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Date a Live upgrade to 2C or possibly 2C (staff needed)

Compsito

Compsito

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Antes que nada, un cordial saludo a todos los que lean esto. He de decir que este es mi primer hilo en vsbw, y espero que este tema pueda solucionarse rápidamente, ya que no es un tema muy extenso.

El objetivo principal es actualizar el perfil de Mio Takamiya al nivel 2C basándose en varias declaraciones.
En primer lugar, está la declaración durante los eventos del volumen 18, donde se dijo que el espíritu de origen (Mio) puede destruir toda la existencia.
Este escaneo probablemente ya fue visto aquí, sin embargo, tengo que argumentar más puntos a favor.

Si destacamos la parte más importante:

"Matando a todas las criaturas vivientes y reescribiendo todas las leyes, el Espíritu del Origen podría extinguir toda la existencia ".

La parte donde mencionan que es capaz de matar a todas las criaturas y reescribir cada ley es una clara referencia a sus dos primeros ángeles, Ain soph y Ain soph aur.

En cuanto a la parte sobre la destrucción de toda la existencia, se refiere a su tercer ángel, Ain, a quien se describe como poseedor de la capacidad de " borrar todo".

Dando más puntos a favor de esto, la última temporada del anime nos regaló una hazaña a destacar, y es en el momento en que el antagonista principal, Wescott, utiliza el opuesto de Ain, que es "Qemetiel". Mio, quien al ser el portador de Ain es una fuente destacable, declaró que el poder de Wescott se había salido de control, y que si no lo detenían podría destruir el mundo entero ,

Esto tiene sentido, ya que Wescott acababa de obtener los poderes del espíritu de origen, y es normal que no tenga control sobre ellos. En cuanto a Mio, ella sí tiene control de este poder, ya que Ain no se salió de control cuando borró a Tokha en los eventos del volumen 18, y, aun así, en el momento en que Mio utilizó a Ain, la luz de este ángel cubrió por completo todo el mundo en el que se encontraban , (esto último es meramente información de apoyo, que sirve para argumentar a favor del rango de Ain).

Entonces propongo el siguiente nivel:

Potencia de Ataque: Nivel Universo+ ( Mio nació de la creación de todo el mana/reiryoku reunido en el universo y condensado en una sola forma de vida , como tal su reiryoku es comparable al reiryoku del universo que sustenta toda la existencia del cosmos principal y su desaparición puede llevar al colapso y destrucción del universo y su espacio-tiempo . Su nacimiento creó el mundo vecino, un universo paralelo con su propio espacio-tiempo paralelo , separado del universo principal a través de una fina capa , también podía controlar el mundo vecino ) Multiversal Bajo ( <Ain> es un ángel cuya luz puede cubrir el mundo entero . Con ella, el espíritu de origen podría destruir toda la existencia , lo que incluiría el universo y el mundo vecino, declarado como un ángel con la capacidad de borrarlo todo . Wescott, al emplear el opuesto de Ain, "Qemetiel", ejecutó un poder descontrolado que podría destruir el mundo en su totalidad)

La calificación puede cambiarse a posiblemente, según lo que te parezca mejor. Dicho esto, me despido y espero que tengas un buen día.

Agreed: @Godsatoshi23 @Sebas-S.P-san @Digital_Franz @Dragongod224 (possibly 2C)
[USUARIO=42972]@SCARECROW1983[/USUARIO] [USUARIO=37098]@Voidnether[/USUARIO] [USUARIO=45963]@Youngwolf-0.1[/USUARIO] [USUARIO=39554]@Baabasaplar95[/USUARIO] [USUARIO=27588]@Wikisource[/USUARIO] @ DarkDragonMedeus (2C)
Disagree: @Catpija @Mr. Bambu
 
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I don't see how it's 2-C. There's seems to be no evidence of there being multiple Space-Time continuums, unless I missed something.

Edit: I hadn't checked Mio's profil before, but there seems to have parallel world. I think possibly rating is fine without further context.
 
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Yeah, I agree, it was even stated in the profile parallel universe refers to something with a different space-time
 
Godsatoshi23 said:
Edit: I hadn't checked Mio's profil before, but there seems to have parallel world. I think possibly rating is fine without further context.
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Yes, the neighboring world is the other Universal space-time structure. Can I put you in agreement?
 
Wouldn't this just be Low 2-C?
It straight up says "the entire world" and "all of existence".
 
Catpija said:
Wouldn't this just be Low 2-C?
It straight up says "the entire world" and "all of existence".
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It would be if cosmology consisted only of one universe. But cosmology has not only the base universe, but also the neighboring world (which was created by Mio) which is already accepted as a low 2C structure, that plus the universe makes 2C possible.
 
To be clear, you should add the arguments already in the AP section of her profile. And I agree.
 
Compsito said:
First of all, I send a warm greeting to all who read this. I have to say that this is my first thread in vsbw, and I hope that this issue can be solved quickly, as it is not a very large topic.
The main goal, is to update Mio Takamiya's profile to the 2C level based on various statements.
First of all, there is the statement during the events of volume 18, where it was mentioned that the spirit of origin (Mio) could destroy all existence.
This scan was probably already seen here, however, I have to argue more points in favor.
If we highlight the most important part:

"Killing all living creatures and rewriting every law, the Spirit of Origin could extinguish all of existence".

The part where they mention that he is able to kill all creatures and rewrite every law is a clear reference to his first two angels, Ain shop aur and Ain soph.
As for the part about destroying all existence, he refers to his third angel, Ain, who is described as having the ability to "erase everything".
Giving more points in favor of this, the last season of the anime gave us a feat to highlight, and it is at the moment when the main antagonist, Wescott, uses the opposite of Ain, which is "Qemetiel". Mio, who being the bearer of Ain is a remarkable source, declared that Wescott's power had gotten out of control, and that if he was not stopped he could destroy the entire world, which under certain contexts can refer to the whole of everything that exists.
This makes sense, as Wescott had just obtained the powers of the spirit of origin, and it is normal for him to have no control over them. As for Mio, she does have control of this power, since Ain did not go out of control when she erased Tokha in the events of volume 18, and, even so, at the moment when Mio used Ain, the light of this angel completely covered the whole world they were in, (the latter is merely supporting information, which serves to argue in favor of Ain's rank).
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For cosmology I agree 2-C because of neighboring world nothing more

Compsito said:
Then, I propose the next level:

Attack Potency: Low Multiversal (<Ain> is an angel capable of filling the entire world with its light, with this angel it was said that the origin spirit could destroy all existence, which would include the universe and the neighboring world, stated as an angel capable of erasing everything. Wescott, not having control of Qemetiel, which is the opposite of Ain, could destroy the whole world).
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I disagree with this because no scen support neighboring world are included maybe all existence refer to every thing in one space-time which is low 2-C
 
Dragongod224 said:
I disagree with this because no scen support neighboring world are included maybe all existence refer to every thing in one space-time which is low 2-C
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I consider that "all existence" includes, well, all existence, I don't see much reason to limit it to a single space-time. Why do it? If pure 2C doesn't suit you, give a "possibly" option.
 
Here, seeing how a distinction is made between the world and the neighboring world and that it is then said "the whole world", it is more likely to refer to the worldine, to say the two structures. Possibly 2-C seems fine.
 
Compsito said:
It would be if cosmology consisted only of one universe. But cosmology has not only the base universe, but also the neighboring world (which was created by Mio) which is already accepted as a low 2C structure, that plus the universe makes 2C possible.
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The whole world and all of existence doesn't neccesarily means everything including all existing universes. The universe itself is often referred to be "the whole world".
 
Catpija said:
The whole world and all of existence doesn't neccesarily means everything including all existing universes. The universe itself is often referred to be "the whole world".
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Statements like this are the most vague, so I gotta agree with you on this one — Sometimes, the terminology really sucks.

Aside from that, I don't see a reason to decline 2-C as Low 2-C through Neighboring Worlds are already accepted in the first place (Cosmology) 🤷🏻‍♂️

But if you want to reiterate about the AP, I actually have to disagree with the OP if it refers to one singular universe and does not refer to Neighboring Worlds whatsoever.
 
Voidnether said:
Statements like this are the most vague, so I gotta agree with you on this one — Sometimes, the terminology really sucks.

Aside from that, I don't see a reason to decline 2-C as Low 2-C through Neighboring Worlds are already accepted in the first place (Cosmology) 🤷🏻‍♂️

But if you want to reiterate about the AP, I actually have to disagree with the OP if it refers to one singular universe and does not refer to Neighboring Worlds whatsoever.
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That's the also my point in my first comment
 
Catpija said:
The whole world and all of existence doesn't neccesarily means everything including all existing universes. The universe itself is often referred to be "the whole world".
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I take it that, "all that exists" refers to, well, all that exists, I don't see why limit it to a particular structure, however, if you say that it should not necessarily refer to both the neighboring world and the universe, it could also be said that it does not necessarily refer to a single structure, it is because of this variation of possibilities that there is the option "possibly 2C".
 
Compsito said:
I take it that, "all that exists" refers to, well, all that exists, I don't see why limit it to a particular structure, however, if you say that it should not necessarily refer to both the neighboring world and the universe, it could also be said that it does not necessarily refer to a single structure, it is because of this variation of possibilities that there is the option "possibly 2C".
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The problem here is how you define "world". By normal means, the world is the universe itself, not the total "cosmology" of the verse. You would need another supporting evidences to show why your interpretation is the correct one (world = entire cosmology).
 
Catpija said:
The problem here is how you define "world". By normal means, the world is the universe itself, not the total "cosmology" of the verse. You would need another supporting evidences to show why your interpretation is the correct one (world = entire cosmology).
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And that's where my other two magic cards exposed in the OP 🙅🏻 come in. Given that the main statement mentions the spirit of origin as a being capable of destroying "all existence", and the second statement mentioning that it can "erase everything". Those two, supported with the statement of being able to destroy "the whole world" form the basis of the argument. For, while separately they may not add much, together they hint at the power of <Ain> as something capable of destroying all existence, and, to the "all existence" being, well, all existence (at least the neighboring world and the universe) is what leads to the OP's reasoning 2C, or at the very least, "possibly 2C"
 
Compsito said:
Low Multiversal ( <Ain> is an angel whose light can cover the whole world. With it, the spirit of origin could destroy all existence, which would include the universe and the neighboring world, declared as an angel with the ability to erase everything.
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Bro I am confused with this why you interpretation all existence including neighboring world while the talking about that

mio can kill all living creatures and rewrite every law extinguish all existence

Which not stated neighboring world are included they're maybe just talking about their own world they're in

Can you please tell me which volume is this and and where I can find pdf to conform What the scene their when they talking about this

Compsito said:
Wescott, by employing Ain's opposite, "Qemetiel", executed an uncontrolled power that could destroy the world in its entirety)
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I watched the anime's all season and last one to so I can say that this is not enough for 2C because world in this case is just the world they're in
 
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Compsito said:
And that's where my other two magic cards exposed in the OP 🙅🏻 come in. Given that the main statement mentions the spirit of origin as a being capable of destroying "all existence", and the second statement mentioning that it can "erase everything". Those two, supported with the statement of being able to destroy "the whole world" form the basis of the argument. For, while separately they may not add much, together they hint at the power of <Ain> as something capable of destroying all existence, and, to the "all existence" being, well, all existence (at least the neighboring world and the universe) is what leads to the OP's reasoning 2C, or at the very least, "possibly 2C"
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You'd still need to prove that "all existence" refer to the whole cosmology of the verse. Its a basic No Limit Fallacy thing.

Considering how Mio have low 2-C amount of reiryoku, would it even be possible to exert more than that amount of potency/energy?
 
Dragongod224 said:
Bro I am confused with this why you interpretation all existence including neighboring world while the talking about that

mio can kill all living creatures and rewrite every law extinguish all existence

Which not stated neighboring world are included they're maybe just talking about their own world they're in
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I have to admit that I didn't understand this part.

Dragongod224 said:
watched the anime's all season and last one to so I can say that this is not enough for 2C because world in this case is just the world they're in
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I am aware that "destroy the whole world" in any work, by itself does not grant a qualification, however, in this OP it is being used as supporting evidence, given that Westcott was going to destroy the world in its entirety, world can mean the entirety of existence, and, previously it had been said that Ain can destroy all of existence.
 
Catpija said:
You'd still need to prove that "all existence" refer to the whole cosmology of the verse. Its a basic No Limit Fallacy thing.
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More however, in this case, it was explicitly said that it could destroy all existence, and it was subsequently shown that it is not mere verbiage for Westcott was going to destroy the world in its entirety, and, as I said, world can also mean all existence, and the only meaning I can think of to give to "all that exists" is "all that exists". If you disagree with the arguments you can say so and I will add your vote.
 
Given that one staff member already agreed to pure 2C, how many more votes are needed for this?
 
Compsito said:
More however, in this case, it was explicitly said that it could destroy all existence, and it was subsequently shown that it is not mere verbiage for Westcott was going to destroy the world in its entirety, and, as I said, world can also mean all existence, and the only meaning I can think of to give to "all that exists" is "all that exists". If you disagree with the arguments you can say so and I will add your vote.
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You need that prove the definition of the world/all existence is the total cosmology of the verse including multiple worlds. Thats my point.

I guess you can put my vote into the disagree section.
 
I really hate being the party pooper. It's a role so often assigned to me. It's no fun at all.

None of these feats relate to destroying two worlds. Even under the interpretation that they are Tier 2 doesn't seem to support them as specifically 2-C, as opposed to Low 2-C. That these feats are extrapolated to 2-C is a leap in logic, one I think is too far to afford a "possibly" rating to.
 
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