns Corphish to its Poké Ball to remove the confusion and sends it out again before the opponent hits the ground, delivering the finishing blow immediately."
Or that accuracy doesn't affect battles much, even if it exists. If Ash yells "dodge it," there's a good chance his Pokémon will, which prevents spamming an attack from always working.
If your Phasing Attack is special, it can dodge it. If it's Dragon Tail, it's probably enough to counter it with Iron Tail. If it's special, it can probably just attack it harder and ignore it.
And then there's Taurossh*t as a counter shield, apparently able to neutralize things like Cynthia's Spiritum's Hypnosis.
Bobsican
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Yeah, there being dynamic interactions in real time, in turn adding more factors at play, make the practicality of stuff quite different. Which reminds me of No Guard being quite an interesting topic as how it works in-universe is left surprisingly dubious, as its effect implies that it'd force a more turn-based-like approach from both sides.
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Nah, I'd easily beat Ash.
