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The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread

So Adamantium is 5D right

Wouldn't that mean that Tony's Iron Man Armor Model 72 is 5D too?

I mean it crushed a Adamantium skull like light work, it's durable enough to tank and even bend Adamantium claws
 
Now to a more difficult question... While I do believe Matthew Malloy can be given a profile considering he was extremely important for a time to multiple characters when he was canon, the issue is where exactly to tier him and who to scale him to ? I think we can scale him really high to be honest.

Firstly, even when Matthew was a Child, Charles Xavier firmly believed no one he knew could stand up to the power Matthew was unleashing and that he was a threat to the entire world, the Avengers included. It even showed Jean Grey , Hulk, and several others getting instantly destroyed in Xavier's view of what would happen to them if they encountered Matthew. Charles Xavier even doubled down in saying Child Matthew held more power than any he had ever faced, confirming his supremacy over everything Charles knows of , describing his destructive power as turning the entire world inside out.

Malloy has several goat quotes at the time (More powerful than any mutant the X-Men had ever seen, a power so great none of us can even hope to understand, is a power no human can ever hope to control, etc ) , Maria Hill heavily implied sending the Avengers was something they absolutely shouldn't do, implying they'd get murked.

Based on all of this, I genuinely think Malloy is 1-A. Even as a Child Malloy was > Anything Charles Xavier ever faced or known about, and he got even stronger as time went on as mutants tend to do and as was proven with how his powers developed even with all of the psychic inhibitors to them Xavier put. His powers disregard the laws of physics, time and space, as well as being superior to every other mutant ever known by the X-Men at the time. It all seems really blatant to me.
 
As I read throught New Mutants I find myself really impressed by Magma even though I'm reading for Magik to rework her.

Not suprised most of the New Mutants don't have profiles aside from Sunspot but she's particularly impressive, so far she has 2 pretty decently high tier 7 feats (one is like a casual magnitude 6 earthquake for the manhattan island, the other is creating a really large ass volcano from moving a shit ton of earth) and one max potential 5-B feat where she temporarily maintains a planets GBE holding it together delaying its destruction
 
The_2nd_Existential_Seed said:
I have a really genuine question about the Phoenix Five, if they have a literal 1/5th of the Phoenix Force, why in the love of all that is acceptable in the world are they not just straight up 1-A ? Like implying they are any lower than 1-A implies having a fifth of the Phoenix Force's powers somehow makes one unfathomably weaker than a fraction of a 1-A's powers, which doesn't make logical sense in any regard.

Also, Phoenix Force Cyclops could fight on par with the same Hope and Scarlet Witch who proceeded to erase the Phoenix Force. Like... Am I the only one who things how weird them being any lower than 1-A is ?
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are you gonna make a thread on this?
 
Ser_Hakim_Dayne said:
Has anyone planned a profile for Ikol/Loki Post-Siege?
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I was going to do one for my big Asgardian revision I'm working on, but admittedly Ikol Loki is my big blind spot with Thor comics. If someone else, knows knows more about the characters and likes them more than me, wants to do a profile that's completely fine.

I'm planning to upgrade old Loki to something like "3-C, Low 1-C at peak physically, Low 1-C, 1-A at peak with magic" but I don't know if Ikol would scale to their previous self.
 
ObberGobb said:
I was going to do one for my big Asgardian revision I'm working on, but admittedly Ikol Loki is my big blind spot with Thor comics. If someone else, knows knows more about the characters and likes them more than me, wants to do a profile that's completely fine.

I'm planning to upgrade old Loki to something like "3-C, Low 1-C at peak physically, Low 1-C, 1-A at peak with magic" but I don't know if Ikol would scale to their previous self.
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Okay

Excellence616 said:
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I'm currently reading The Mighty Thor #15 (by Jason Aaron) and in the first few pages we see Gladiator blitz Heimdall, and it says you have to be "fast enough to cross entire galaxies in the blink of a god's eye" to do that.
 
What tier would scaling to Unworthy Thor be? Are we treating him as being at roughly the same level as normal Thor, or just 3-C?
 
Shouldn't Jeff The Shark be 1-A because it's stated under "Toon Force" that he once ate and obtained the Infinity Guantlet
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HenshinIntervention said:
Shouldn't Jeff The Shark be 1-A because it's stated under "Toon Force" that he once ate and obtained the Infinity Guantlet
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no it is an outlier and was shown only once in a gag
 
Iron Man Model 50 (Superior Iron Man) is currently listed as
Varies (The strength of the armor is dependent on the amount of forming compound added), up to Planet level (One-shot the Model 36 armor)

However, the rating for Iron Man Model 36 (Hulkbuster) is currently Low 1-C. Since Model 50 easily tore apart a Model 36, shouldn't he be Low 1-C?
 
Excellence616

Thread 'Marvel Comics: Heralds Speed Revision.'

Marvel Herald scaling is a mess. This thread is to upgrade High and Mid Herald speed as well as give each tier their own speed rating.



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I see we don't have a profile for Iron Man's Mark 3 Suit, is there any way to theorize what AP it would have? Right now, it should sit between the MK 2's 9-A and the MK 4's High 8-C.
 
I'm not sure if anybody here is looking into it, but has anybody thought about adding Miracleman to the wiki? I think he'd be interesting to look at, but I'm not sure how to go about calcing his feats and whatnot.
 
We don't just scale like that. We should be careful when scaling herald. Those guys are trickly. Red Hulk was able to beat the Watcher, Grandmaster and Silver Surfer. Most of his fights are PIS. I don't know what type of weed Jeph was on when writing Red Hulk.
HenshinIntervention said:
When I say "The Devil" I always mean The Devil Hulk moving forward
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He never fought Devil Hulk or even meet him.
 
I think we should remove Thor/Hercules/Hulk's Varies, 3-C and Low 1-C rating, it's arbitrary and unnecessarily complicated tbh.
 
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Ser_Hakim_Dayne said:
I think we should remove Thor/Hercules/Hulk's Varies, 3-C and Low 1-C rating, it's unnecessarily complicated tbh.
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For example, Saitama is not given a "Varies" rating because he often holds back, we don't give him any other tiers when he holds back or holds back less than usual (Serious Punch), but only 4-A because that is his full power.

Thor, Hercules and Hulk should just have a 1-A rating and all other Heralds who are 3-C and/or Low 1-C because they scale to the former should scale to other feats and characters because it's too arbitrary, if not impossible, to scale Herald AP to Thor, Hulk and Hercules when they hold back or hold back less than usual (how do you prove that the Thor, Hulk or Hercules that X or Y Herald fought was 3-C or Low 1-C or other tier?)
 
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