The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread

[Tomfer]

There are many characters scaling here, many of which are scaling directly or indirectly to spider man so if they don't properly discuss who scales and who doesn't this is just another mess that no one will be able to fix.

Indeed.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

but the site where I was reading them exploded

ReadAllComics?

 

[Entity]

ReadAllComics?

Yup

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

Btw this thread here says that this won't affect other street levels, but that's untrue, lmao. Scaling will be affected and a few characters that are merely bullet timers will be upgraded.

A case can be made that a lot LESS people should scale to him than we list currently. A separate thread should probably be made to address that before anything is added.

Because like, yeah, Spider Man being rated as low as we have him currently is kinda ridiculous lol.

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

Off topic, has anyone thought about making a profile for Absorbing Man?

Was thinking of tackling him sooner or later but I am not too familiar with Herald scaling (and he's undoubtedly Herald tier with his absorption ability, at least as an upper limit)

 

[SamanPatou]

.Because like, yeah, Spider Man being rated as low as we have him currently is kinda ridiculous lolol.

Really? How come? I'm actually curious.
Not too spark a debate, but I instead believe the opposite, that High 8-C+ is already kinda overboard.
I may be mr. lowball, but going by general depictions, Spider-Man and his allies and rogues are almost never portrayed as this strong, aside from scaling, which we know being arbitrary narrative-wise.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Really? How come? I'm actually curious.
Not too spark a debate, but I instead believe the opposite, that High 8-C+ is already kinda overboard.
I may be mr. lowball, but going by general depictions, Spider-Man and his allies and rogues are almost never portrayed as this strong, aside from scaling, which we know being arbitrary narrative-wise.

I think they are all referring to speed not AP.

 

[SamanPatou]

You're right, I was still groggy from the morning awakening, so I misread.

 

[Progrev228]

Please, correct me if i'm wrong.
Gwenpool realm accepted as higher reality compared to E-616. Should abstracts and others then become High 1-A? There also like 10 scans with R>F difference between realities, ideaverse, and almost a direct confirmation of hierarchy from Dreadpool.

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

You're right, I was still groggy from the morning awakening, so I misread.

I mean it's kinda arbitrary.

If we really wanted consistency than no street tier would be above like, 9-B to 9-A since they all have infinitely more feats at that level.

Which like I would be fine with personally.

 

[SamanPatou]

Please, correct me if i'm wrong.
Gwenpool realm accepted as higher reality compared to E-616. Should abstracts and others then become High 1-A? There also like 10 scans with R>F difference between realities, ideaverse, and almost a direct confirmation of hierarchy from Dreadpool.

I'd wary of doing it because Gwenpool's Gutter Space is pretty much her own thing and we have never seen it being put in relation to any entity aside from what may be assumed to the TOAA (as in, creative force made of writers, artists and authors).
Evil Gwen somehow influenced Eternity, but we don't know how much or in which way. She herself kinda breaks several other rules and makes the fourth wall her own canon.

Maybe if future stories will give more insight on the Gutter Space's placement within the omniverse we may elaborate more, but as of now there are just too many inconsistencies.

I mean it's kinda arbitrary.

If we really wanted consistency than no street tier would be above like, 9-B to 9-A since they all have infinitely more feats at that level.
Which like I would be fine with personally.

I personnally draw a line that doesn't really focus solely on consistency. We have also seen some 8-C feats, not just from explosions, so I personally draw my personal idea around that level.
Of course that's just my personal opinion.

 

[J_Tghty56]

Please, correct me if i'm wrong.
Gwenpool realm accepted as higher reality compared to E-616. Should abstracts and others then become High 1-A? There also like 10 scans with R>F difference between realities, ideaverse, and almost a direct confirmation of hierarchy from Dreadpool.

I think , you should talk with goofy in this regard, he is pretty experienced when it comes to deal with tire 1-A and tire High 1-A

 

[Excellence616]

Am I the only one who thinks that our 5-B characters could use some improvements?
All explanations are quickly dealt with with various scaling chains, with neither scans nor references, which in a way or another end with Hulk.
We could also use some more support feats, as of now the only one, from what I see, is Hulk's meteor. Mind you, I'm not saying it's not valid, just that it seems weird to rely only on that.

Working on that.

Might be able to scale thing to SS a bit. And I think there’s a feat of thing tanking blasters planet busting beams or whatever

Bro struggles with Base Hulk always.

I think so, or at least a "possibly" for it. He's pretty consistently shown to be a teambuster and is shown to be well above the likes of Thor and Hulk, and the phrasing on a lot of his feats/statements indicates to me that he's not just above them when they are holding back.

Possibly is okay

Does anyone here know anything about Ares? Would he scale to Low 1-C or 3-C?

He is 3-C level.

debatable, pretty sure Ben gets stronger as he ages plus there was that weird spike amp he got

Didn't that few chapters? iirc, it was when he fought Grey Hulk

 

[Excellence616]

Off topic, has anyone thought about making a profile for Absorbing Man?

Was thinking of tackling him sooner or later but I am not too familiar with Herald scaling (and he's undoubtedly Herald tier with his absorption ability, at least as an upper limit)

He varies to Low 1-C with absorption. He once had a profile. His rating then was 1-A.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Working on that.

How is it going?

 

[Excellence616]

How is it going?

Very very slow fam.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Bro struggles with Base Hulk always.

There is no such thing as “base” hulk

Didn't that few chapters? iirc, it was when he fought Grey Hulk

Pretty sure it lasted longer then that

 

[Antvasima]

Do our staff members currently need to evaluate anything here?

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Do our staff members currently need to evaluate anything here?

Thread '(STAFF NEEDED) Marvel Comics: God Physiology Additions'

Jan 28, 2025

God Physiology current page:

God Physiology (Marvel Comics)

In Marvel, it has been constantly shown that the divine pantheons of the Marvel universe, from Asgardians to Elder Gods, are an instrumental part of the cosmology and narrative. As such, the Gods of Marvel have all constantly been shown to share similar powers, despite the differing natures of...

vsbattles.fandom.com

My sandbox with other abilities and justifications for already accepted abilites added

Ser Hakim Dayne/Sandbox3

vsbattles.fandom.com

I also propose to remove the common abilities of the gods mentioned in the pages of certain characters (like Thor and Hercules), they are not necessary because they are already mentioned in the Physiology page.


List of abilities added:

• Space Survival
• Automatic Translation
• Immo Type 3

List of resistances added:

• ...

• Ser_Hakim_Dayne
• marvel comics
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[Antvasima]

Thread '(STAFF NEEDED) Marvel Comics: God Physiology Additions'

Jan 28, 2025

God Physiology current page:

God Physiology (Marvel Comics)

In Marvel, it has been constantly shown that the divine pantheons of the Marvel universe, from Asgardians to Elder Gods, are an instrumental part of the cosmology and narrative. As such, the Gods of Marvel have all constantly been shown to share similar powers, despite the differing natures of...

vsbattles.fandom.com

My sandbox with other abilities and justifications for already accepted abilites added

Ser Hakim Dayne/Sandbox3

vsbattles.fandom.com

I also propose to remove the common abilities of the gods mentioned in the pages of certain characters (like Thor and Hercules), they are not necessary because they are already mentioned in the Physiology page.


List of abilities added:

• Space Survival
• Automatic Translation
• Immo Type 3

List of resistances added:

• ...

• Ser_Hakim_Dayne
• marvel comics
• Replies: 46
• Forum: Content Revision

• 

Well, that page seems fine to me, but we need further staff input.

@Qawsedf234 @Firestorm808 @Elizio33 @Catzlaflame @Deagonx @ByAsura @Emirp sumitpo @IdiosyncraticLawyer @LordTracer @Maverick_Zero_X @Dark-Carioca @Elizhaa @DarkDragonMedeus @FinePoint @SamanPatou @Starter_Pack

What do you think about this?

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

He varies to Low 1-C with absorption. He once had a profile. His rating then was 1-A.

I was going to put him at:

At least Street level (Even without absorption powers, he can casually overpower and ragdoll normal humans. Considered as strong as a Bull) Varies from Below Average Human level (can become as weak as glass or paper, or as loose as a mound of cocaine) to Galaxy level (Loki considered him strong enough to defeat Thor, and has battled him on numerous occasions, often fighting him to a stalemate. Was capable of absorbing the power of Black Bolt's scream) With Absorption. Likely Far Higher (Absorbed a portion of a Cosmic Cube. Overwhelmed Dormammu after absorbing the Dark Enchantment).

I have scans for all of this of course.

 

[Entity]

I was going to put him at:

At least Street level (Even without absorption powers, he can casually overpower and ragdoll normal humans. Considered as strong as a Bull) Varies from Below Average Human level (can become as weak as glass or paper, or as loose as a mound of cocaine) to Galaxy level (Loki considered him strong enough to defeat Thor, and has battled him on numerous occasions, often fighting him to a stalemate. Was capable of absorbing the power of Black Bolt's scream) With Absorption. Likely Far Higher (Absorbed a portion of a Cosmic Cube. Overwhelmed Dormammu after absorbing the Dark Enchantment).

I have scans for all of this of course.

And he also absorbed part of the Odin Power

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

And he also absorbed part of the Odin Power

I'm a bit confused what "end" Absorbing Man would scale to when it comes to Herald tiers.

Like, because he could just solidly be low 1-C (with absorption) but it's stated that Thor regularly holds back against his mortal rogues. If he does scale to the low 1-C then the Odin feat is a good support for that. If not I'd just move it to "likely far higher".

 

[Entity]

I'm a bit confused what "end" Absorbing Man would scale to when it comes to Herald tiers.

Like, because he could just solidly be low 1-C (with absorption) but it's stated that Thor regularly holds back against his mortal rogues. If he does scale to the low 1-C then the Odin feat is a good support for that. If not I'd just move it to "likely far higher".

Everything with adamantium scales low 1-C now, so if the Absorbing Man absorbed that you can put him low 1-C

 

[Antvasima]

The Absorbing Man is inconsistent (as usual for Marvel). Quasar, the Hulk, and Sentry have overloaded him, but he has also copied a Cosmic Cube and beaten up Dormammu, as was mentioned above, although Mark Waid, very understandably, hates Dormammu, so that was in a story wherein the latter was also beaten up by the Howling Commandos (the version with Frankenstein's Monster).

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

Everything with adamantium scales low 1-C now, so if the Absorbing Man absorbed that you can put him low 1-C

He absorbed Captain America's shield in the past, so that would low 1-C in durability .

So yeah I might just say he varies up to Low 1-C (citing his battles with Thor, Hulk, and absorbing Odin's power) alongside a possibly higher rating.

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

beaten up Dormammu, as was mentioned above, although Mark Waid, very understandably, hates Dormammu, so that was in a story wherein the latter was also beaten up by the Howling Commandos (the version with Frankenstein's Monster).

Yeah I felt pretty iffy on that feat too. Hence not putting it in his AP rating as anything more than a "far higher".

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

The Absorbing Man is inconsistent (as usual for Marvel). Quasar, the Hulk, and Sentry have overloaded him, but he has also copied a Cosmic Cube and beaten up Dormammu, as was mentioned above, although Mark Waid, very understandably, hates Dormammu, so that was in a story wherein the latter was also beaten up by the Howling Commandos (the version with Frankenstein's Monster).

Part of me wants to joke about buffing the Howling Commandos, but with how comics can be sometimes I'm not sure how much of a joke that would be...

 

[Antvasima]

Something of likely interest.

ComicsPRO '25: Marvel & DC to crossover again later this year

The new DC/Marvel crossover will come in the form of a pair of one-shots due out in comic shops later this year.

www.comicsbeat.com

Brace Yourselves, Marvel and DC Just Announced Its Next Big Crossover Event

Marvel and DC are finally reuniting.

screenrant.com

 

[SamanPatou]

Absorbing Man once entered the realm of the abstracts by copying Hank Pym, iirc, so you may voice for that as well.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Absorbing Man once entered the realm of the abstracts by copying Hank Pym, iirc, so you may voice for that as well.

I remember that one Avengers academy #7, he went crazy and he couldn't even properly control the size changing.

 

[Tyranno223]

Something of likely interest.

ComicsPRO '25: Marvel & DC to crossover again later this year

The new DC/Marvel crossover will come in the form of a pair of one-shots due out in comic shops later this year.

www.comicsbeat.com

Brace Yourselves, Marvel and DC Just Announced Its Next Big Crossover Event

Marvel and DC are finally reuniting.

screenrant.com

DC crossing over with Marvel and Sonic. What a treat.

 

[Antvasima]

I liked the JLA/Avengers and Silver Surfer/Superman crossovers, but did not care much for the rest.

 

[SamanPatou]

How would you folks call this resistance? It's explicitly meant to be old-style scientific gibberish (the volume is a callback miniseries) and there is no further context.

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

How would you folks call this resistance? It's explicitly meant to be old-style scientific gibberish (the volume is a callback miniseries) and there is no further context.

Apparently, while I had the aperture setting open wide enough, Modok was unaffected by the particle stun blast.

Maybe a mix of resistance to matter manipulation and paralysis inducement?

 

[HenshinIntervention]

Couldn't find a suitable thread to post this in, nor felt like making one... So what do you guys think about this document on The Living Tribunal?

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

So it looks like Thor's 5D feats are going to be upgraded to 1-A according to this thread

 

[Entity]

So it looks like Thor's 5D feats are going to be upgraded to 1-A according to this thread

1-A adamantium and Captain America's shield

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

This is from Thor's page:

Thematics​

Thor's characterisation has changed over the years. Although writers such as Stan Lee and especially Tom DeFalco portrayed him as extremely noble, brave, responsible, heroic, and compassionate, several later writers have gradually distorted Thor's character to turn him increasingly unsympathetic, perhaps starting with Ron Marz's "Blood and Thunder" storyline (the same writer who turned Hal Jordan into a megalomaniacal serial-killer), and much later culminating in Nick Spencer inexplicably making Thor a follower to the Hydra duplicate of Captain America, and Donny Cates portraying him as a mirthless, callous, and hollow irresponsible power fantasy, and this is worsened by that the most extremely rightwing part of Thor's audience seems to largely enthusiastically prefer Cates' type of portrayal.

Writers such as J. Michael Straczynski and Al Ewing have attempted to at least partially return Thor to his much more sympathetic and thoughtful characterisation roots, more positive and humane narrative, and very well-written storyarcs, but it remains to be seen if Marvel Comics editorial department as a whole consider Thor to have a too damaged history of decades of horribly mismatched characterisation (due to writers who either hate the character or love him for unsympathetic reasons), combined with potentially problematic real world implications of Norse mythology, to not be replaced in thematic function and power level stature by other superhero characters such as Storm, Phoenix, Captain Marvel, Blue Marvel, Spectrum, and the Scarlet Witch, as Al Ewing's current (as of February 2025) storyline has declared that Thor's final death is approaching, and Thor is barely appearing in any stories outside of his own comic book anymore, and the times he has appeared in recent years, such as in Kieron Gillen's "Judgment Day" storyline, it has recurrently been as a one-dimensional punchline to be depowered and humiliated.

What the hell is this?
Marvel really planning to possibly get rid of Thor?

 

[SamanPatou]

I didn't even know there was such a thing in the page.

Do we really need such a thing? I feel it's quite unrelated to everything meaningful to the indexing purpose of our profile and the writing as a whole seems quite biased and written from a not-very-neutral perspective, injecting some personal opinions into it, making it rather unprofessional.