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Now that i think about it, doesn't Boruto using uzuhiko in the kara-dimension indicate that the Kara dimension is at least a solar system sized dimension, as uzuhiko requires both rotational and orbital forces?
It actually proves it since we know that he needs the orbital force for uzuhiko to work the question is who gets the feat,I don't think we have a direct statement saying that isshiki created said dimension. Or does it exist?
 
These are their strongest ranged attacks, they also can be their fastest ranged attacks ,cant it?
Uh, that's not really relevant to what I said?
İ mean ashura mode rasenshuriken also tied with indras arrow so for me they potrayed as equal in speed
Yeah, when two characters are clashing that's fine, but it's different when they're coordinating to intentionally attack a target at the same time
 
Uh, that's not really relevant to what I said?

Yeah, when two characters are clashing that's fine, but it's different when they're coordinating to intentionally attack a target at the same time
İ mean rasenshuriken always potrayed as fast as susanoo arrow
Atleast for me
 
Why is that?
Because Boruto training + Kama Power and Experience is what gave Boruto his 4B rating due to scaling to No Limiters Kawaki who has Isshiki power. Momoshiki Kama is a subset of Boruto overall strength. Momoshiki doesn't scale to Isshiki in no way or form in the scaling chain to Isshiki unless if he uses Boruto body.
 
Someone needs to Fix Madara's Hax section, its look like dog sh*t. It's disorganized and lacks panels/links
 
Someone needs to Fix Madara's Hax section, its look like dog sh*t. It's disorganized and lacks panels/links
Honestly, true. Madara and Orochimaru need the same treatment that Itachi and Tsunade got.
 
The descriptions of the FTL speed ratings are very superficial and nothing is understandable. Is anyone thinking of creating a small explanatory blog or something for this? For example, how do they get 10c, 28c, 280c? I think it comes from the Power Multipliers, but it's not really explained in the profiles or on the main page.
 
İ mean rasenshuriken always potrayed as fast as susanoo arrow
Atleast for me
Not really for the regular version. SM Naruto physically scales to or above Tendo, and Tendo could dodge his Rasenshuriken at point blank range.
The descriptions of the FTL speed ratings are very superficial and nothing is understandable. Is anyone thinking of creating a small explanatory blog or something for this? For example, how do they get 10c, 28c, 280c? I think it comes from the Power Multipliers, but it's not really explained in the profiles or on the main page.
A verse page update is being worked on, although it's on a bit of a hiatus afaik
 
The descriptions of the FTL speed ratings are very superficial and nothing is understandable. Is anyone thinking of creating a small explanatory blog or something for this? For example, how do they get 10c, 28c, 280c? I think it comes from the Power Multipliers, but it's not really explained in the profiles or on the main page.
İ tried so hard to find 28c scaling and then i just saw its came from kido's 1000x amp and im not sure its true
İ cant find 10 x i just know it been here for a while
280 c is just came from ishiki become 10 x faster than jigens speed ,due to kashin kojis words

The verse page is the worst page
 
The descriptions of the FTL speed ratings are very superficial and nothing is understandable. Is anyone thinking of creating a small explanatory blog or something for this? For example, how do they get 10c, 28c, 280c? I think it comes from the Power Multipliers, but it's not really explained in the profiles or on the main page.
Okay so basically.
The regular FTL (1c) ones.
Mifune has a light speed sword slash attack.
FKS Sasuke with 3T Sharingan reacted and dodged that light speed attack. This is calced at Rel+ reaction speed. But it should be noted his perception speed would be Sol too here.
FKS Sasuke with MS should have immensely superior reaction/perception speeds than 3T. Especially given the kind of shit Itachi can pull off with Tsukuyomi.
V2 Raikage blitzes FKS MS Sasuke. Sasuke couldn't even his perceive his movements, the one with vastly superior eyes to the ones that already tracked and dodged a light speed sword slash. This scales to every other ninja on his level.

The FTL+ scaling is just Multipliers. Kido's tailed beast drug (apparently) multiplies his speed by orders of magnitudes. And before that he already scales to "elite ninja"/"relevant character" speed tier of 0.028c (see Kakashi's False Darkness Calc). Sakura keeps up with Kido later on. Kido also thinks Kakashi is a big threat. They both scale to that rating. Six Paths Boruto characters should outspeed this by a comical margin. This also gets backscaled to Shippuden via Kaguya (who should be about as fast as Momoshiki)
 
Also I think Kido's 1000x amp scaling only makes sense because we previously already have SoL / FTL feats (Sasuke dodging a light speed sword slash, Kirin being light speed (can still be perceived by sick Itachi apparently), Madara's light fang, Night Guy literally bending space time (not calculable really but its relativistic adjacent)) that should be exceeded by Six Paths/Otsutsuki characters by a comically high margin (see One Eye Madara Blitzing Edo SM Minato). Otherwise it would be an outlier I think.
 
Kido was a thing before all that (except Madara's stuff) but yeah, it was an easier pill to swallow because the people who scaled to that were already FTL
Also, Kido's stuff only led to 9c at the start
 
İ tried so hard to find 28c scaling and then i just saw its came from kido's 1000x amp and im not sure its true
İ cant find 10 x i just know it been here for a while
280 c is just came from ishiki become 10 x faster than jigens speed ,due to kashin kojis words

The verse page is the worst page
Not just Koji words there's a databook entry in vjump that state the isshiki is a magnitude faster than jigen
 
Wait a second.

Kido is a top tier Root member. So he should be one of the strongest Shinobis in Konoha besides the Kage tier guys. That makes him 7-B+ if not 7-A. Which is fine.

But he's presumably just a normal human. No special bloodlines or anything. Just exceptionally skilled and rich 🤔

What's more interesting is the Tailed Beast Drug. Which is made by harvesting Naruto's leftover DNA in the Valley of the End along with "body of a a descendant of Hagoromo Otsutsuki" (could easily mean any of the random dead Uzumakis/Senjus/Uchihas lmao). When Kido consumed one of these things, he apparently becomes ONE THOUSAND TIMES STRONGER. His jutsus (the bear trap ration) also became one thousand times faster.

This is a normal, if exceptionally skilled, human, eating a Tailed Beast Drug that logically shouldn't give power anywhere near that of an actual Bijuu. It's made of leftover Naruto and corpse DNA. As far as we know, it doesn't contain any actual Bijuu Chakra. It's mass produced for crying out loud.

Actual Jinchurikis are often the absolute top tier Shinobis of their village (they have to be to survive) AND they have actual Bijuus sealed in them. With Bee's V2 Bijuu state being directly stated to have the power of a Bijuu in a human body. Logically this should someone like V2 Bee, who has direct cooperation with Eight Tails and has full access to his powers, would out scale TBD Kido by an extreme margin. Who is a "normal" Anbu/Root guy and is using a drug that "replicates" Bijuu power.

And for strength it does. TBD Kido going by multipliers would be in the 6-C+ to baseline High 6-C range. But speed is another matter. Going of our current ratings, Kido would blitz V2 Bee by an absurd margin. Literally 28x faster. This doesn't make any sense. Am I missing something? 🤔
 
Oh no he doesn’t but it should still be looked at that Momoshiki’s power is heavily needed so that should warrant something
 
Wait a second.

Kido is a top tier Root member. So he should be one of the strongest Shinobis in Konoha besides the Kage tier guys. That makes him 7-B+ if not 7-A. Which is fine.

But he's presumably just a normal human. No special bloodlines or anything. Just exceptionally skilled and rich 🤔

What's more interesting is the Tailed Beast Drug. Which is made by harvesting Naruto's leftover DNA in the Valley of the End along with "body of a a descendant of Hagoromo Otsutsuki" (could easily mean any of the random dead Uzumakis/Senjus/Uchihas lmao). When Kido consumed one of these things, he apparently becomes ONE THOUSAND TIMES STRONGER. His jutsus (the bear trap ration) also became one thousand times faster.

This is a normal, if exceptionally skilled, human, eating a Tailed Beast Drug that logically shouldn't give power anywhere near that of an actual Bijuu. It's made of leftover Naruto and corpse DNA. As far as we know, it doesn't contain any actual Bijuu Chakra. It's mass produced for crying out loud.

Actual Jinchurikis are often the absolute top tier Shinobis of their village (they have to be to survive) AND they have actual Bijuus sealed in them. With Bee's V2 Bijuu state being directly stated to have the power of a Bijuu in a human body. Logically this should someone like V2 Bee, who has direct cooperation with Eight Tails and has full access to his powers, would out scale TBD Kido by an extreme margin. Who is a "normal" Anbu/Root guy and is using a drug that "replicates" Bijuu power.

And for strength it does. TBD Kido going by multipliers would be in the 6-C+ to baseline High 6-C range. But speed is another matter. Going of our current ratings, Kido would blitz V2 Bee by an absurd margin. Literally 28x faster. This doesn't make any sense. Am I missing something? 🤔
İf you think that way you can find many issues in fiction
Kage's in boruto are able to beat jubiidara easily, is it seem right to you?
Almost everyone in boruto are able to blitz killer B v2
 
İf you think that way you can find many issues in fiction
Yep
Kage's in boruto are able to beat jubiidara easily, is it seem right to you?
No they can't. They very very vaguely scale physically above him if even that (Darui literally fails to tag offguard Momoshiki twice and gets his surprise double handed attack blocked by Momoshiki with a single hand).

Juubidara still absolutely hax and skill stomps their ass even 4v1. Even 5v1 if you include Shikamaru as the hokage instead of Naruto
 
I wonder if there's any canonical explanation on how the Kages got so strong lmao. Like the hell did Darui do to be able to stomp Hashirama?
 
Yep

No they can't. They very very vaguely scale physically above him if even that (Darui literally fails to tag offguard Momoshiki twice and gets his surprise double handed attack blocked by Momoshiki with a single hand).

Juubidara still absolutely hax and skill stomps their ass even 4v1. Even 5v1 if you include Shikamaru as the hokage instead of Naruto
Thisss.. Darui didn't do shit to base Momoshiki. Even for Kinshiki you could argue off-guard/ dura neg for most of what the kages did.
 
Okay so basically.
The regular FTL (1c) ones.
Mifune has a light speed sword slash attack.
FKS Sasuke with 3T Sharingan reacted and dodged that light speed attack. This is calced at Rel+ reaction speed. But it should be noted his perception speed would be Sol too here.
FKS Sasuke with MS should have immensely superior reaction/perception speeds than 3T. Especially given the kind of shit Itachi can pull off with Tsukuyomi.
V2 Raikage blitzes FKS MS Sasuke. Sasuke couldn't even his perceive his movements, the one with vastly superior eyes to the ones that already tracked and dodged a light speed sword slash. This scales to every other ninja on his level.

The FTL+ scaling is just Multipliers. Kido's tailed beast drug (apparently) multiplies his speed by orders of magnitudes. And before that he already scales to "elite ninja"/"relevant character" speed tier of 0.028c (see Kakashi's False Darkness Calc). Sakura keeps up with Kido later on. Kido also thinks Kakashi is a big threat. They both scale to that rating. Six Paths Boruto characters should outspeed this by a comical margin. This also gets backscaled to Shippuden via Kaguya (who should be about as fast as Momoshiki)
someone needs to do a speed scaling blog or smth 😭
 
Even you guys cant find why they are
We can
This is the least documented one but it comes from downscaling from Kaguya and Toneri. Characters like Madara and WA Naruto are not equal to her but close enough to downscale to baseline FTL+
Kido multiplier.
Kakashi outspeeding is 0.028 c -> base Kido scales to it -> kyubi Kido is said to be at least 1000x faster = 28 c -> Naruto and others are superior to him
Jigen and his rods scale above Naruto who's 28 c and Isshikis rods are said to be an order of magnitude superior so they're 280 c.
Someone need to fix it
It'll be better composed in the new verse page that's almost finished, people are just busy.
 
Kido multiplier.
Kakashi outspeeding is 0.028 c -> base Kido scales to it -> kyubi Kido is said to be at least 1000x faster = 28 c -> Naruto and others are superior to him
Kido doesnt have 28c in his profile Plus I heard that 1000x faster Kido comes from Novel, is that canon?
 
Brah, what are you even on about?
I'm going to defend Naruto against a friend, but since I don't know anything about Naruto speed, I went to vsbw and after hours of researching, I couldn't find anything. So I'm asking you guys for help. Oh, and I'm also mentioning that the profiles are in bad shape
 
Because Jigen and his rods were 28 c before and now they're 10x that…?

Kido doesn't have a profile.
Oh you mean Tsumiki one sorry. And you didnt said its 10x. I cant read your mind

Now, let's see if I understood correctly.

Some characters are 10c because they Speedblitzed by 28c characters, and FTL+'s base speed level is 10c?

Some characters are 28c because in a novel whose canon status isn't clear, one character is said to be 1000 times faster?

Some characters are 280c because one character much faster than a 28c character?
 
Oh you mean Tsumiki one sorry. And you didnt said its 10x. I cant read your mind
Orders of magnitude go by 10x
Now, let's see if I understood correctly.

Some characters are 10c because they Speedblitzed by 28c characters, and FTL+'s base speed level is 10c?
10 c is basically irrelevant to the general scaling.
Some characters are 28c because in a novel whose canon status isn't clear, one character is said to be 1000 times faster?
No?
The canonicity is clear.
And it's not just "some" characters, it's the top tiers in shippuden and characters who scale above them.
Some characters are 280c because one character much faster than a 28c character?
Specifically BM Naruto and Isshikis/Kawakis rods are 280 c because they're stated to be 10x superior to Jigens who was at least 28 c
 
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