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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces said:
What is he scaling to physically? Gojo has ce reinforcement and blue to amp his physicals, Dabura has CE reinforcement and light to amp his physicals. Which part is Gojo scaling to?
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The argument used is that the Dabura, while accelerating, was able to physically withstand the kinetic energy of the acceleration without suffering damage. And this energy level is either mountain or island level here on the site (I don't know which one was used). And they're justifying it by saying that somehow, Gojo and Sukuna would scale because Dabura is declared to be at Sukuna level or something like that.
 
all i know is that my glorious divine general got confirmed to have the best ability in the verse and can beat virtually anyone without prior knowledge

the triple calamities can go shingle mingle
 
And before anyone tries to argue Sukunas CE reinforcement on its own being good enough to block 4km distance 200% and that this specific instance he tanked was = to the one that blew up maho just know that it’s stupid because basic CE reinforcement can be scaled to all stats, meaning his ass should be throwing Hollow purple level punches if he put his mind into it, which he blatantly doesn’t.
 
Narratively Sukunas ass is subsonic and if not very perceptible by dudes who get blitzed by .01 second timeframes.

Any thing Dabura does at near lightspeed is explicitly and narratively beyond the levels of humanity.
 
AguilaR202 said:
Narratively Sukunas ass is subsonic and if not very perceptible by dudes who get blitzed by .01 second timeframes.

Any thing Dabura does at near lightspeed is explicitly and narratively beyond the levels of humanity.
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naoya blitzed every character that beat him
 
Specterxxxx said:
if you genuinely believe sukuna has no chance against dabura narratively then you have no idea what you are talking about. Dabura vs any other god tier in jjk would just be like naoya vs other grade 1s, like sure his speed is overwhelming but it isn't the end all be all.
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If anything, it's the inverse here. It's quite clear that Modulo wants you to believe that Yuji and Dabura are far above Gojo and Sukuna. The author is also nudging on that fact by telling you that the Mahoraga Dabura fought was "stronger" than the one Gojo or Sukuna fought. On top of the sheer better feats. It's just a plain old escalation of power for a sequel series that takes place decades into the future that should be common enough for anyone that reads a lot of Shonen.
 
AguilaR202 said:
Narratively Sukunas ass is subsonic and if not very perceptible by dudes who get blitzed by .01 second timeframes.

Any thing Dabura does at near lightspeed is explicitly and narratively beyond the levels of humanity.
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Then you have no idea what you are talking about because none of the speed scaling in the original jjk caps gojo or sukuna, they are always portrayed perception blitzing grade 1s even in their weakened states but you think dabura being close to LS is suppose to mean something. And no one is saying dabura isn't faster but his speed isn't a definitive reason to beat his rivals, or there would no point in the rivalry in the first place.
 
Specterxxxx said:
Then you have no idea what you are talking about because none of the speed scaling in the original jjk caps gojo or sukuna, they are always portrayed perception blitzing grade 1s even in their weakened states but you think dabura being close to LS is suppose to mean something. And no one is saying dabura isn't faster but his speed isn't a definitive reason to beat his rivals, or there would no point in the rivalry in the first place.
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There is no rivalry between Dabura and anyone, let alone Gojo and Sukuna who he never met and died 70 years before he came to Earth, in Modulo, lmao. The "rivalry" is a Sukuna and Gojo thing in the original JJK. It doesn't exist at all in Modulo because Modulo is a shorter story with a smaller scope and fewer fights. Hell, Yuji and Dabura don't even have a rivalry in Modulo and they're the current strongest. No meeting, no interaction whatsoever.

Like seriously, we're not talking about Naruto here. The core narrative of JJK isn't about some rivalry amongst friends/foes from separate generations. The "point" was already finished between those two in the original when Sukuna killed Gojo.
 
WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces said:
If anything, it's the inverse here. It's quite clear that Modulo wants you to believe that Yuji and Dabura are far above Gojo and Sukuna.
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No it doesn't, they wouldn't be referenced continoiusly in modulo if yuji was so far ahead of them.
WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces said:
The author is also nudging on that fact by telling you that the Mahoraga Dabura fought was "stronger" than the one Gojo or Sukuna fought. On top of the sheer better feats. It's just a plain old escalation of power for a sequel series that takes place decades into the future that should be common enough for anyone that reads a lot of Shonen.
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The author doing this is to show that dabura isn't an incompetent god tier compared to the others lol and for good reason because unlike gojo and sukuna, dabura had the hardest time fighting mahoraga while in gojo and sukuna case mahoraga wasn't really a threat at any point.
 
Narrative arguments are cope. If you have no feats or statements then you get nowhere. Not to be taken seriously, it's just baseless vibescaling.
 
AguilaR202 said:
The ****? No, none of Sukunas physicals even approach the level of blowing Mahoraga to bits.
The only way you can scale his ass is with 15f post domain fuga, hell Gojos black flashes don’t do shit to him either.

Is this an ironic post or sum shit.

The only 2 techniques that approach the level of Dabura’s kick by conparative scaling also don’t have the benefit of doing it to Mahoraga post adaption, hollow purple and fuga only hurt Mahoraga specifically because he never adapted to them.

Sukuna can’t tank purples without DA which at this point is a blatant power null technique that removes properties of Cursed Techniques on contact, meaning whatever he took from that initial purple can’t even be compared to what Mahoraga takes as he doesn’t have DA to block it.
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downplay slop
 
Specterxxxx said:
No it doesn't, they wouldn't be referenced continoiusly in modulo if yuji was so far ahead of them.

The author doing this is to show that dabura isn't an incompetent god tier compared to the others lol and for good reason because unlike gojo and sukuna, dabura had the hardest time fighting mahoraga while in gojo and sukuna case mahoraga wasn't really a threat at any point.
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Gojo is directly referred to only once in Modulo and it had nothing to do with a fight insofar as Dabura. Sukuna is referred to like twice or three times with this time being a direct comparison to Dabura just off people seeing him and feeling his aura after they already saw everything Sukuna could do. Either mention isn't really continuous, but by the end of the comic you understand that both current "Strongest" are far beyond the previous two strongest from simple showing and telling. Ironically this is why the under lightspeed kick and the single hand dismantles are great storytelling. Both are so far beyond anything Gojo or Sukuna could do as easily and are on the scale of the previous strongest, most powerful attacks yet they aren't the current strongest's most powerful attacks.

No, Gege is answering a question that Dabura has already fought a stronger version of the same being that Sukuna and Gojo fought. Mahoraga is a varied power level monster that can give the strongest beings in the verse a good fight, and amongst those three only Dabura has fought the strongest iteration of Mahoraga. This isn't Gege telling you that Dabura is "incompetent".
 
WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces said:
There is no rivalry between Dabura and anyone,
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He was literally being compared to sukuna multiple times lol
WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces said:
let alone Gojo and Sukuna who he never met and died 70 years before he came to Earth, in Modulo, lmao. The "rivalry" is a Sukuna and Gojo thing in the original JJK. It doesn't exist at all in Modulo because Modulo is a shorter story with a smaller scope and fewer fights. Hell, Yuji and Dabura don't even have a rivalry in Modulo and they're the current strongest. No meeting, no interaction whatsoever.
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When i mean rivalry i don't mean the exact same portrayal of it in the original series and i wasn't implying rivalry between yuji and dabura either but the strongest in this era are still being compared to the sukuna and gojo and the story hints this multiple times.
WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces said:
Like seriously, we're not talking about Naruto here. The core narrative of JJK isn't about some rivalry amongst friends/foes from separate generations. The "point" was already finished between those two in the original when Sukuna killed Gojo.
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you didn't get my point and that's okay.
 
Specterxxxx said:
He was literally being compared to sukuna multiple times lol

When i mean rivalry i don't mean the exact same portrayal of it in the original series and i wasn't implying rivalry between yuji and dabura either but the strongest in this era are still being compared to the sukuna and gojo and the story hints this multiple times.

you didn't get my point and that's okay.
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Why are you replying to my post twice?
 
WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces said:
Gojo is directly referred to only once in Modulo and it had nothing to do with a fight insofar as Dabura. Sukuna is referred to like twice or three times with this time being a direct comparison to Dabura just off people seeing him and feeling his aura after they already saw everything Sukuna could do. Either mention isn't really continuous, but by the end of the comic you understand that both current "Strongest" are far beyond the previous two strongest from simple showing and telling. Ironically this is why the under lightspeed kick and the single hand dismantles are great storytelling. Both are so far beyond anything Gojo or Sukuna could do as easily and are on the scale of the previous strongest, most powerful attacks yet they aren't the current strongest's most powerful attacks.
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Cap. Gojo could destroy Japan if he wanted to. That's far above Labura and Lugi
 
I am confused shouldn't mahoraga AP before he adapted to dabura brute force with the light speed kick be rel to dabura physicals anyway? The first adaptation only concerned dabura's curse techniques not his physicals and when he adapted to that he started physically slashing through dabura's dura and rag dolling him. This would only be mahoraga's base strength because he didn't start adapting dabura's light speed amped brute force until later in the fight and if base mahoraga's striking strength scales to dabura's dura then that should extend to sukuna and gojo
 
GTsek said:
I think you didn't understand the dialogue, Sukuna had no idea about the possibility of 200% release, so he simply guessed it must be something above 100%.
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Huh? No he's saying that it's output was over 120% because even after traveling those 4km it was at 120%, so it had to be over it and he only took part of it. Do you genuinely think Gege added that 120% as an arbitrary number for no reason when it reached sukuna at like "50%" or smth?

GTsek said:
The total area of the 200% purple energy was much larger than Sukuna's body, it literally hit the building, basically in the middle of it. Uraume only absorbed part of the energy as well. Sukuna saying he could withstand a 100% purple attack from a shorter distance doesn't mean he would cover the entire area of the attack, which he knows is much larger than him. Take Yuta's purple attack, for example; it partially hits Sukuna, but the rest of the energy leaks out and destroys his domain.
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As I said this is completely irrelevant because the amount of % that hits Sukuna is damn near the same amount of % that Mahoraga took in the final purple... and it vaporized him.

AguilaR202 said:
The ****? No, none of Sukunas physicals even approach the level of blowing Mahoraga to bits.
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Genuinely Hollow Purple vaporized Mahoraga and didn't vaporize Sukuna, do you struggle to actually read the story or something?

AguilaR202 said:
The only 2 techniques that approach the level of Dabura’s kick by conparative scaling also don’t have the benefit of doing it to Mahoraga post adaption, hollow purple and fuga only hurt Mahoraga specifically because he never adapted to them.
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Mahoraga had only slightly adapted to the brute force and it was prior to the entire acceleration, Dabura gets much faster (therefore more power) before kicking him. He wasn't adapted to it fully at all, and cleaves also sliced through Mahoraga after he had already adapted to slash attacks as a whole so this just makes no sense.

AguilaR202 said:
Sukuna can’t tank purples without DA which at this point is a blatant power null technique that removes properties of Cursed Techniques on contact, meaning whatever he took from that initial purple can’t even be compared to what Mahoraga takes as he doesn’t have DA to block it.
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?? He blocked it with Cursed Energy reinforcement, not DA what the hell do you mean, the kanji makes sukuna literally call it "Reinforced Arms"???

AguilaR202 said:
And before anyone tries to argue Sukunas CE reinforcement on its own being good enough to block 4km distance 200% and that this specific instance he tanked was = to the one that blew up maho just know that it’s stupid because basic CE reinforcement can be scaled to all stats, meaning his ass should be throwing Hollow purple level punches if he put his mind into it, which he blatantly doesn’t.
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  1. You do know he survived the one that vaporized Maho... right? Why would one need to argue the 200% thing to argue he is above maho in durability, thats just blatantly showed to us.
  2. Cursed Energy Reinforcement can be scaled to all stats normally, when you reinforce a part of your body specificially to defend something you are putting a huge amount of cursed energy that would normally be all over your body into that singular part of your body. Todo can't punch someone with Mahito Black Flash level attacks but he can block it by focusing all his cursed energy in his stomach, reinforcing it, blocking it.

AguilaR202 said:
Narratively Sukunas ass is subsonic and if not very perceptible by dudes who get blitzed by .01 second timeframes.
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Genuinely read JJK once in your life, it's not hard

AguilaR202 said:
Any thing Dabura does at near lightspeed is explicitly and narratively beyond the levels of humanity.
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(This is the only true thing you said and its irrelevant cause he reaches >90% SoL in a whim which no one claims Sukuna or Gojo scale to.
 
AguilaR202 said:
Narratively Sukunas ass is subsonic and if not very perceptible by dudes who get blitzed by .01 second timeframes.

Any thing Dabura does at near lightspeed is explicitly and narratively beyond the levels of humanity.
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You may disagree with Gojo and Sukuna scaling to Dabura, but calling them Subsonic It's a simple lack of reading comprehension.
Zabazab said:
Narrative arguments are cope. If you have no feats or statements then you get nowhere. Not to be taken seriously, it's just baseless vibescaling.
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In fact, what we do here often goes against the narrative, the narrative isn't a bad argument, it just can't be supported by itself.
 
AguilaR202 said:
And before anyone tries to argue Sukunas CE reinforcement on its own being good enough to block 4km distance 200% and that this specific instance he tanked was = to the one that blew up maho just know that it’s stupid because basic CE reinforcement can be scaled to all stats, meaning his ass should be throwing Hollow purple level punches if he put his mind into it, which he blatantly doesn’t.
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THIS DOESNT MAKE SENSE BRO. THAT WAS A STRONGER GOJO AND DESPITE SURVIVING THE 200% PURPLE, IT LITERALLY DESTROYED BOTH OF HIS ARMS, YOUR LOGIC IS FLAWED
 
Specterxxxx said:
I am confused shouldn't mahoraga AP before he adapted to dabura brute force with the light speed kick be rel to dabura physicals anyway? The first adaptation only concerned dabura's curse techniques not his physicals and when he adapted to that he started physically slashing through dabura's dura and rag dolling him. This would only be mahoraga's base strength because he didn't start adapting dabura's light speed amped brute force until later in the fight and if base mahoraga's striking strength scales to dabura's dura then that should extend to sukuna and gojo
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it was an unawakened \ not serious dabura

but mahoraga fought awakened dabura too, so he is 6C in all cases
 
Zabazab said:
Narrative arguments are cope. If you have no feats or statements then you get nowhere. Not to be taken seriously, it's just baseless vibescaling.
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The entire "narrative" argument comes from multiple S T A T E M E N T S, why are you separating the two?

I don't know about you but if the story states:
  • Dabura is Sukuna's level and that is never contested once;
  • The promotional material and the literal synopsis of the story from the author says he is on par with Sukuna;
  • Yuji, who is stated to have latent potential equal to Sukuna, is stated to be able to duel Dabura and their hope of beating him;
  • Later the same Yuji, who can sense someone's power even from far away states, EVEN AFTER DABURA USED HIS KICK, that he could handle him.
I don't know man, this seems like very blatant STATEMENTS that Yuji, Sukuna and Dabura are all on par with each other / on the same level and that Dabura did not grew millions of times over a fictional head canon power up made by people who did not read the story and think Dabura went SSJ just because he started fighting as an actual warrior and with a motive.
 
Sus said:
it was an unawakened \ not serious dabura

but mahoraga fought awakened dabura too, so he is 6C in all cases
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i wouldn't say he wasn't serious but he wasn't determined and his durability never changed, his will and determination did and that is made clear when we are told he has tried to go light speed before but his body can't handle it so which means since that time he would have still been 6C. and if mahorga is 6C then the version sukuna and gojo fought would be 6C as well at least because they are physically superior to mahoraga's regular strength which can hurt dabura.
 
Specterxxxx said:
i wouldn't say he wasn't serious but he wasn't determined and his durability never changed, his will and determination did and that is made clear when we are told he has tried to go light speed before but his body can't handle it so which means since that time he would have still been 6C. and if mahorga is 6C then the version sukuna and gojo fought would be 6C as well at least because they are physically superior to mahoraga's regular strength which can hurt dabura.
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i agree sukuna and gojo scale to dabura

but going strictly by what the wiki accepts, only dabura and late-fight mahoraga scale to 6C
 
btw base mahoraga does not scale to gojo and sukuna, when sukuna summoned him he was already did 4 wheel spins, so even if gojo and sukuna are 6C, base maho isn't
 
Sus said:
i agree sukuna and gojo scale to dabura

but going strictly by what the wiki accepts, only dabura and late-fight mahoraga scale to 6C
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I read the CRT but this argument was never made there atleast an emphasis on this reasoning wasn't made. Because there is no way you would see that argument and the multiple statements regarding sukuna = dabura and you can't come to the conclusion that they all scale. This isn't refering to you btw.
 
Specterxxxx said:
I read the CRT but this argument was never made there atleast an emphasis on this reasoning wasn't made. Because there is no way you would see that argument and the multiple statements regarding sukuna = dabura and you can't come to the conclusion that they all scale. This isn't refering to you btw.
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The thread was a joke of ignoring points so I don't think even that would work, most mods literally said one thing because of a message, that message got debunked and they never came back to the thread again (prob cause they didn't even look at it again) so their vote remained the same.
 
Specterxxxx said:
I read the CRT but this argument was never made there atleast an emphasis on this reasoning wasn't made. Because there is no way you would see that argument and the multiple statements regarding sukuna = dabura and you can't come to the conclusion that they all scale. This isn't refering to you btw.
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Rodriiogo said:
The thread was a joke of ignoring points so I don't think even that would work, most mods literally said one thing because of a message, that message got debunked and they never came back to the thread again (prob cause they didn't even look at it again) so their vote remained the same.
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staff threads in a nutshell
 
mahoraga one shotting yorozu with 1 wheel spin should definitely be noted on his profile
 
It gets more ridiculous when you read chapter 18 and you see mahoraga with regular strength slashing through dabura's face and even seriously overpowering him WHILE HE IS TRYING TO BLOCK, and yes i get the argument that dabura panicking might affect his dura but he started panicking AFTER mahoraga landed the first hit and it's funny how this wiki already agrees tamed mahoraga physically scaling to gojo the exact same way and if he does, then sukuna and gojo scales to dabura based off FEATS, STATEMENTS AND NARRATIVE.
 
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