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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Zabazab said:
I don't agree. The evidence you presented was more examples of AP vs Durability (Malevolent Shrine's sure-hit vs Unlimited Void's Barrier). Unlimited Void cannot destroy objects or barriers. Especially not Sukuna, who constantly refreshes HWB, meaning it cannot ever be overpowered
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I think you misunderstood my comment. It's literally mentioned in the series that the output of a domain is greater than that of a simple domain and HWB, these techniques cannot sustain for very long within a domain because the energy difference between them is too great, Sukuna can compensate for this with seals, but only against domains like Yuta's (who didn't have the technique activated all the time) And Yuji (which was literally his first use), but that wouldn't be possible against Gojo, as that would be the same as saying that Sukuna's HWB energy output is equivalent that of his own domain, which we know is not true.
 
Also, it's cool that Gege wrote multiple anti-domain techniques that each have their own usage, advantages, disadvantages that lasted throughout the series from beginning to end. Even though JJK isn't near the best Shonen in terms of narrative and characterization, the choreography, power system, and fights are written incredibly well to the point we have to consider these things insofar as why a basic technique (HWB) is at times more useful than an advanced one (DA).
Rodriiogo said:
I did agree it lost energy...? Do you not see the part where I said it was initially at 200% and ended at 120% when near Sukuna? That is losing energy.
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Must've missed that part, but that's not how I'm reading the scan here. Sukuna is saying that a purple that cuts loose is over 120% which the buffed purple is, not that it has dropped from 200% to 120% by the time it reached him.
 
WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces said:
Also, it's cool that Gege wrote multiple anti-domain techniques that each have their own usage, advantages, disadvantages that lasted throughout the series from beginning to end. Even though JJK isn't near the best Shonen in terms of narrative and characterization, the choreography, power system, and fights are written incredibly well to the point we have to consider these things insofar as why a basic technique (HWB) is at times more useful than an advanced one (DA).
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"We have to consider why a shield is more useful than a sword at times" Stop glazing omg.
 
Rodriiogo said:
We do have an exact % to the purple that Sukuna took though?
It was initially at 200%:
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Sukuna notes that it was at over 120% when it reaches him:
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It's said that Sukuna only sensed purple at the very last moment before it hit him:
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So the purple that Sukuna took was at ~120%, which is beyond a regular purple (which would make it in-verse not only similar but superior to the kick's potency)
Sukuna even implies that if they both weren't weakened, he'd be able to survive a 100% purple at a short distance in the same way to make this consistent (he couldn't at this point since he was more weakened than Gojo):
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I said it was weakened because Sukuna himself says so, the attack loses strength as it traveled over long distances, and it traveled 4km.

And in any case, in neither scenario did Sukuna receive or would receive the full amount of purple energy, he only receives a portion of it. If you use the inverse square law, I believe the result would be disappointing.
 
GTsek said:
I said it was weakened because Sukuna himself says so, the attack loses strength as it traveled over long distances, and it traveled 4km.
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Yea but obviously Sukuna meant great distances. To him and Gojo 4km is pretty small since they're relativistic to FTL in speed. Sukuna likely meant like interplanetary distances.
 
GTsek said:
(who didn't have the technique activated all the time)
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He did though? The sure-hit was targeting just Sukuna within the Domain, it's why Sukuna never released HWB.

And again, UV cannot overpower Sukuna's HWB. Ever. Gojo has to make him stop chanting/using seals. The reason HWB and Simple Domain are temporary measures against Domains is because no one can do what Sukuna does. Sukuna can sit in any Domain as long as he wants so long as he uses HWB.
 
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Zabazab said:
And again, UV cannot overpower Sukuna's HWB. Ever. Gojo has to make him stop chanting/using seals. The reason HWB and Simple Domain are temporary measures against Domains is because no one can do what Sukuna does. Sukuna can sit in any Domain as long as he wants so long as he uses HWB.
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No he can't. Dabura negs his hwb.
 
GTsek said:
I said it was weakened because Sukuna himself says so, the attack loses strength as it traveled over long distances, and it traveled 4km.
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Well yea and it was, it was meant to hit him with 200% output and it hit him with 120%.

GTsek said:
And in any case, in neither scenario did Sukuna receive or would receive the full amount of purple energy, he only receives a portion of it. If you use the inverse square law, I believe the result would be disappointing.
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The rest of the energy that Sukuna didn't take was so low that even Uraume tanked it. And again, Sukuna does imply he can take a 100% purple at a short distance if they both weren't weakened which is consistent.

Regardless of the ISL as well, Mahoraga in Shinjuku was more adapted to Gojo than Modulo one was adapted to Dabura at that point in time. As the wheel spun way more times and he took way more attacks from Gojo so if we compare both's inverse feats, by "ISL", Mahoraga got vaporized by 1% of a weakened AoE purple as well so it doesn't really matter.
 
Zabazab said:
Dabura has the Black Rope. This shows that not only does Dabura eclipse Gojo's strength, he is also not a racist against our African brothers and sisters, unlike Fuhrer Satoru.
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Black Rope would just nerf Dabura cause it'd disrupt his own CT as he is also in contact with it. It'd be a dabura vs gojo fight without any acceleration which at that point Dabura is getting low- mid diff'd due to how bad of a physical fighter he is.
 
Zabazab said:
Dabura has the Black Rope. This shows that not only does Dabura eclipse Gojo's strength, he is also not a racist against our African brothers and sisters, unlike Fuhrer Satoru.
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Dabura suffers from inherent racism cuz his people oppressed the Rumelians and don't respect the Kalyans. Gojo was just being a bad boy 🥀
 
Zabazab said:
He did though? The sure-hit was targeting just Sukuna within the Domain, it's why Sukuna never released HWB.

And again, UV cannot overpower Sukuna's HWB. Ever. Gojo has to make him stop chanting/using seals. The reason HWB and Simple Domain are temporary measures against Domains is because no one can do what Sukuna does. Sukuna can sit in any Domain as long as he wants so long as he uses HWB.
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If you notice, after Rika and Yuji break Sukuna's seals, he wasn't hit instantly; Yuta activates the technique at maximum output.

Dude, it's obvious it can, you just don't understand how domain dynamics work. There's a difference in energy output between them, and that's what determines when one domain surpasses another or not, Remember when Gojo tried to increase the domain area? It was mentioned that automatically increasing the range means losing power within the domain, The same applies to anti-dominance techniques. But I don't think that extending this discussion with you will change your mind, so whatever.
 
Rodriiogo said:
Well yea and it was, it was meant to hit him with 200% output and it hit him with 120%.


The rest of the energy that Sukuna didn't take was so low that even Uraume tanked it. And again, Sukuna does imply he can take a 100% purple at a short distance if they both weren't weakened which is consistent.

Regardless of the ISL as well, Mahoraga in Shinjuku was more adapted to Gojo than Modulo one was adapted to Dabura at that point in time. As the wheel spun way more times and he took way more attacks from Gojo so if we compare both's inverse feats, by "ISL", Mahoraga got vaporized by 1% of a weakened AoE purple as well so it doesn't really matter.
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I think you didn't understand the dialogue, Sukuna had no idea about the possibility of 200% release, so he simply guessed it must be something above 100%.

The total area of the 200% purple energy was much larger than Sukuna's body, it literally hit the building, basically in the middle of it. Uraume only absorbed part of the energy as well. Sukuna saying he could withstand a 100% purple attack from a shorter distance doesn't mean he would cover the entire area of the attack, which he knows is much larger than him. Take Yuta's purple attack, for example; it partially hits Sukuna, but the rest of the energy leaks out and destroys his domain.
 
Zabazab said:
Dabura has the Black Rope. This shows that not only does Dabura eclipse Gojo's strength, he is also not a racist against our African brothers and sisters, unlike Fuhrer Satoru.
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And is it possible to use it while using technique? Look, he's directly holding the rope, it might be nullified. Apparently, Miguel didn't use his technique against Gojo, he himself is impressed when Gojo describes his technique after the fight.

Also, the rope doesn't have tier 6 resistance like Dabura's, it would disintegrate while he's running.
 
GTsek said:
And is it possible to use it while using technique? Look, he's directly holding the rope, it might be nullified. Apparently, Miguel didn't use his technique against Gojo, he himself is impressed when Gojo describes his technique after the fight.

Also, the rope doesn't have tier 6 resistance like Dabura's, it would disintegrate while he's running.
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Doesnt really matter. Daburas physically stronger than gojo
 
I'm new here, but can someone catch me up on the argument? Is it that people actually think Sukuna, or Gojo, are physically comparable to Dabura? Does anyone seriously believe even a blue amped punch Gojo would destroy that much of Tokyo?
 
WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces said:
I'm new here, but can someone catch me up on the argument? Is it that people actually think Sukuna, or Gojo, are physically comparable to Dabura? Does anyone seriously believe even a blue amped punch Gojo would destroy that much of Tokyo?
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NO ONE says gojo scales to daburas ultimate attack

gojo scales to dabura PHYSICALLY
 
Arkenis said:
Yeah but since we know Gege meant Sukuna could fight Dabura and they are actually both special grade means Sukuna is actually 6-C and can tank Dabura's attacks. Ignore speed cuz obviously when Gege wrote JJK he didn't know about the Terrell-Penrose effect, and didn't show Sukuna could move at such speeds but we all know Sukuna can move at those speeds cuz Gege said Dabura was special grade on Sukuna's level. Furthermore Sukuna's already more skilled so he'd beat Dabura in that aspect anyway.
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The ****? No, none of Sukunas physicals even approach the level of blowing Mahoraga to bits.
The only way you can scale his ass is with 15f post domain fuga, hell Gojos black flashes don’t do shit to him either.

Is this an ironic post or sum shit.

The only 2 techniques that approach the level of Dabura’s kick by conparative scaling also don’t have the benefit of doing it to Mahoraga post adaption, hollow purple and fuga only hurt Mahoraga specifically because he never adapted to them.

Sukuna can’t tank purples without DA which at this point is a blatant power null technique that removes properties of Cursed Techniques on contact, meaning whatever he took from that initial purple can’t even be compared to what Mahoraga takes as he doesn’t have DA to block it.
 
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