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(STAFF ONLY) Issues with Seven Deadly Sins 4-B rating

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I do agree plus we don't really know what chaos created in totality(single intention), since it was stated he was born among the stars in an already existing Universe. so maybe it created other stuffs(without including races).

Edit: still agree with it being universal at least though.
 
Yeah sorry we try to work on the profiles
Then bug people. Several staff will answer rando calls to threads, it's how I get WoW CRTs passed despite solo supporting it pretty much.

But I'll take further discussion of this to walls, since, y'know, derailing.
 
I do agree plus we don't really know what chaos created in totality(single intention), since it was stated he was born among the stars in an already existing Universe. so maybe it created other stuffs(without including races).
Cath with partial Chaos created Neo camelot (4-A dimension 4-B per sec) and channeled ALL of her Chaos powers into a shield
 
I'm going by page. They put that scan.


That sounds like a thought.


Seems like an issue right? So why does Merlin speak of them as a balance, and say DK and SD were going to seal Chaos, and then say that isn't enough, one or the other has to be destroyed? That comes off like they are narratively comparable.


Okay what chapter do we see him creating the dimension? That calc isn't on page either. Just DK's calc.


But the only character who is tier 5 is Behemoth and apparently the DK was needed to fight that, when it was wreaking havoc in the demo world they were all afraid.
The pages aren’t up to date. That’s partially our bad.

She speaks like that because the seal on Chaos is gone without them, has nothing to do them being comparable.

We had a calc for Camelot’s creation recently, I’d have to look for it.

Tier 5 creation by simply existing, not inherently it’s absolute limits.
 
Yall genuinely need to chill out, you've been warned already. Anyone keeps up with taking shots or making other unnecessary remarks will be reported in RVR since this is like the second or third warning given in this thread.


I'd also recommend summary post be made instead of continously clogging the thread with endless back and forth
 
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If Cath Channeled the entirety of the magic that created a 4-B dimension EASILY inside of the shield then it becomes ???
I never anything about that either?


I feel like you missed the whole point.
This would have been fine had the feat and tier themselves not been on shaky grounds, you can't derive evidence and scaling from something that's being questioned and scrutinised to justify it, that's bordering on circular reasoning? well it's a form of circular justification ig
The scaling the feat gives is being disputed because it in itself isn't enough for the tier due to its nature (Being a creation feat whose tier is an outlier for the verse and has many anti statements) from what I can read?


Edit: Since this derails the crt I will be dropping it until it gets addressed in one, sorry for clogging the thread
 
The pages aren’t up to date. That’s partially our bad.

She speaks like that because the seal on Chaos is gone without them, has nothing to do them being comparable.

We had a calc for Camelot’s creation recently, I’d have to look for it.

Tier 5 creation by simply existing, not inherently it’s absolute limits.
Is the seal magic?
 
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Sounds like most of these dimensions aren't even country sized.
Many of them have starry night skies, it lists this on Arthur’s profile.
Both Anfwyn and Cain Pendragon’s realm have this on panel.
 
I asked the thread to be moved to the staff board. It's now staff only. This wasn't on my plans, but considering what happened in the last 5 pages, it had to be done. SomebodyData moved it to me and gave me his permission for this thread to be a staff only thread.
 
Yall genuinely need to chill out, you've been warned already. Anyone keepsnup with taking shots or making other unnecessary remakes will be reported in RVR since this is like the second or third warning given in this thread.


I'd also recommend summary post be made instead of continously clogging the thread with endless back and forth
I made multiple summary posts but i’ll do it again.

Cath ate Chaos partially then created Neo Camelot a dimension that specifically is composed of existing materials with said Chaos Magic.

The dimension holds multiple starry skies and was calculated to be 4-B per sec by @Demon_Lord18 calculation was accepted.

Cath then proceeded to channel the entirety of his Chaos powers inside a shield that was damaged by Meliodas and Ban and one shotted by Hawk.

Channeling the entirety of the magic that did create a 4-B space effortlessly would make the Crystal scale to partial Chaos.

OP is using statements from Cath that talks about « wiping britannia from the face of earth » as a limit while Behemoth someone weaker than Cath by a huge margin almost destroyed Makai by waking up from his sleep.

Also, Chaos created an infinite space filled with infinite magic, Lancelot destroyed it by drinking it in it’s entirety.

Cath stated that with complete Chaos he would destroy all existing forms by eating everything (it’s powers have infinite and interdimensional range)

Edit: my bad I honestly didn’t see the message about the thread being moved to staff threads I was writing before the message was posted
 
I made multiple summary posts but i’ll do it again.

Cath ate Chaos partially then created Neo Camelot a dimension that specifically is composed of existing materials with said Chaos Magic.

The dimension holds multiple starry skies and was calculated to be 4-B per sec by @Demon_Lord18 calculation was accepted.

Cath then proceeded to channel the entirety of his Chaos powers inside a shield that was damaged by Meliodas and Ban and one shotted by Hawk.

Channeling the entirety of the magic that did create a 4-B space effortlessly would make the Crystal scale to partial Chaos.

OP is using statements from Cath that talks about « wiping britannia from the face of earth » as a limit while Behemoth someone weaker than Cath by a huge margin almost destroyed Makai by waking up from his sleep.

Also, Chaos created an infinite space filled with infinite magic, Lancelot destroyed it by drinking it in it’s entirety.

Cath stated that with complete Chaos he would destroy all existing forms by eating everything (it’s powers have infinite and interdimensional range)
Make sure you link where you were given perms to comment anytime you do btw.

For now I'll give you perms for this comment since you did respond to my saying make a summary earlier
 
Schmol cat UwU cause magic channeled through shield 👉🏻👈🏻 (•~•)

Big scawy cat cause shield destroyed and got Chaos magic back 😱
This doesn’t answer the main argument tho.


Cath partially ate Chaos, created a 4-A dimension from existing material (calculated via normal means) accepted as 4-B per sec.
Let’s say UES is nuked, Cath would then only scale via his magic with Creation but not physically.

But Cath formed a shield using ALL of it’s Chaos magic which then translate into the chanelling of the energy system and would grant him durability on par with it’s magic because it was channeled ENTIRELY in it.

Using tier 6 statements to Call outliers while weaker characters are casual tier 5 busters is still not an argument.


So what exactly is the debunk to this argument? Maybe I missed it

From what I understand, the justification is that Cath ate some of Chaos, and then created a Tier 4 structure (aka Tier 4 with Creation/Reality Warping(?)). Cath later then used all of Chaos' said magic to form a shield. Why wouldn't said shield be Tier 4? I've been following this thread very loosely bc of work, so if the OP or anybody in support of the OP can answer this, I'd appreciate it
 
So what exactly is the debunk to this argument? Maybe I missed it

From what I understand, the justification is that Cath ate some of Chaos, and then created a Tier 4 structure (aka Tier 4 with Creation/Reality Warping(?)). Cath later then used all of Chaos' said magic to form a shield. Why wouldn't said shield be Tier 4? I've been following this thread very loosely bc of work, so if the OP or anybody in support of the OP can answer this, I'd appreciate it
When I make a thread about Cath and Chaos, maybe I can address that. My OP is about the Demon King and UES.
 
Oh my God bro there is NO 4-B SHIELD. You’re getting 4-B because you’re acting like the creation feat is somehow legit and scales to her magic

Cath CHARGING UP an attack has 6-B potency

The shield did NOT withstood a 4-A attack, there is nothing in the SDS verse that has this energy. You’re taking a creation feat and saying it applies to her shield like Nakaba didn’t make Cath a 6-B character

Damn dude
I'm interrupting, but Cath is using Chaos magic. Just to remind you, Chaos creates an infinite reservoir of magic, an infinite lake of water. The water in this lake is so pure and dense with magic that it has a mass and increases the physical strength of whoever drinks it. So, there doesn't seem to be any problem with scaling Cath.
 
Hello guys, Nierre gave me permission to talk here.

OP fails to realise that adressing UES and DK calc won’t nuke tier 4 NNT unless he can adress this:
made multiple summary posts but i’ll do it again.

Cath ate Chaos partially then created Neo Camelot a dimension that specifically is composed of existing materials with said Chaos Magic.

The dimension holds multiple starry skies and was calculated to be 4-B per sec by @Demon_Lord18calculation was accepted.

Cath then proceeded to channel the entirety of his Chaos powers inside a shield that was damaged by Meliodas and Ban and one shotted by Hawk.

Channeling the entirety of the magic that did create a 4-B space effortlessly would make the Crystal scale to partial Chaos.

OP is using statements from Cath that talks about « wiping britannia from the face of earth » as a limit while Behemoth someone weaker than Cath by a huge margin almost destroyed Makai by waking up from his sleep.

Also, Chaos created an infinite space filled with infinite magic, Lancelot destroyed it by drinking it in it’s entirety.

Cath stated that with complete Chaos he would destroy all existing forms by eating everything (it’s powers have infinite and interdimensional range)

Edit: my bad I honestly didn’t see the message about the thread being moved to staff threads I was writing before the message was posted
The profiles are massively outdated but still the reasoning for Chaos Arthur (Cath) is about Neo Camelot.

at least Multi-Solar System level, likely High Universal level, possibly Universe level+ with Chaos (He created Camelot with a starry sky in a short time.

And he still channeled every single ounce of the Chaos that easily created a calculated and accepted 4-B per sec amount of energy inside of the shield Meliodas Ban King Diane could damage and Hawk could one tap
 
Hello guys, Nierre gave me permission to talk here.

OP fails to realise that adressing UES and DK calc won’t nuke tier 4 NNT unless he can adress this:

The profiles are massively outdated but still the reasoning for Chaos Arthur (Cath) is about Neo Camelot.



And he still channeled every single ounce of the Chaos that easily created a calculated and accepted 4-B per sec amount of energy inside of the shield Meliodas Ban King Diane could damage and Hawk could one tap
Assuming this is legitimate, wouldn't that still be the only legitimate tier 4 feat without UES, and doesn't that fall under the category of being an outlier, which the OP emphasizes on?

Like Myraid said, you're using a flawed premise to counter an argument against the original premise, which makes this a circular argument.
This is basically just;
A: This is tier 4
B: No it’s an outlier in comparison to the characters regular capabilities
A again: It’s not an outlier because it is tier 4

So the criticism hasn’t really been addressed, at least not all. You just restated the original claim stylishly.
 
Me: Prove that the entirety of his powers were in the shield
No. answer
I answered countless times, « all the Chaos housed within me pecome the strongest of Shields to protect me »

Then reverting in his base form pre Chaos absorption inside the shield.

The characters obviously are not scaling to that value otherwise they'd be having "likely High Universe level, possibly Universe level+" on their profiles as well.
Outdated, only complete Chaos was supposed to get said rating at that time we didn’t know Arthur was Cath.

Assuming this is legitimate, wouldn't that still be the only legitimate tier 4 feat without UES, and doesn't that fall under the category of being an outlier, which the OP emphasizes on?
Lancelot physically drank H 3-A lvls of water that amps physicals.

Cath stated that once united with Chaos he would be able to destroy all forms by eating them (infinite interdimensional range)

Using a tier 6 statement from Cath when people weaker are casual planet busters is pretty bad imo

Like Myraid said, you're using a flawed premise to counter an argument against the original premise, which makes this a circular argument.
This is basically just;
A: This is tier 4
B: No it’s an outlier in comparison to the characters regular capabilities
A again: It’s not an outlier because it is tier 4

So the criticism hasn’t really been addressed, at least not all. You just restated the original claim stylishly.
I gave multiple feats about characters physically destroying or being able to structures bigger than tier 4

Also, DK SD and Fairy Tree have the same tier 4 creation feats tier 4 output isn’t an outlier channeling it’s power entirely would qualify
 
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Lancelot physically drank H 3-A lvls of water that amps physicals.
I don’t need to point out how absurd that is. Lancelot is not physically High 3-A pre or post absorption. If we assume he did that feat physically, that would mean he has infinite lifting strength and High 3-A strength prior to even absorbing the magic, which isn’t supported in the series. That’s why the feat is labeled as absorption/ingestion in his profile per this thread.

So this doesn’t provide any consistency for 4-B physicals.
Cath stated that once united with Chaos he would be able to destroy all forms by eating them (infinite interdimensional range)
Can you provide scans for this? And why is this a physical feat, or rather, why should it scale to his physical strength?
 
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Alright, I feel like there's some confusion here either way I will give my two cents on this.
OP fails to realise that adressing UES and DK calc won’t nuke tier 4 NNT unless he can adress this:
Alright l will break this into two parts,
Cath ate Chaos partially then created Neo Camelot a dimension that specifically is composed of existing materials with said Chaos Magic.

The dimension holds multiple starry skies and was calculated to be 4-B per sec by @Demon_Lord18calculation was accepted.
So firstly where's the calculation ? I don't see it linked anywhere ?
It's not in the category and not on the verse page, it's not on their profile either. You could at least link us this calculation.
Well whatever,
I assume this is the calc.
Now this doesn't exactly give everyone 4-B or shouldn't scale to anyone at all....
The entire premise of the OP was based on the lack of feats and how 4-B is an detached outlier that shouldn't scale because the verse lacks an UES. Even if characters are capable of 4-B Creation feats (2 so far) those feats are completely detached from their peak DC feats and aren't intended to scale high. The author didn't go "Oh he can create starrky skies that means he can bust solar systems with his attacks".
AP≠DC also doesn't work here because we aren't asking for continuous portrayals of DC just one DC so that AP can be scaled to that DC (there's no DC). Now the second part of this.
Cath then proceeded to channel the entirety of his Chaos powers inside a shield that was damaged by Meliodas and Ban and one shotted by Hawk. Channeling the entirety of the magic that did create a 4-B space effortlessly would make the Crystal scale to partial Chaos.
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"All the chaos housed within me becoming the strongest of shields"
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He crystallised all the chaotic force he could
Not
He crystallised all the chaotic force he ever had
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Where are you getting this "entirety" from ? He used his remaining powers not his Total powers, unless you are arguing that the energy (chaos) needed to create the dimension was re absorbed then this point makes no sense.
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Also "Damage" is an interesting word when all they did was scratch Cath's shield and even the surface of it with a combined attack like cmon
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OP is using statements from Cath that talks about « wiping britannia from the face of earth » as a limit while Behemoth someone weaker than Cath by a huge margin almost destroyed Makai by waking up from his sleep.
Incorrecto, OP is saying that using your logic if the author intended said Chaos energy that was left to be 4-B then Cath would have obliterated the solar system not a continent. OP is showing the gap between DC & Creation feats not setting a hard limit.
Also, Chaos created an infinite space filled with infinite magic, Lancelot destroyed it by drinking it in it’s entirety.
So he is H3-A ?
Are you planning on scaling him and everyone to him to such degree ? Also scans please.
Cath stated that with complete Chaos he would destroy all existing forms by eating everything (it’s powers have infinite and interdimensional range)
And how does that meaningfully translate to anything without a given timeframe and I am pretty sure OP isn't nuking Chaos.
And he still channeled every single ounce of the Chaos that easily created a calculated and accepted 4-B per sec amount of energy inside of the shield Meliodas Ban King Diane could damage and Hawk could one tap
Same as before
TLDR/Conclusion
Stuff you need to prove
  • Cath's remaining Magic = Enough for 4-B feat
  • Creation feats = Destruction feats
  • How the 4-B feat isn't an outlier and combat applicable
  • Lancelot H3-A scans
That's all.
 
I don’t need to point out how absurd that is. Lancelot is not physically High 3-A pre or post absorption. If we assume he did that feat physically, that would mean he has infinite lifting strength and High 3-A strength prior to even absorbing the magic, which isn’t supported in the series. That’s why the feat is labeled as absorption/ingestion in his profile per this thread.

So this doesn’t provide any consistency for 4-B physicals.
Ok
Can you provide scans for this?
Here
And why is this a physical feat, or rather, why should it scale to his physical strength?
Through sheer size, he would just eat everything (Inf/interdimensional range) and we gave proof about him being able to channel the entirety of it (on top of being able to input chaos entirely)

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Alright, I feel like there's some confusion here either way I will give my two cents on this.

Alright l will break this into two parts,
So firstly where's the calculation ? I don't see it linked anywhere ?
It's not in the category and not on the verse page, it's not on their profile either. You could at least link us this calculation.
Well whatever,
I assume this is the calc.
It is
Now this doesn't exactly give everyone 4-B or shouldn't scale to anyone at all....
The entire premise of the OP was based on the lack of feats and how 4-B is an detached outlier that shouldn't scale because the verse lacks an UES. Even if characters are capable of 4-B Creation feats (2 so far) those feats are completely detached from their peak DC feats and aren't intended to scale high. The author didn't go "Oh he can create starrky skies that means he can bust solar systems with his attacks".
Chaos, Cath, DK, SD, Sacred tree all created tier 4 dimensions.

Channeling his chaos powers inside the shield would actually be a feat.


AP≠DC also doesn't work here because we aren't asking for continuous portrayals of DC just one DC so that AP can be scaled to that DC (there's no DC).
Cath being able to destroy all forms with Chaos powers, channeling the entirety of the Chaos within him into a shield are 2 feats that scale to physicals

Now the second part of this.
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Where are you getting this "entirety" from ? He used his remaining powers not his Total powers, unless you are arguing that the energy (chaos) needed to create the dimension was re absorbed then this point makes no sense.
« All the Chaos housed within me »
He crystallized all the chaos he could cause he ain’t complete yet

Said incomplete Chaos litteraly created the tier 4 dimension
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Also "Damage" is an interesting word when all they did was scratch Cath's shield and even the surface of it with a combined attack like cmon
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So they downscale in a way and Hawk scales fully
Incorrecto, OP is saying that using your logic if the author intended said Chaos energy that was left to be 4-B then Cath would have obliterated the solar system not a continent. OP is showing the gap between DC & Creation feats not setting a hard limit.
Once again using a tier 6 DC STATEMENT is invalid when weaker characters are tier 5 busters BY WAKING UP FROM THEIR SLEEP.

So he is H3-A ?
Are you planning on scaling him and everyone to him to such degree ? Also scans please.
Apparently only through absorption
And how does that meaningfully translate to anything without a given timeframe and I am pretty sure OP isn't nuking Chaos.
Idk if he wants to nuke chaos
Same as before
TLDR/Conclusion
Stuff you need to prove
  • Cath's remaining Magic = Enough for 4-B feat
Adressed previously, BTW he used ALL the CHAOS inside him it’s not a magic that runs out (he instantly got it back when the Crystal shattered
  • Creation feats = Destruction feats
Channeling « all the chaos inside me » Would qualify for durability
  • How the 4-B feat isn't an outlier and combat applicable
Other physical feats + it’s combat applicable through Chaos Crystal
  • Lancelot H3-A scans
Absorption so no need ig
That's all.
 
I have a proposition, let’s apply all of this and put the verse back to tier 5.

We’ll wait for the end of the series/arcs and eventually make a thread compelling all evidence shown about physical feats

I really don’t have much time to entertain this due to personal problems and believe Chaos Crystal is the best way to apply magic to physicals while preventing everyone and their moms to actually scale to tier 4.

Complete Cath destruction of all forms could be a back up, Arthur taking the Lake’s input thanks to Chaos too, the lake not being able to absorb Nemesis entirely too might be but we’ll see that later + other feats

I was not prepared and i’m sorry that it made it so difficult to answer 20 persons at the same time while having 0 hours of sleep and basically no scans

Sorry guys :/
 
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This is going to be my last reply on this thread regarding this issue, I think it's better to leave it up to the mods now (even though most have voted) either way,
Chaos, Cath, DK, SD, Sacred tree all created tier 4 dimensions
Again that's what the OP is based on, what you are doing is proving that the disparity between creation feats and DC is even more consistent than previously thought of. If characters can consistently create 4-B structures yet fail to output or utilise that amount of energy in combat and yield a singular DC feat then we shouldn't index Creation feats as combat applicable especially with the lack of a UES.
Channeling his chaos powers inside the shield would actually be a feat.
Correct it's a feat of manipulation of said energy nothing more or less.
Cath being able to destroy all forms with Chaos powers, channeling the entirety of the Chaos within him into a shield are 2 feats that scale to physicals
No why would him destroying it with Chaos Power scale to his physical ? Firstly the statement is about his main motive and what he wishes to achieve in the hypothetical future which by all means can be an OVEREXAGGERATION given in this scene he is attempting to persuade Arthur and again we have no clue on how he will do this and how long it will take him so again it's unquantifiable. As for the second part you have to meaningful establish the relationship between Durability and Energy as in you have prove why someone with only X tier Durability can channel "Y" amounts of energy that scales to X tiers in terms of AP/DC unless your arguments is that
Anyone with "X" tier creation feat via "Y" amounts of energy scales to it as in
Creation feats = Destruction feats
Which the OP established as incorrect.

« All the Chaos housed within me »
He crystallized all the chaos he could cause he ain’t complete yet

Said incomplete Chaos litteraly created the tier 4 dimension
Adressed previously, BTW he used ALL the CHAOS inside him it’s not a magic that runs out (he instantly got it back when the Crystal shattered
Can you prove this though that the Chaos energy required for the creation feat is the same as the one he used for the shield because from what I am reading it doesn't seem to imply such rather it's implying that the Chaos Magic at his disposal at that point is low, however he is confident he can outlast Eli in a war of attrition.
Apparently only through absorption
I assume Infinite drinking speed asw ? Can you provide the scans for the mods and tell me the chapter name if possible, nvm ig since you said that it isn't combat applicable and is a different proposal.
Idk if he wants to Nuke chaos
Read the title bro.....
Other physical feats + it’s combat applicable through Chaos Crystal
Just gonna address this but said other physical feats are extrapolated via some presumptions.

Anyways that's all from me
I have a proposition, let’s apply all of this and put the verse back to tier 5.

We’ll wait for the end of the series/arcs and eventually make a thread compelling all evidence shown about physical feats
I mean it's not up to us let's see what the mods decide (they have already voted in favour of the OP) but yea I agree there's no need to continue this.
 
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