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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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Damn, well welcome back @LephyrTheRevanchist
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Pan solos DBS
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Up until TOP yeah
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I think each Goku transformation has their own unique narrative importance outside of SSB and SSJ2.
The Oozaru is the beast and monster that needs to be contained by Martial Arts, the very essence of what itās discipline seeks to tame.
Super Saiyan is the awakening of Legend, a righteous heart fueled by fury that could only be achieved by being everything a Saiyan simply isnāt.
Super Saiyan 3 is the essence of the Otherworld made into a form, and specifically is a failure because it is meant to be a subversion of the ānew form = wins,ā trope Dragon Ball was getting into.
Super Saiyan God is, in my opinion, a perfect transformation. Narratively speaking, Goku is ascending not towards the Gods not because of his āunga bunga strengthā or ābig mad,ā but because of his GOOD DEEDS. This theme is very prominent in Dragon Ball and is acknowledged twiceāOnce at the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai and yet again at the Tournament of Power. The opportunity to turn into a Super Saiyan God came not from strength, but from Gokuās ability to see kindness in others and grant them the ability to improve themselves as people, which they then do good on. Itās those people who then give him the power of a God.
Super Saiyan Blue has none of this. It is a form to be a form. The Manga admittedly writes the form far better, but even in said Manga thereās no narrative weight behind it. Itās really just the circumstances they can use the form, efficiency, etc.
However, things AROUND Super Saiyan Blue do have these narrative through lines.
Goku only gets the Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken by tapping into the power given to him by a friendāWhich he specifically met from his own good will, as that is what got him the opportunity to train in Otherworld with his physical body.
Vegeta gets Super Saiyan Blue Evolution from his tapping into the good will (promises/dreams) of Saiyans from another Universe. His Student, who he lost. Itās made explicitly clear that, narratively, this form is the reward for not only having changed, but seeking to grant that change to other Saiyans. You can even add in his insecurity over the Saiyan race into this, as Zamasu steals the embodiment of the changes Saiyan (Goku) and perverts itāHell, he becomes a better āSaiyanā than Goku or Vegeta were with it, and you can reason this shook his beliefs. Which in itself can be supported with the Bulma sceneāVegeta realizing that not even his wife views him as a solution to the problems, and instead relies on Goku.
In the Manga, thereās the additional Perfected Super Saiyan Blue, which is narratively supposed to be the apex of what the form isāA release of the constraints of the transformation and fully embracing Godhood, or really what it MEANS to be a God. Hence why the form debuts against a Fallen God, and why 90% of the imagery Goku and Zamasu have in relation to each other is the enlightened and unenlightened respectively.
Ultra Instinct really is just more enlightenment stuff. If anything, while narratively it is earned, correctly built up to, etc. it is just what SSG was MEANT to be before they rushed into a new form in RoF.
The Oozaru is the beast and monster that needs to be contained by Martial Arts, the very essence of what itās discipline seeks to tame.
Super Saiyan is the awakening of Legend, a righteous heart fueled by fury that could only be achieved by being everything a Saiyan simply isnāt.
Super Saiyan 3 is the essence of the Otherworld made into a form, and specifically is a failure because it is meant to be a subversion of the ānew form = wins,ā trope Dragon Ball was getting into.
Super Saiyan God is, in my opinion, a perfect transformation. Narratively speaking, Goku is ascending not towards the Gods not because of his āunga bunga strengthā or ābig mad,ā but because of his GOOD DEEDS. This theme is very prominent in Dragon Ball and is acknowledged twiceāOnce at the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai and yet again at the Tournament of Power. The opportunity to turn into a Super Saiyan God came not from strength, but from Gokuās ability to see kindness in others and grant them the ability to improve themselves as people, which they then do good on. Itās those people who then give him the power of a God.
Super Saiyan Blue has none of this. It is a form to be a form. The Manga admittedly writes the form far better, but even in said Manga thereās no narrative weight behind it. Itās really just the circumstances they can use the form, efficiency, etc.
However, things AROUND Super Saiyan Blue do have these narrative through lines.
Goku only gets the Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken by tapping into the power given to him by a friendāWhich he specifically met from his own good will, as that is what got him the opportunity to train in Otherworld with his physical body.
Vegeta gets Super Saiyan Blue Evolution from his tapping into the good will (promises/dreams) of Saiyans from another Universe. His Student, who he lost. Itās made explicitly clear that, narratively, this form is the reward for not only having changed, but seeking to grant that change to other Saiyans. You can even add in his insecurity over the Saiyan race into this, as Zamasu steals the embodiment of the changes Saiyan (Goku) and perverts itāHell, he becomes a better āSaiyanā than Goku or Vegeta were with it, and you can reason this shook his beliefs. Which in itself can be supported with the Bulma sceneāVegeta realizing that not even his wife views him as a solution to the problems, and instead relies on Goku.
In the Manga, thereās the additional Perfected Super Saiyan Blue, which is narratively supposed to be the apex of what the form isāA release of the constraints of the transformation and fully embracing Godhood, or really what it MEANS to be a God. Hence why the form debuts against a Fallen God, and why 90% of the imagery Goku and Zamasu have in relation to each other is the enlightened and unenlightened respectively.
Ultra Instinct really is just more enlightenment stuff. If anything, while narratively it is earned, correctly built up to, etc. it is just what SSG was MEANT to be before they rushed into a new form in RoF.
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Omega, why did you create the worst DB meta of all time?
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Killerdrone123
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man idek, i might the new god of destruction, erasing the DB metas to oblivion, makes the entire db world BURN IN MY WAKE
Fezzih_007
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Killerdrone123
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Fezzih_007
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Killerdrone123
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Killerdrone123
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From downscaling to gotenks and super buu
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Infinite universe toei being rejected makes no sense, and infinite speed. Actually, how many threads are open rn? Thinking about sum
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This should be fixed imo, Dragonball, especially toei, does not treat multipliers this way, toei literally had super buu open a man sized hole as opposed to what buuhan did
Imo, it should be similar to the way people are scaled with his initial vice shout, anyone on buuhan and up gets 2c but that's just me
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Toei infinite speed starts now and the Universe
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I don't mean this in a mean spirited way, but I feel like the mods (and or vsbw in genernal) try to standardize some verses so then they meet the normal perception of how people normally view them. Not to say the ratings are bad cause it's "the norm" but that anything outside of that makes it difficult to get accepted
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I have to agree with this, this is happening a lot, i don't like these things happening.
Spinoirr
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Yeah like I see a lot of downplay for some verses that they dislike
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Now we get banned for complaining
Nullflowerblush
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uh-oh, the election was rigged!!!
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Joe Biden =P
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biden blast vs goku
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No one has ever gotten banned for complaining about how a verse has been treated IIRC.Now we get banned for complaining
Nullflowerblush
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Honestly, if you feel you could get banned from the forums for "complaining", maybe it's time you convert some of that energy into productivity and make a coupla CRTs.
Fussing about your Ghost Fixers calculations never being evaluated is completely justified, though.
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We should start now. No one is safe
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There can always be a first for everything
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Let's start with you thenWe should start now. No one is safe
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Yes let's go with the staff members that doesn't have evaluation rightsLet's start with you then
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Nah I'd winLet's start with you then
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Hyperbole
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Outlier
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No Evaluation Right =P
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