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Very simple 12D CRT for the Material World and Spirit World

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In Lord of the Mysteries 2: Circle of Inevitability, we gained deeper insight into the High Dimensional Overseer and his pathway. His pathway revolves around the concept and authority of dimensionality, granting him the power to manipulate his spatial dimensions. Notably, he demonstrated the ability to ascend to the 10th dimension while within the Material World.

In the previous Lord of the Mysteries CRT, the Material World and Spirit World were considered 5D based on the presence of at least one higher spatial dimension (+ time) and the Spirit World being an omnipresent realm overlapping the Material World (+ time), which itself contains these higher dimensions. However, with the recent revelation that the Material World possesses at least 10 spatial dimensions, it follows that the Spirit World would logically be at least 11D. (High Complex Multi)

This might affect the scaling for a few angel-level character's hax such as Fors who can collapse space, but that won't give her any tier right? Klein and Amon's profile will need some adjusting, but their overall tier remains the same.

This should be a very quick change.

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In the latest chapter during High Dimensional overseer and Celestial Master's fight in the 10th dimension, High Dimensional overseer was stated to ascend to the highest dimension to run away. Meaning that there should be at least 11 spatial dimensions in the Material World now. So the new rating would be: Spirit World 12D (1-B Hyper)

Agree to 12D (1-B): Celestial_Pegasus, Dereck03, ActuallySpaceMan42, Elizhaa, DarkDragonMedeus (DDM I think is leaning yes?)
 
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DarkDragonMedeus said:
Looks good to me.
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Elizhaa said:
These tiers look fine.
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I’ve updated the CRT to include a new detail from the latest chapter, which reveals another spatial dimension beyond the 10th. Here’s the edit I made:
LOTM_Historian said:
In the latest chapter during High Dimensional overseer and Celestial Master's fight in the 10th dimension, High Dimensional overseer was stated to ascend to the highest dimension to run away. Meaning that there should be at least 11 spatial dimensions in the Material World now. So the new rating would be: Spirit World 12D (1-B Hyper)
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I don't think I'd agree with 12-D; the conventional space-time continuum is 4th dimension which includes time; it wasn't mentioned that the character ascended up to the 10th dimension as if all of the axes are spatial. If the Material World and Spatial World orthologically transcends the real world and significant in-size then I suppose that's fine to make it 11-D.
 
GarrixianXD said:
I don't think I'd agree with 12-D; the conventional space-time continuum is 4th dimension which includes time; it wasn't mentioned that the character ascended up to the 10th dimension as if all of the axes are spatial. If the Material World and Spatial World orthologically transcends the real world and significant in-size then I suppose that's fine to make it 11-D.
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The character was in the material world (which is the real world) while ascending dimensions. As for whether this process is spatial: yes, HDO's ability specifically involves ascending spatial dimensions, as stated in the first scan. Saying the character ascends time seems odd, especially since both characters were bound by time during their battle, and HDO's ability was only ever stated to be spatial. As the previous upgrade thread established, the Spirit World is scaled relative to the material world's space-time continuum, encompassing all spatial and temporal dimensions. We previously only knew 1 higher spatial dimension existed in the material world, but now we know there is at least 11 spatial dimensions since HDO ascended to the 10th dimension during the fight and then once again ascended dimensions to escape the battle.
 
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GarrixianXD said:
I don't think I'd agree with 12-D; the conventional space-time continuum is 4th dimension which includes time; it wasn't mentioned that the character ascended up to the 10th dimension as if all of the axes are spatial. If the Material World and Spatial World orthologically transcends the real world and significant in-size then I suppose that's fine to make it 11-D.
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I think you are a little mistaken about this. The Material World is the real world and High-Dimensional Overseer's abilities involve spatial dimensions specifically. Since high-dimensional overseer can ascend to dimensions higher than the 10th, naturally there should be at least 11 spatial dimensions or more. And then if you add time, the material world's space-time continuum would be 12D in total, at least.
 
GarrixianXD said:
I don't think I'd agree with 12-D; the conventional space-time continuum is 4th dimension which includes time; it wasn't mentioned that the character ascended up to the 10th dimension as if all of the axes are spatial. If the Material World and Spatial World orthologically transcends the real world and significant in-size then I suppose that's fine to make it 11-D.
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The ability involves moving between spatial dimensions, as evidenced by the scans. This is further supported by portrayals of the Overseer during the fight, including statements like "infinite height away," which is also mentioned in the scans. Regarding the claim that some of these dimensions might be temporal, it should be noted that this is not stated in the story. Moreover, such a claim is unsupportable since the High-Dimensional Overseer was shown to be bound by linear time during the fight. Therefore shouldn't it be appropriate to scale the material world and spirit world to 12D(with the addition of one temporal dimension. Also the ascendence of dimensions were indeed in material world because spirit world was sealed at the time)?
 
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You've had more than 4 staff approve this already, you don't need my comment. Your CRT was passed yesterday.

Elizha, DDM, Celestial_Pegasus, and Dereck.

Also I honestly am greatly confused trying to grasp this text cause while it is pretty direct in the mentions of these higher dimensions, it is not at all sensical to me whether or not they fit properly into our own standards for higher dimensions.

Regardless, you're good to go I think unless Garrixian is particularly strong about their rejection of 12D
 
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Duedate8898 said:
You've had more than 4 staff approve this already, you don't need my comment. Your CRT was passed yesterday.

Elizha, DDM, Celestial_Pegasus, and Dereck.

Also I honestly am greatly confused trying to grasp this text cause while it is pretty direct in the mentions of these higher dimensions, it is not at all sensnsical to me whether or not they fit properly into our own standards for higher dimensions.
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The issue started when Elizha and DDM initially evaluated this CRT, as we were arguing for an 11D space-time continuum to represent the material world. This was based on a character ascending to the 10th higher spatial dimension.

However, a new chapter of the book revealed that the same character, who had previously ascended to the 10th spatial dimension, was able to reach an even higher dimension beyond the 10th. As a result, I revised the CRT, and we are now arguing for a 12D space-time continuum. So we need both of them to reevaluate the CRT.
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Regardless, you're good to go I think unless Garrixian is particularly strong about their rejection of 12D
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We addressed Garrixian’s rejection of 12D here but he never responded:
LOTM_Historian said:
The character was in the material world (which is the real world) while ascending dimensions. As for whether this process is spatial: yes, HDO's ability specifically involves ascending spatial dimensions, as stated in the first scan. Saying the character ascends time seems odd, especially since both characters were bound by time during their battle, and HDO's ability was only ever stated to be spatial. As the previous upgrade thread established, the Spirit World is scaled relative to the material world's space-time continuum, encompassing all spatial and temporal dimensions. We previously only knew 1 higher spatial dimension existed in the material world, but now we know there is at least 11 spatial dimensions since HDO ascended to the 10th dimension during the fight and then once again ascended dimensions to escape the battle.
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So which do we move forward with because no one else rejected 12D?
 
Okay, so after going through the verse explanation blog (which should be on the verse page because it took way to long to locate) from what I'm seeing it honestly looks a little like 12-Ds is too small. From what I understand, there are three seperate layers to everything: the material world, the spiritual world, and the astral word. It is demonstrated that these worlds exist atop one another, but that also can hold within themselves multiple sub worlds, for example, the Spiritual World has within it the Underworld which is itself a layered structure that stretches down infinitely.

It looks more like the Material World is at least a High 1-C structure and the Spirit World is a 1-A structure. If I'm missing something here, please do enlighten me because it is a bit confusing trying to figure everything out as an outsider.
 
Duedate8898 said:
Okay, so after going through the verse explanation blog (which should be on the verse page because it took way to long to locate) from what I'm seeing it honestly looks a little like 12-Ds is too small.
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Yes, 12D is too small for the total cosmology, which is why the entire cosmology is currently rated as 1-A. However, this CRT is specifically focused on the Material World, the lowest of all the realms. It won’t affect the tiering of the total cosmology, but it will influence the tiering of the Material World and the Spirit World (the 2nd realm), which scales based on the Material World.
Duedate8898 said:
From what I understand, there are three seperate layers to everything: the material world, the spiritual world, and the astral word. It is demonstrated that these worlds exist atop one another, but that also can hold within themselves multiple sub worlds, for example, the Spiritual World has within it the Underworld which is itself a layered structure that stretches down infinitely.
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Yes, the spirit world includes the underworld and several other realms, though this CRT will not focus on those aspects (they will be addressed in a future CRT). However, it does encompass the material world, which will play a key role in its upgrade for this CRT.
Duedate8898 said:
It looks more like the Material World is at least a High 1-C structure and the
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Are you suggesting it's H1-C, including its temporal dimension? In this CRT, we're arguing that the material world comprises at least 11 spatial dimensions and 1 temporal dimension (time), making it a 12D space-time (1-B) in total.
Duedate8898 said:
Spirit World is a 1-A structure. If I'm missing something here, please do enlighten me because it is a bit confusing trying to figure everything out as an outsider.
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The Astral World, as established in the previous cosmology CRT (linked in this CRT), was accepted as a 1-A structure. Previously, the Spirit World was acknowledged as being at least 5D, as it encompasses the entirety of the material world's space-time, which includes last least 1 higher spatial dimension. In this CRT, we are upgrading the material world's spatial dimensions, which will, in turn, upgrade the Spirit World as well. However, this upgrade will not impact the Astral World, thus not the total scaling of the verse.

To clarify and simplify, the focus of this CRT is solely on determining whether the Material World is 12D or not. As it stands currently in VSBW, the Spirit World is at least on par with the Material World's space-time continuum. Here's a clearer explanation of what this CRT addresses:

In the battle between the High Dimensional Overseer and the Celestial Master, which took place in the Material World, the High Dimensional Overseer ascended to the 10th spatial dimension. This implies that the Material World's tiering must be at least 11D, comprising 10 spatial dimensions plus 1 temporal dimension (time).

Subsequently, to escape the ongoing battle with the Celestial Master in the 10th higher spatial dimension, the High Dimensional Overseer ascended further to the "highest dimension" to evade the Celestial Master. This ascent indicates that the Material World should now be considered at least 12D, consisting of at least 11 spatial dimensions plus 1 temporal dimension.
 
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