Las Noches Size Downgrade

Shadowbokunohero · Apr 28, 2026

ichimojii said:
Using this logic you can downgrade one piece and naruto since they also suffer from this. All these arguments were made in other threads and got rejected theirs nothing new here

we do this for the other two as well wdym

theres a reason why the size of the hidden leaf is controversial and isnt orders of magnitude bigger than it currently is or why we dont use the mountain size summons or choji statements.

Even One Piece had a large amount of its calc bulldozed for this same reason.

Hellscream · Apr 28, 2026

Ecronicron said:
I disagree with the last bit I don't think Kubo was considering how the atmosphere behaves in his battle shonen manga about a kid with a large kitchen knife

For what it's worth I agree with the argument overall as this convinced me. There is simply too much evidence to consider the pillars being that wide. Certainly enough to discard a throwaway statement.

If you actually saw my imgur, you'd see that there are various shapes and sizes of columns within las noches.

The ones that extend all of the way upwards, are not the ones from the databook.

He coincidentally calculated them to be near the value of the databook in order to fit his agenda ofc, but im certain you can get different values from different scenes.
And no, it's certainly nowhere near enough to "discard" a statement.

Edit: and im correct, i've found multiple different values for the pillar calculation.
Keep up the bad faith argumentation guys.

Damage3245 · Apr 28, 2026

Hellscream said:
If you actually saw my imgur, you'd see that there are various shapes and sizes of columns within las noches.

The ones that extend all of the way upwards, are not the ones from the databook.

He coincidentally calculated them to be near the value of the databook in order to fit his agenda ofc, but im certain you can get different values from different scenes.
And no, it's certainly nowhere near enough to "discard" a statement.

Going by the current calc, the current height of the Las Noches dome from ground level is about 86 kilometers tall.

We can see from the ceiling of Las Noches to the floor of Las Noches all within one panel; does this look 86 kilometers tall to you? If so, how wide is that beam meant to be? By pixelscaling, around 34.5 kilometers wide. Which doesn't line up with how see the hole from above. We see Uryu and Orihime looking up at the hole in the sky made earlier by Ichigo and Ulquiorra racing up the pillar; doesn't really look 86 km away, even when viewed from ground level.

If the answer for these visual inconsistencies with the supposed size of Las Noches is "Visuals don't matter to Kubo, only statements, we can't trust how thing are drawn..."

Then what is your basis for accepting the calculated size of Ulquiorra's attack? It seems awfully selective that visuals are completely accurate in one scene and irrelevant errors in another scene.

Infinite9Luck · Apr 28, 2026

I don't see any reason why we should ignore Nel's statement (which is not a Kid btw) when it is written by Kubo, the same way the Seireitei statement was written. The blog post doesn't really give any good reason except the inconsistent visuals, which is something we have been known for years.

技術開発局に辿り着いた更木剣八は、敵が逃げたと知るや、襲撃を受けているというこの門に目標を変えたらしい。門から門まで歩いて十日はかかると言われている広大な瀞霊廷の中を走り続け、通常では考えられない速度でこちらに接近していたのだ

"Kenpachi Zaraki, having reached the Department of Research and Development, apparently learned that the enemy had fled and changed his target to this gate, which was said to be under attack. He had continued running through the vast Seireitei — said to take ten days to walk from gate to gate — and was approaching them at a speed that would normally be unthinkable."

The author is clearly trying to establish a size through these statements, saying no is like ignoring what he write on the manga, especially since they are given by characters multiple times. Just dismissing them is silly. It is repeatedly shown, and even stated on blog pages, that for Bleach we take statements over visuals for size and that has been discussed over years.

However, I do see the issue with some calculations that rely on pixel scaling as @Damage3245 said. But in that case, the calculation should be fixed, not necessarily the size downgraded by dismissing the statements, which were written by Kubo.

Hellscream · Apr 28, 2026

Damage3245 said:
Going by the current calc, the current height of the Las Noches dome from ground level is about 86 kilometers tall.

We can see from the ceiling of Las Noches to the floor of Las Noches all within one panel; does this look 86 kilometers tall to you? If so, how wide is that beam meant to be? By pixelscaling, around 34.5 kilometers wide. Which doesn't line up with how see the hole from above. We see Uryu and Orihime looking up at the hole in the sky made earlier by Ichigo and Ulquiorra racing up the pillar; doesn't really look 86 km away, even when viewed from ground level.

If the answer for these visual inconsistencies with the supposed size of Las Noches is "Visuals don't matter to Kubo, only statements, we can't trust how thing are drawn..."

Then what is your basis for accepting the calculated size of Ulquiorra's attack? It seems awfully selective that visuals are completely accurate in one scene and irrelevant errors in another scene.

I never said they should be referred to as completely accurate, as the series has drawing inconsistencies.
My entire argument is based upon statements > visuals.

What the current calc did do, was taking a statement of it's distance into consideration, and used visuals as secondary evidence in order to get general shapes of the structures. If you find that valid or not, is up for debate, but for sure not this bullshit 5km calculation.

And from the perspectives you've posted, yes it does look incredibly tall, nowhere near the posted values.
It doesn't need to literally look like it's 86km, thats the point of inconsistencies.

Ecronicron · Apr 28, 2026

Hellscream said:
If you actually saw my imgur, you'd see that there are various shapes and sizes of columns within las noches.

The ones that extend all of the way upwards, are not the ones from the databook.

He coincidentally calculated them to be near the value of the databook in order to fit his agenda ofc, but im certain you can get different values from different scenes.

I did see your imgur, and even foregoing the data book statement I still found a lot of inconsistencies just by rereading a few chapters. Such as Ulquiorra's size

This only makes sense if you suddenly think Ichigo and Ulquiorra are skyscraping giants.

Hellscream said:
And no, it's certainly nowhere near enough to "discard" a statement.

Edit: and im correct, i've found multiple different values for the pillar calculation.
Keep up the bad faith argumentation guys.

It is a throwaway statement

Hellscream · Apr 28, 2026

Ecronicron said:
I did see your imgur, and even foregoing the data book statement I still found a lot of inconsistencies just by rereading a few chapters. Such as Ulquiorra's size

This only makes sense if you suddenly think Ichigo and Ulquiorra are skyscraping giants.

It is a throwaway statement

lol

Ecronicron · Apr 28, 2026

Hellscream said:
My entire argument is based upon statements > visuals.
.

It gets to a point. I'm willing to let it slide one time, even twice but you can't build a whole line of scaling over a single scan that gets contradicted by the author over and over again.

Ecronicron · Apr 28, 2026

Hellscream said:
lol

What bro says before pulling a CFYOW scan showing that Ichigo is actually 60 meters tall

Damage3245 · Apr 28, 2026

Hellscream said:
I never said they should be referred to as completely accurate, as the series has drawing inconsistencies.
My entire argument is based upon statements > visuals.

What the current calc did do, was taking a statement of it's distance into consideration, and used visuals as secondary evidence in order to get general shapes of the structures. If you find that valid or not, is up for debate, but for sure not this bullshit 5km calculation.

And from the perspectives you've posted, yes it does look incredibly tall, nowhere near the posted values.
It doesn't need to literally look like it's 86km, thats the point of inconsistencies.

Okay, while that is one totally legitimate perspective on powerscaling to have, I don't find it valid or convincing, so I'm in favor of the OP currently.

I don't think I have anything else to say on the thread.

KillerNerd007 · Apr 28, 2026

Damage3245 said:
Then we can just remove that line.

So we close this whole thread since now you have to do something else entirely. This specific thread is legit just stuff already addressed in the Bleach page. Simple as that.

KillerNerd007 · Apr 28, 2026

BestMGQScalerEver said:
Can both sides stop accusing each other of wasting peoples time or clogging the thread cuz it goes both ways here.

Listen, I just came here to give the two senses. This stuff is already addressed in the actual profile so legit we can just move on. I am not even trying to do anything wrong, I just want the arguments.

KillerNerd007 · Apr 28, 2026

Ecronicron said:
I did see your imgur, and even foregoing the data book statement I still found a lot of inconsistencies just by rereading a few chapters. Such as Ulquiorra's size

This only makes sense if you suddenly think Ichigo and Ulquiorra are skyscraping giants.

It is a throwaway statement

So again you are relying on panels that aren't to scale?

Damage3245 · Apr 28, 2026

KillerNerd007 said:
So we close this whole thread since now you have to do something else entirely. This specific thread is legit just stuff already addressed in the Bleach page. Simple as that.

Well, I'm sure the thread will be closed soon as it has enough votes approving it by now.

KillerNerd007 · Apr 28, 2026

Damage3245 said:
Well, I'm sure the thread will be closed soon as it has enough votes approving it by now.

So we only gonna close this thread if we get votes to approve something that is already directly addressed on the profile for no reason? That doesn't make any sense to do so. Its best to either talk to the people who made it directly or make a staff only place. Wouldn't you agree if you want consistency and honesty?

SharkBook01 · Apr 28, 2026

Ecronicron said:
It gets to a point. I'm willing to let it slide one time, even twice but you can't build a whole line of scaling over a single scan that gets contradicted by the author over and over again.

Nel's statement is consistent narratively, while this calc is not.

- Nel is literally the guide in Hueco Mundo for both the characters and the readers. Every single thing she says is correct, no reason to believe she's wrong.

- It was stated in the Databook 3 that the mission to rescue Orihime took multiple days, which is consistent with the place being massive.

- Both the characters and the databooks talk about how massive Las Noches was. (Going by the logic used in this thread, it's less than half the size of the small town the gang lives in)

If we go by the actual interior (which is where we spend the majority of the arc) it shown multiple times that the desert is so big that different buildings can be too far away to see. Which doesn't make any sense if you're going to say all these unnaturally large buildings and structures are contained within a 3-mile diameter. Every Espada has their own castle in Las Noches, and they're huge even by Las Noches standards, yet we see that they're all spread apart by so much desert that they're not even visible to each other.

The only thing that backs the calc is pixel scaling panels of Las Noches exterior, when we've already accepted for Bleach multiple times that Kubo doesn't draw things to scale consistently, and that it's more accurate to use statements.

KillerNerd007 · Apr 28, 2026

SharkBook01 said:
Nel's statement is consistent narratively, while this calc is not.

- Nel is literally the guide in Hueco Mundo for both the characters and the readers. Every single thing she says is correct, no reason to believe she's wrong.

- It was stated in the Databook 3 that the mission to rescue Orihime took multiple days.

- Both the characters and the databooks talk about how massive Las Noches was. (Going by the logic used in this thread, it's less than half the size of the small town he lives in)

If we go by the actual interior (which is where we spend the majority of the arc) it shown multiple times that the desert is so big that different buildings can be too far away to see. Which doesn't make any sense if you're going to say all these unnaturally large buildings and structures are contained within a 3-mile diameter. Every Espada has their own castle in Las Noches, and they're huge even by Las Noches standards, yet we see that they're all spread apart by so much desert that they're not even visible to each other.

The only thing that backs the calc is pixel scaling panels of Las Noches exterior, when we've already accepted for Bleach multiple times that Kubo doesn't draw things to scale consistently, and that it's more accurate to use statements.

Can we hit up the meme again of Kubo just writing a whole character who is meant to be our information bank yet he thinks for one specific scene of information its just a contradiction that he decided to make to **** around? Lol

Not to take it seriously, just me having some fun.

Saqphire · Apr 28, 2026

Infinite9Luck said:
The author is clearly trying to establish a size through these statements, saying no is like ignoring what he write on the manga, especially since they are given by characters multiple times.

This is exactly the line of logic that the OP is saying about visuals. Having one or two inconsistent visuals about a single object is fine to dismiss but when there are TEN PANELS of the same ratio between Ulquiorra and the pillar width in visuals for example, then Kubo is showing an intended size between both.

In fact, every piece of argument you posted here has already been said on this very thread and thus has also already been refuted since the very first page; a timeframe does not always inherently mean a distance

Infinite9Luck said:
I don't see any reason why we should ignore Nel's statement (which is not a Kid btw) when it is written by Kubo, the same way the Seireitei statement was written.

No one other than Damage is actively dismissing the Nelliel statement as a hyperbole. We’re saying even if it was true, it doesn’t matter because timeframes do not always dictate an exact distance. That requires way too many assumptions on that end and I quote myself on that part

Saqphire said:
Adding on to what you said, it's not even that she's wrong that it would take three days to walk the distance. The problem is assuming she's talking about Ichigo specifically AND that he'd be walking that distance 24/7. There are sooo many factors that play along as to how someone who can walk for a long time doesn't need to walk the equal distance here such as pace reduction, breaks involved, terrain involved and so on and so forth.

Infinite9Luck said:
The blog post doesn't really give any good reason except the inconsistent visuals, which is something we have been known for years.

Kubo’s not braindead when he draws his manga dude. He knows how to draw characters to scale, he knows how to draw buildings, he knows how to draw buildings with distinguishing traits and he knows how to draw planets, galaxies, stars and cities. He is a good illustrator and dismissing his illustrations just because he said, and I quote:

”I don’t prioritise backgrounds in my drawings”

is ridiculous. That doesn’t even line up because most of said ”inconsistent visuals” are in the foreground and the statement never ever said anything about his visuals not mattering; the only reason they’re deemed inconsistent is because FANS have argued the assumption that Ichigo would run a straight distance for days at a time, or that Nelliel even meant superhuman speed for 24/7 stretches and so on.

We don’t count fan interpretations when we scale canon media so why should we do it here?? Again I quote myself

Saqphire said:
He also draws consistently for Seireitei if you consider that to be a city instead of a country almost the size of Iran's border length, the "inconsistencies" are from fanmade assumptions about Yoruichi's statement

Saqphire said:
Las Noches itself has a very distinct shape that Kubo is CONSISTENTLY drawing to be distinct from other buildings, so idk why people keep pushing this narrative that ”Kubo can’t draw for scale or to distinguish buildings” when we see that he can on MULTIPLE occasions, both here and in the OP.

Saqphire · Apr 28, 2026

Also, to conclude. Just because something is accepted, that doesn’t mean it’s irrefutable. So having yall trying to close the thread because ”statements > visuals is accepted!!!!” is nonsense.

Go and refute the arguments bro and I quote damage on this specific part

Damage3245 said:
SharkBook01 said:

also it's literally accepted on the Bleach page to take statements over visuals.

Click to expand...

Then we can just remove that line.

Damage3245 · Apr 28, 2026

Saqphire said:
No one other than Damage is actively dismissing the Nelliel statement as a hyperbole. We’re saying even if it was true, it doesn’t matter because timeframes do not always dictate an exact distance. That requires way too many assumptions on that end and I quote myself on that part

Yeah - even if we accepted Nel's statement as being absolutely true and accurate... we're no more required to be forced to use that statement than we are to use any other outlier statements like Candice's arrows being a measly 5 gigajoules, or Kenpachi failing to cut through steel.

Specterxxxx · Apr 28, 2026

i believe several arguments being made in this thread are entirely dishonest and are being intentionally misinterpreted. I am going to make a lengthy thread debunking each and every one of these arguements

Specterxxxx · Apr 28, 2026

Damage3245 said:
Yeah - even if we accepted Nel's statement as being absolutely true and accurate... we're no more required to be forced to use that statement than we are to use any other outlier statements like Candice's arrows being a measly 5 gigajoules, or Kenpachi failing to cut through steel.

The fact that this is an argument is genuinely crazy.

Ecronicron · Apr 28, 2026

KillerNerd007 said:
So again you are relying on panels that aren't to scale?

And who determines whether or not a panel is up to scale? You? And will you have this same energy when discussing calcs for other calcs? If we can't take the panels for scale here then we can't take it anywhere

SharkBook01 said:
Nel's statement is consistent narratively, while this calc is not.

- Nel is literally the guide in Hueco Mundo for both the characters and the readers. Every single thing she says is correct, no reason to believe she's wrong.

- It was stated in the Databook 3 that the mission to rescue Orihime took multiple days, which is consistent with the place being massive.

They didn't spend most of that time travelling, ichigo and the gang were relentlessly locked in one battle after another

SharkBook01 said:
- Both the characters and the databooks talk about how massive Las Noches was. (Going by the logic used in this thread, it's less than half the size of the small town the gang lives in)

Its considered massive because it's a singular building. A hypothetical 4'8 baby would be unfathomably massive but the same cannot be said for Om even though they would both be the same size. And I never said its the size of a town, just that it's not a fraction of the red sea coast

SharkBook01 said:
If we go by the actual interior (which is where we spend the majority of the arc) it shown multiple times that the desert is so big that different buildings can be too far away to see. Which doesn't make any sense if you're going to say all these unnaturally large buildings and structures are contained within a 3-mile diameter. Every Espada has their own castle in Las Noches, and they're huge even by Las Noches standards, yet we see that they're all spread apart by so much desert that they're not even visible to each other.

Yes we should consider these things in the calc but you are exaggerating their size. Its not enough to reincofrce Nel's insane statement. At least i say that as someone who is judging only off the scan and not calcs for these structures

SharkBook01 said:
The only thing that backs the calc is pixel scaling panels of Las Noches exterior, when we've already accepted for Bleach multiple times that Kubo doesn't draw things to scale consistently, and that it's more accurate to use statements.

Someone earlier in the thread addressed this

SharkBook01 · Apr 28, 2026

Damage3245 said:
Yeah - even if we accepted Nel's statement as being absolutely true and accurate... we're no more required to be forced to use that statement than we are to use any other outlier statements like Candice's arrows being a measly 5 gigajoules, or Kenpachi failing to cut through steel.

Except Nel's statement is way more consistent with the narrative than this calc.

Damn near every shot of the interior of Las Noches shows it being way bigger than 3 miles in diameter, and canonically, it makes no sense for Ichigo and gang to take as long as they did traversing Las Noches when people in real life can run that distance in 12-15 minutes.

KillerNerd007 · Apr 28, 2026

Damage3245 said:
Yeah - even if we accepted Nel's statement as being absolutely true and accurate... we're no more required to be forced to use that statement than we are to use any other outlier statements like Candice's arrows being a measly 5 gigajoules, or Kenpachi failing to cut through steel.

What did I just read?

Damage3245 · Apr 28, 2026

KillerNerd007 said:
What did I just read?

I quoted part of the OP's own argument. Statements aren't the end-all, be-all of powerscaling.

KillerNerd007 · Apr 28, 2026

Ecronicron said:
And who determines whether or not a panel is up to scale? You? And will you have this same energy when discussing calcs for other calcs? If we can't take the panels for scale here then we can't take it anywhere

We are using it to determine the scale of a location. Calcs are a different case together.

KillerNerd007 · Apr 28, 2026

Damage3245 said:
I quoted part of the OP's own argument. Statements aren't the end-all, be-all of powerscaling.

Which are also bad.

I mean that's just one statement that has no scaling, and Gremmy specifically said harder than steel and Kenpachi just cut it immediately after.

KillerNerd007 · Apr 28, 2026

SharkBook01 said:
Except Nel's statement is way more consistent with the narrative than this calc.

Damn near every shot of the interior of Las Noches shows it being way bigger than 3 miles in diameter, and canonically, it makes no sense for Ichigo and gang to take as long as they did traversing Las Noches when people in real life can run that distance in 12-15 minutes.

Exactly!

SharkBook01 · Apr 28, 2026

Ecronicron said:
They didn't spend most of that time travelling, ichigo and the gang were relentlessly locked in one battle after another

I don't believe any of the battles were extended long enough to say that they took that long. A brunt of their time had to be spent traveling.

Ecronicron said:
Its considered massive because it's a singular building. A hypothetical 4'8 baby would be unfathomably massive but the same cannot be said for Om even though they would both be the same size. And I never said its the size of a town, just that it's not a fraction of the red sea coast.

Okay, but the point of this panel is to establish that the scale in Las Noches is huge if even the smaller-looking buildings are unnaturally large. Basically, every building we see in Las Noches is ridiculously tall.

Ecronicron said:
Yes we should consider these things in the calc but you are exaggerating their size. Its not enough to reincofrce Nel's insane statement. At least i say that as someone who is judging only off the scan and not calcs for these structures

I'm literally not though? It would be physically impossible for skyscraper-sized buildings or structures not to be visible in a less than 3-mile area that's mostly flat. Especially when they're still not even visible from aerial views. And again most of the time spent in Las Noches is inside the canopy. Unless we're arguing that the inside is just way bigger than the outside on some Doctor Who Tardis type shit, it's much more consistent for Las Noches to be bigger than 3-miles in diameter.

Ecronicron said:
Someone earlier in the thread addressed this

I'm arguing that Nel's statement is actually backed by the narrative, while the calc makes no sense within the story. Nobody is refuting that.

Specterxxxx · Apr 28, 2026

Also why are we using the atmospheric conditions as an argument, when soul society a similar reishi world doesn't follow that rule? characters can fight above it's atmosphere in both the anime and the manga. Anyways i will make post addressing the arguments the op made in this post in the next 1 hour or so.

Ecronicron · Apr 28, 2026

SharkBook01 said:
I don't believe any of the battles were extended long enough to say that they took that long. A brunt of their time had to be spent traveling.

But they were, which is why it took them so long. They barely spend any time travelling

SharkBook01 said:
Okay, but the point of this panel is to establish that the scale in Las Noches is huge if even the smaller-looking buildings are unnaturally large. Basically, every building we see in Las Noches is ridiculously tall.

You showed two scans for these "ridculously tall structures". the red pillars where Ichigo fought grimmjow are already established as 30 meters wide from the databook statement and the second building In front of which Rukia is standing is not even on the level of your average skyscraper. Any big city has buildings far wider.

SharkBook01 said:
I'm literally not though? It would be physically impossible for skyscraper-sized buildings or structures not to be visible in a less than 3-mile area that's mostly flat. Especially when they're still not even visible from aerial views. And again most of the time spent in Las Noches is inside the canopy. Unless we're arguing that the inside is just way bigger than the outside on some Doctor Who Tardis type shit, it's much more consistent for Las Noches to be bigger than 3-miles in diameter.

No one ever said the diameter is 3 miles, even Ghost put it at 5. Again if you have a calc that does not rely on the statement, I would like to see it

SharkBook01 said:
I'm arguing that Nel's statement is actually backed by the narrative, while the calc makes no sense within the story. Nobody is refuting that.

I was talking about you treating accepted by the wiki as objective fact.

Anyway i have better stuff to do with my time than bleachscaling in the 2026

bbl to see what ghost and his goons cook up in a day or so

M3X_2.0 · Apr 28, 2026

I read through the arc yesterday and seeing all the scans linked in this thread, I completely disagree with the notion that Las Noches size is inconsistent. It’s consistently way smaller than 200km+, it’s actually very consistently under 10km and it being a 5ish km structure seems far more reliable given all the panels it appears. It doesn’t have a single panel where it looks like even bigger than mere 20km.

I thought it was more than one statement suggesting what the size would be, but it’s just a timeframe statement? Do you guys have the slightest idea of how much the size can change depending on the speed used? Depending on if they took breaks? Do you have an idea of the amount of variables in this method?

I completely disagree with the current calc. If you guys think the art is unreliable then don’t use the panels to calc any of the feats involving it and you guys can keep the size. Or if you want to use the feats then comply with the new calc. This is the only compromise me and Damage are willing to make here, since Ghost said this is a Calc Group thread, and we’re the only ones here, I expect this to be respected.

SharkBook01 · Apr 28, 2026

Ecronicron said:
But they were, which is why it took them so long. They barely spend any time travelling

They were literally exhausted from traveling at multiple points, so clearly they did.

Ecronicron said:
You showed two scans for these "ridculously tall structures". the red pillars where Ichigo fought grimmjow are already established as 30 meters wide from the databook statement and the second building In front of which Rukia is standing is not even on the level of your average skyscraper. Any big city has buildings far wider.

????

Okay, so I should show you pillars that were around a hundred feet wide and hundreds of feet tall, and those same pillars are dwarfed by the buildings I'm referring to are completely dwarfed by the buildings I'm referring to.... uhh yeah I proved they're really tall.

Ecronicron said:
No one ever said the diameter is 3 miles, even Ghost put it at 5. Again if you have a calc that does not rely on the statement, I would like to see it

He calculated it to be around 5 km, which is 3 miles, which just makes zero sense with the size inside of Las Noches.

DavidTPPM · Apr 28, 2026

SharkBook01 said:
also it's literally accepted on the Bleach page to take statements over visuals.

So the verse gets mostly capped to building level off of Candice's statement with mountain level god tiers off of Aizens, right?

Since visuals don't matter and statements take full priority.

I mean hell by accepting the visuals of Las Noches as inconsistent you're admitting it's unusable as a point of reference for calculations still dooming the calcs this aims to remove.

SharkBook01 · Apr 28, 2026

DavidTPPM said:
So the verse gets mostly capped to building level off of Candice's statement with mountain level god tiers off of Aizens, right?

Since visuals don't matter and statements take full priority.

I mean hell by accepting the visuals of Las Noches as inconsistent you're admitting it's unusable as a point of reference for calculations still dooming the calcs this aims to remove.

You're ignoring like half my argument.

I said Nel's statement is more credible because it's supported by the narrative, while the calc isn't. I'm not just saying that every statement trumps automatically.

- Even if we assumed Ichigo traveled the entire length of Las Noches, normal people can run three miles in like 12-15 minutes. It makes no sense for Ichigo and the gang to take as long as they did to traverse Las Noches if it's that small. They should have been zooming around it in seconds.

- It makes no sense for characters and the guidebook to make note of how big Las Noches is if it's only 3-miles in diameter. That's less than half of Karakura Town, which is noted to be a small town.

- Nel's statement lines up with the databooks saying the mission to rescue Orihime took several days.

- Nel is the guide for both the readers and characters about what Heuco Mundo is like, and she is proven to be extremely credible.

- The inside of Las Noches, which is where we mainly spend most of the time, is blatantly shown to be bigger than 3 miles.

Snakes · Apr 28, 2026

DavidTPPM said:
So the verse gets mostly capped to building level off of Candice's statement with mountain level god tiers off of Aizens, right?

Since visuals don't matter and statements take full priority.

I mean hell by accepting the visuals of Las Noches as inconsistent you're admitting it's unusable as a point of reference for calculations still dooming the calcs this aims to remove.

I would also like to add that we should put Chad over the soul king because Ichigo cannot imagine him losing. We should get on that asap

KingogKings777 · Apr 28, 2026

So just to get this correct we saying Las Noches is this big?

M3X_2.0 · Apr 28, 2026

Did you just doxx yourself

Slacjow · Apr 28, 2026

Damage3245 said:
We can see from the ceiling of Las Noches to the floor of Las Noches all within one panel; does this look 86 kilometers tall to you? If so, how wide is that beam meant to be? By pixelscaling, around 34.5 kilometers wide.

Also, I don't think those structures are supposed to be several kms wide each. They appear in many chapters and not even once were they portrayed to be even several hundred meters wide, let alone several kms.

KingogKings777 said:
So just to get this correct we saying Las Noches is this big?

Why is this an issue? Are we going to pretend that a 5340m wide building is small?

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