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What about Shining Armor, Great and Powerful Trixie, Gloriosa Daisy and The Mean Six?Yes, agreed.
Are there any other cases of MLP characters with this problem?
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What about Shining Armor, Great and Powerful Trixie, Gloriosa Daisy and The Mean Six?Yes, agreed.
Are there any other cases of MLP characters with this problem?
Trixie should be straight up "2-A, possibly Low 1-C" since she scales to characters that are that level.What about Shining Armor, Great and Powerful Trixie, Gloriosa Daisy and The Mean Six?
Shining Armor's Profile (He should remain "2-A, possibly Low 1-C" for these reasons):At least Country level, likely Multiverse level+, possible Low Complex Multiverse level (Immensely more powerful than Twilight Sparkle, and as the highest level Unicorn, should be comparable to other high level Unicorns such as Shining Armor and Tempest Shadow, also claimed she was superior to Twilight while wearing the amulet)
Tempest Shadow's Profile:Multiverse level+, possible Low Complex Multiverse level (Base Chrysalis couldn't break his shield without greatly weakening him) | Multiverse level+, possible Low Complex Multiverse level (Was powerful enough to easily defeat Queen Chrysalis)
Multiverse level+, possibly Low Complex Multiverse level (Kicked a bomb hard enough that it broke through Princess Cadance's shield before it exploded. Fought with Daybreaker, who considers her magic to be extremely powerful), can ignore durability with Obsidian Orbs
Mean Twilight is fine given she was overpowering Chrysalis' blast with her ownPharynx and Mean Six are pretty sus ngl.
Rainbow Dash's tier is fine as it is. Since she scales to the Elements of Harmony, which overpowered Nightmare Moon.Well, please make an effort to rationally evaluate if such extreme ratings are truly reasonable for characters like Rainbow Dash and Pharynx, or based on speculation or outliers.
Attack Potency: Country level (Managed to slightly injure a fully grown Dragon, who was capable of violently shaking an entire mountain range by snoring, and even managed to resist his yells slightly. Cleared the skies from Clousdale to Rockville, and made an explosion of this size with her Sonic Rainboom as a filly, and has done so effortlessly ever since. Consistently shown to be equal to Applejack) | Multiverse level+, possibly Low Complex Multiverse level (With the Elements of Harmony) | Multiverse level+, possibly Low Complex Multiverse level (Rainbow Power is said to be the same magic as the Elements of Harmony)
The Mane Six only reach Low 1-C with Elements of Harmony and Rainbow Power, which are basically the most powerful things in the verse, so it's okay.Well, please make an effort to rationally evaluate if such extreme ratings are truly reasonable for characters like Rainbow Dash and Pharynx, or based on speculation or outliers.
Oh crap, I forgot these things .By the way, we forgot to add the "possibly Low 1-C" to the Elements of Harmony page.
Don't worry, someone already applied the changes.Oh crap, I forgot these things .
I will apply the changes later.
Oh. My apologies. I thought that base Rainbow Dash was Low 1-C for some reason.Rainbow Dash's tier is fine as it is. Since she scales to the Elements of Harmony, which overpowered Nightmare Moon.
Rainbow Dash's profile:
That should be handled, yes.By the way, we forgot to add the "possibly Low 1-C" to the Elements of Harmony page.
I think so as well.As for Pharynx, I'm really not sure he should be "2-A, possibly Low 1-C" due to lack of evidence, we can probably downgrade him to 6-B for now.
I think that would deserve its own key, since the characters are in StoryWorld, which is fictional, but they can't do the same things in real Equestria. Idk what is done in these cases.What about this "Many will think that lower level characters stay in the same tier, but no, we can add an additional key, characters like Pinkie Pie, Applejack, Rainbow Dash, Rarity, Fluttershy and the like are capable of reshaping entire universes when entering StoryWorld, which would give them a tier 3-A or possibly High 3-A. Also, the Bookworm was seen as a simple worm, however it is capable of eating and eliminating stories/realities contained in books. Some characters and spells are capable of erasing worlds in StoryWorld, a Stygian descendant was going to erase all information from all books in Equestria, which means erasing the realities of StoryWorld, this would scale from Low 2-C/2-A to Low 1-C, idk."
I'm not entirely sure how I feel about this one, just cause I don't think the Equestria Girls characters are remotely as powerful, even with their higher magic formsEquestria Girls - The Dazzlings (Powered Up and Sirens), Sunset, Rarity, Sci-Twi, Pinkie, Rainbow Dash, Fluttershy and Applejack (With certains keys) and Gloriosa Daisy for being stronger than the Mane Seven.
It probably comes from the show, but they never once battles star SwirlYeah, I don't know if this is the right thread, but I do think Equestria Girls should be reevaluated. The Dazzlings never actually FIGHT Starswirl.
In the original FIENDship comic, they enter a several week-long Magic War, but that's exclusively combating musical talent, before portaling them when he's fed up. And in the later retcon from Legends of Magic, the Pillars again don't actually fight the Dazzllings. Flash distracts the Dazzlings while the others pacify the mind controlled ponies, then Starswirl immediately BFRs them with a portal.
I'm also not sure where the notion that they're stronger outright came from, considering Starswirl completely nosold their mind control and matched the three of them in both stories
Yeaaaah. I wasn't sure about adding Tier 1 to the characters in Equestria Girls, as I said, I only did it because they were "2-A".I'm not entirely sure how I feel about this one, just cause I don't think the Equestria Girls characters are remotely as powerful, even with their higher magic forms
But I suppose this is just a "they get their power from the Element of Magic, and a fraction of infinity is still infinity" argument.
However, I think that the Dazzlings should keep "Low 1-C", their profiles and the reasons why we gave them Tier-1 or Tier-2 should be reformulated.Yeah, I don't know if this is the right thread, but I do think Equestria Girls should be reevaluated. The Dazzlings never actually FIGHT Starswirl.
In the original FIENDship comic, they enter a several week-long Magic War, but that's exclusively combating musical talent, before portaling them when he's fed up. And in the later retcon from Legends of Magic, the Pillars again don't actually fight the Dazzllings. Flash distracts the Dazzlings while the others pacify the mind controlled ponies, then Starswirl immediately BFRs them with a portal.
I'm also not sure where the notion that they're stronger outright came from, considering Starswirl completely nosold their mind control and matched the three of them in both stories
None of this is even close to Nigh-OmniscienceNigh-Omniscient in terms of knowledge and perceptions (He is stated to have knowledge that knows no bounds, and he has eyes and ears everywhere that allows him to see and hear everything across time and space. Mentally unstable. A rather clever trickster as he was able to outsmart and deceive the Mane 6)
Should we give him Above Average or Gifted intelligence combined with advanced cosmic awareness instead?
This seems like a good idea.Also, something on the profile should be explaining his Low 1-C and 2-A ratings
Working on that.Discord´s profile:
Also, something on the profile should be explaining his Low 1-C and 2-A ratings
Looks fine by meShould we give him Above Average or Gifted intelligence combined with advanced cosmic awareness instead?
Not sure to be honest, according to their profiles (I´m not really knowledgeble on MLP), they scale to the Pony World characters, so their ratings should be fine i presumeAlso, should we downgrade the Equestria Girls characters?
That's been brought up. They shouldn't scale to Starswirl cause they never actually fight and no one's really reevaluated them to put them elsewhereNot sure to be honest, according to their profiles (I´m not really knowledgeble on MLP), they scale to the Pony World characters, so their ratings should be fine i presume
Ok thenThat's been brought up. They shouldn't scale to Starswirl cause they never actually fight and no one's really reevaluated them to put them elsewhere
Agreed, all the Equestria Girls characters should be downgraded to 6-B at least until we remake their profiles. Midnight Sparkle and Daydream Shimmer should stay at 2-A, possibly Low 1-CThat's been brought up. They shouldn't scale to Starswirl cause they never actually fight and no one's really reevaluated them to put them elsewhere
Also demon SunsetAgreed, all the Equestria Girls characters should be downgraded to 6-B at least until we remake their profiles. Midnight Sparkle and Daydream Shimmer should stay at 2-A, possibly Low 1-C
Should we give him Above Average or Gifted intelligence combined with advanced cosmic awareness instead?
This seems like a good idea.
Also, should we downgrade the Equestria Girls characters?
I still have no idea why Discord can't have Extraordinary Intelligence scaling to Twilight, since he is literally stated to have have boundless knowledge. Everything Twi knows he should as well, and he's been to the future numerous times where robotic ponies are the dominant life form and likely knows advanced sciences from eons ahead of the main series. Just leaving a note that he's mentally unstable, and has a huge ego is good enough.Looks fine by me
Not sure to be honest, according to their profiles (I´m not really knowledgeble on MLP), they scale to the Pony World characters, so their ratings should be fine i presume
I didn´t know Twilight had EGI still have no idea why Discord can't have Extraordinary Intelligence scaling to Twilight, since he is literally stated to have have boundless knowledge. Everything Twi tknows he should as well, and he's been to the future numerous times and likely knows advanced sciences from eons ahead of the main series. Just leaving a note that he's mentally unstable, and a huge ego is good enough.
That´s not how it works, unless he already knows of almost everything or guards almost all information through space-time inside his mind he can´t have itBut I still also think Nigh-Omniscience is good given his cosmic awareness that he has access to at all times. The only reason he doesn't know every little thing is, again, due to his ego.
The actual feat is here. How it's stated, is that at any moment, Discord's power and control extends so far that he has the ability to see anything and everything throughout time and space at any moment whenever he wants; this is paired with the fact that the same page states his knowledge has no bounds, meaning that the knowledge of everything that has ever happened is also in his head. He just doesn't utilize this knowledge because of his ego.I didn´t know Twilight had EG
Although, did she ever directly said or agreed with these statements about Discord´s intelligence? Or does he ever showed to be comparable to her?
That´s not how it works, unless he already knows of almost everything or guards almost all information through space-time inside his mind he can´t have it
His powers allows to him to see and hear everything across space and time, implying that this ins´t something that he normally knows and that he only has access through his abilitiesThe actual feat is here. How it's stated, is that at any moment, Discord's power and control extends so far that he has the ability to see anything and everything throughout time and space at any moment whenever he wants; this is paired with the fact that the same page states his knowledge has no bounds, meaning that the knowledge of everything that has ever happened is also in his head. He just doesn't utilize this knowledge because of his ego.
Read the above discussionI don’t know if I am supposed to ask it here, but the CRT link of the change leaded to here: why is Discord nigh-omniscient? Not only there are no hyperlinks, but “no bounds” scan is literally a hyperbole, and many things in the show contradict it: Discord not knowing Fluttershy was taken, not knowing what she would truly want and that he would disappear if he acted “normal”. He is smart for sure, but nigh-omniscient is just too far to me.
My bad, I think I just agree with you on the case thenRead the above discussion
I agree with that Discord has only demonstrated Gifted intelligence with at best Average common sense, and advanced cosmic awareness, that allows him to find out information, in practice.His powers allows to him to see and hear everything across space and time, implying that this ins´t something that he normally knows and that he only has access through his abilities
Not gonna lie, "Knowledge that knows no bounds" is not even close to be a good justification for Nigh-Omniscience, it just means that he has a great amount of knowledge
If i said that a Old Man´s knowledge "knows no bounds" it wouldn´t give him any level of Intelligence, considering Discord´s case, it should give him Gifted Intelligence, but that´s about it
Also, please answer my first question
It is fine by meI agree with that Discord has only demonstrated Gifted intelligence with at best Average common sense, and advanced cosmic awareness, that allows him to find out information, in practice.
Would it be fine if we update his page accordingly?
Looks good, but i would like to add things like the image that talks about him his "knowledge having no bounds", could you unlock it?Thank you. I have updated Discord's page. Is this acceptable?
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Discord?type=revision&diff=8614302&oldid=8613606