Hunter x Hunter Overhaul (Scaling)

GodlyCharmander said:

The timeframe is not unknown. It started a panel before the 0.96s timer, and it ended 3 entire panels BEFORE it got to 0.96s

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GodlyCharmander said:

The timeframe is not unknown. It started a panel before the 0.96s timer, and it ended 3 entire panels BEFORE it got to 0.96s

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GodlyCharmander said:

0.96s is a perfectly plausible timeframe because of this factor, it acts as a low end to take these differences into account.

Getting the timeframe from a non-canon addition to the countdown is just downplaying the feat.

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Hk1488 said:

Panels are not in scale. We have one panel that is literally 4 whole seconds and like a whole chapter in 0.96 second invalid point.

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Hk1488 said:

Manga doesn't contradict it so it's safe to use

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GodlyCharmander said:

You cannot prove it moved any considerable distance, as well as you cannot prove this panel in particular was an anomaly to the following ones.

The 3.2km distance was crossed during the timeframe either way, and the calculation is already accepted, so I will refrain from replying to this circular argumentation any further

One doesn't equal to the other. Lack of contradictions are not excuses to add Anime-Exclusive additions to the main canon. It's an adaptation first and foremost. We are not using anything that's not present in the manga, and that's final, unless you get a major portion of the staffs to support it.

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Theendzero13 said:

God tiers:
Those are proxies until we find better feats for them

Meruem: 100 killotons, far above pitou and youpi, can overpower them with casual attacks, only took small damage from zero hand

Youpi: 87,45 killotons, over 10 times the 137,5 tons characters, has a feat on this level, higher with transformations

Pitou (base): 87,45 killotons stated to be the king top soldier by illumi and to have strenght second only to the king in side material,making it above youpi

Adult gon: 100 killotons, easely defeated and overpowered base pitou with a nenless kick, pitou was afraid he would go after the king, his binding vow has several similarities to netero's zero hand binding vow and likely has similar power , 1 megaton with rock

Netero(invasion/regained groove/ post training): 275 tons (should be stronger than uvo due to being an enhancer and having 5/5 databook stats) 55 killotons with bodhisattva (could not damage pitou and meruem , but still crashed and repelled them back, 100 killotons with zero hand

(Puppet) pitou: 100 killotons far stronger than before, took many attacks from adult gon before being killed

High tiers:
- uvogin: 275 tons, performed a 55 tons feat while at 20% , chrollo though it was impossible to defeat him with raw power and is physically the strongest of the troupe, 2,75 killotons with big bang impact

-kurapika (with emperor time) : 137,5 tons matched uvo who was using 50% of his power, 1,375 killotons with ko

-chrollo: 137,5 tons hisoka is more interested in fighting him than fighting any other troupe member or kurapika , called the strongest member of the troupe in side material, has 4 and 4 stats for nen and body in the databooks while kurapika has 3 and 4

- hisoka: 137,5 tons physically stronger than chrollo

-zeno: 137,5 tons matched chrollo

- silva: 137,5 tons matched chrollo, one-shotted the squadron leader cheetu

- razor: 137,5 tons stronger than hisoka physically

-base Kurapika: 91,67 tons around 60% of emperor time kurapika , 916,7 tons with ko

-Pouf: 137,5 tons the weakest royal guard, could not one-shot members of the invasion team like his collegues, homever as a royal and having
5/5 nen and body stats in the databooks he should be above the likes of hisoka and chrollo who only have 4/4 stats, stronger than morel,knov and pre-invasion netero

-Kite: 137,5 tons even with one arm gave small bruises to a newborn pitou who is called the strongest opponent gon and killua ever fought putting it(pitou) above razor,hisoka and chrollo, gave trouble to knuckle and shoot combined even as a reanimated corpse

CA Killua: 137,5 tons took little to no damage from ikalgo's bullets who can do heavy damage to royal guard trained squadron leaders like welfin who should be comparable to base zarzam, easely took down multiple jets and tanks while fatigued, brovada another squadron leader needed multiple attacks and strugled to take one tank down, one shotted rammot an officer ant, defeated leol's squad composed of 4+ officers and multiple peons without using his yo-yos and only briefily using his nen ability , despite the squad using strategy to gain an edge, has 4/4 databook stats, 1,375 killotons with ko

CA Gon : 137,5 tons comparable to killua, defeated 3 chimera officers despite getting multiple hits from them he did not suffer any serious damage at all and retaliated with one-shots, 1,375 killotons with rock

Morel: 137,5 tons comparable to killua, can beat squadron leaders without much trouble

Shoot: 137,5 tons comparable to killua

Knucke: 137,5 tons comparable to killua

Knov: 137,5 tons comparable to morel

Illumi: 137,5 tons comparable to hisoka and likely above killua

Phinks: 137,5 tons a little above feitan and comparable to hisoka, up to 1,375 killotons with ripper cycloton( thought he could beat zarzam )

Feitan: 137,5 tons pain packer ignores durability via heat, 1,375 killotons with ko

Zazam (base) : 137,5 tons matched feitan

Transformed zazam: 137,5, tons with at least 1,375 killotons in durability, tanked feitan ko attack but could not seriously harm him with multiple attacks

Machi: 137,5 tons comparable to nobunaga though that she could kill hisoka

Nobunaga: 137,5 tons comparable to machi, possibly stronger than phinks as killua was more scared of him than phinks and nobunaga though he could take phinks down

Franklin: 137,5 tons comparable to nobunaga, though he could kill hisoka

Shizuku: 0026 tons lost an arm wrestle to yorknew gon homever she was not using her dominant arm 137,5 tons with blink, conjurers can put can put more aura on their weapons than in their bodies one-shoted full power nobunaga with a surprise attack

Bonolenov : 137,5 tons comparable to nobunaga, 1,375 killotons with jupiter(though he could kill zarzam)

Netero( rusty, pre-invasion ) : 137,5 tons around half as strong as his prime, comparable to know and morel, and weaker than pouf

Mid tiers:

GI Gon: 13,75 tons his rock matched razor's full power, 137,5 tons with rock

GI: killua: 13,75 tons comparable to gon, 137,5 tons with ko

Rammot: 13,75 tons stronger than greedy island gon and killua

Genthru: 13,75 tons stronger than GI Gon, 27,5 tons with little flower ( the explosion uses twice as much aura as a punch ) ,
275 tons with countdown( 10 times stronger than little flower )


Low tiers:

Yorknew gon: 0,026 tons performed a feat on this level very early in greed island before getting any physical training

Yorknew killua: 0,026 tons comparable to gon

Pakunoda: 0,026 tons got damaged by yorknew gon and killua but still stronger than then

Kortopi: unknown, lacks physical feats

Shalnark: 0,026 tons comparable to pakunoda, was unsure on his ability to damage a peon chimera ant, far higher with autopilot one-shotted a peon chimera ant

Kalluto: 0,026 tons weaker than shalnark , but should be comparable to yorknew killua

Fodder/nenless tier:
All of the following scale above the the 174,9 killojoules three spliting feat performed by a random hunter candidate

BOS: Killua,kurapika,leorio,gon

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GodlyCharmander said:

You cannot prove it moved any considerable distance, as well as you cannot prove this panel in particular was an anomaly to the following ones.

The 3.2km distance was crossed during the timeframe either way, and the calculation is already accepted, so I will refrain from replying to this circular argumentation any further

One doesn't equal to the other. Lack of contradictions are not excuses to add Anime-Exclusive additions to the main canon. It's an adaptation first and foremost. We are not using anything that's not present in the manga, and that's final, unless you get a major portion of the staffs to support it.

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GodlyCharmander said:

• Unevaluated

I just did a blog with Low Tier feats.
Netero part 2
Gon blitzes a random guy (Updated)

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GodlyCharmander said:

Hisoka races an explosion

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Hk1488 said:

Also where was this accepted. I don't see it in the comments neither is it on anyone's profile

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GodlyCharmander said:

Armor accepted after we discussed in the comment.

"As for the first Netero feat, it's fine"

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Hk1488 said:

Is ome person enough to get it accepted already. Again still flawed and since it's not use on any profile anyway we might evaluate again and then add

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GodlyCharmander said:

You're desperate. It's not used because there was no CRT for it until now. And we're obviously not done here. Keep your opinions to yourself, we already discussed this, so let the supporters and staff decide which one is correct.

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Hk1488 said:

I am ok with letting the staff decide. I just pointed out the flaws in three of those. Anyway does anyone else have any speed feats to bring up or that we would need to get evaluated

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GodlyCharmander said:

Can we call a CGM to evaluate this? The Netero Part 2 feat scales directly to Meruem, and the low tier feats gives an actual value for lower tiers.

Would anyone be willing to put this in a blog?

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Hk1488 said:

Ok. Any other speed feats that weren't brought up yet

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GodlyCharmander said:

Uvogin bullet feat. Not only does it not use the correct trajectory, but it also uses a fairly old gun even by 1990s standards.

I also have a calculation for Kurapika stopping bullets with his chain. I will bring it up shortly.

Here is the Second Netero feat.
Here is Pre Training Gon's feat.

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Hk1488 said:

I am pretty ok with the uvogin bullet feat. I am really sceptical about the pre training gon feat and a bit confused about the timeframe in the netero feat. It's hundreds of thousands blows in under a minute so why 240 seconds?

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Hk1488 said:

timeframe in the netero feat. It's hundreds of thousands blows in under a minute so why 240 seconds?

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1. Battle starts and RG flies to the location.
2. in an unknown timeframe, hundreds of thousands of blows are traded
3. A minute passes after this
4. Rose Bomb explodes
5. RGs get there after 15 minutes.

GodlyCharmander said:

The timeline goes as the following:

1. Battle starts and RG flies to the location.
2. in an unknown timeframe, hundreds of thousands of blows are traded
3. A minute passes after this
4. Rose Bomb explodes
5. RGs get there after 15 minutes.

Then we shave off the time by using what happens between 2 and 5.

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Hk1488 said:

Yeah I think the scaling used there is a bit weird. They will upscale via the first calc anyway. For example implying it took them 15 minutes. He was talking about meruem a person he knows is much stronger than him. Also the time for forming a mushroom cloud can take less than those 10 minutes. So I guess we just use the first feat to determine their speed

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Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:

Hi there,

I've been out of HxH CRTs for a while

Mind telling me what this thread it doing?

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Theendzero13 said:

I will be using databook stats as supporting evidence since those have little to no contradictions


God tiers:

Post rose meruem: 546,33 megatons

Meruem: 100 killotons, far above pitou and youpi, can overpower them with casual attacks, only took small damage from zero hand

Youpi: 87,45 killotons, over 10 times the 137,5 tons characters, has a feat on this level, higher with transformations

Pitou (base): 87,45 killotons stated to be the king top soldier by illumi and to have strenght second only to the king in side material,making it above youpi

Adult gon: 100 killotons, easely defeated and overpowered base pitou with a nenless kick, pitou was afraid he would go after the king, his binding vow has several similarities to netero's zero hand binding vow and likely has similar power , 1 megaton with rock

Netero(invasion/regained groove/ post training): 275 tons (should be stronger than uvo due to being an enhancer and having 5/5 databook stats) 55 killotons with bodhisattva (could not damage pitou and meruem , but still crashed and repelled them back, 100 killotons with zero hand

(Puppet) pitou: 100 killotons far stronger than before, took many attacks from adult gon before being killed

High tiers:
- uvogin: 275 tons, performed a 55 tons feat while at 20% , chrollo though it was impossible to defeat him with raw power and is physically the strongest of the troupe, 2,75 killotons with big bang impact

-kurapika (with emperor time) : 137,5 tons matched uvo who was using 50% of his power, 1,375 killotons with ko

-chrollo: 137,5 tons hisoka is more interested in fighting him than fighting any other troupe member or kurapika , called the strongest member of the troupe in side material, has 4 and 4 stats for nen and body in the databooks while kurapika has 3 and 4

- hisoka: 137,5 tons physically stronger than chrollo

-zeno: 137,5 tons matched chrollo

- silva: 137,5 tons matched chrollo, one-shotted the squadron leader cheetu

- razor: 137,5 tons stronger than hisoka physically

-base Kurapika: 91,67 tons around 60% of emperor time kurapika , 916,7 tons with ko

-Pouf: 137,5 tons the weakest royal guard, could not one-shot members of the invasion team like his collegues, homever as a royal and having
5/5 nen and body stats in the databooks he should be above the likes of hisoka and chrollo who only have 4/4 stats, stronger than morel,knov and pre-invasion netero

-Kite: 137,5 tons even with one arm gave small bruises to a newborn pitou who is called the strongest opponent gon and killua ever fought putting it(pitou) above razor,hisoka and chrollo, gave trouble to knuckle and shoot combined even as a reanimated corpse

CA Killua: 137,5 tons took little to no damage from ikalgo's bullets who can do heavy damage to royal guard trained squadron leaders like welfin who should be comparable to base zarzam, easely took down multiple jets and tanks while fatigued, brovada another squadron leader needed multiple attacks and strugled to take one tank down, one shotted rammot an officer ant, defeated leol's squad composed of 4+ officers and multiple peons without using his yo-yos and only briefily using his nen ability , despite the squad using strategy to gain an edge, has 4/4 databook stats, 1,375 killotons with ko

CA Gon : 137,5 tons comparable to killua, defeated 3 chimera officers despite getting multiple hits from them he did not suffer any serious damage at all and retaliated with one-shots, 1,375 killotons with rock

Morel: 137,5 tons comparable to killua, can beat squadron leaders without much trouble

Shoot: 137,5 tons comparable to killua

Knucke: 137,5 tons comparable to killua

Knov: 137,5 tons comparable to morel

Illumi: 137,5 tons comparable to hisoka and likely above killua

Phinks: 137,5 tons a little above feitan and comparable to hisoka, up to 1,375 killotons with ripper cycloton( thought he could beat zarzam )

Feitan: 137,5 tons pain packer ignores durability via heat, 1,375 killotons with ko

Zazam (base) : 137,5 tons matched feitan

Transformed zazam: 137,5, tons with at least 1,375 killotons in durability, tanked feitan ko attack but could not seriously harm him with multiple attacks

Machi: 137,5 tons comparable to nobunaga though that she could kill hisoka

Nobunaga: 137,5 tons comparable to machi, possibly stronger than phinks as killua was more scared of him than phinks and nobunaga though he could take phinks down

Franklin: 137,5 tons comparable to nobunaga, though he could kill hisoka

Shizuku: 0026 tons lost an arm wrestle to yorknew gon homever she was not using her dominant arm 137,5 tons with blink, conjurers can put can put more aura on their weapons than in their bodies one-shoted full power nobunaga with a surprise attack

Bonolenov : 137,5 tons comparable to nobunaga, 1,375 killotons with jupiter(though he could kill zarzam)

Netero( rusty, pre-invasion ) : 137,5 tons around half as strong as his prime, comparable to know and morel, and weaker than pouf

Mid tiers:

GI Gon: 13,75 tons his rock matched razor's full power, 137,5 tons with rock

GI: killua: 13,75 tons comparable to gon, 137,5 tons with ko

Rammot: 13,75 tons stronger than greedy island gon and killua

Genthru: 13,75 tons stronger than GI Gon, 27,5 tons with little flower ( the explosion uses twice as much aura as a punch ) ,
275 tons with countdown( 10 times stronger than little flower )


Low tiers:

Yorknew gon: 0,026 tons performed a feat on this level very early in greed island before getting any physical training

Yorknew killua: 0,026 tons comparable to gon

Pakunoda: 0,026 tons got damaged by yorknew gon and killua but still stronger than then

Kortopi: unknown, lacks physical feats

Shalnark: 0,026 tons comparable to pakunoda, was unsure on his ability to damage a peon chimera ant, far higher with autopilot one-shotted a peon chimera ant

Kalluto: 0,026 tons weaker than shalnark , but should be comparable to yorknew killua

Fodder/nenless tier:
All of the following scale above the the 174,9 killojoules three spliting feat performed by a random hunter candidate

BOS: Killua,kurapika,leorio,gon

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GodlyCharmander said:

• God Tiers

The fastest characters after Post-Rose Meruem are Massively Hypersonic (Mach 459) by Netero blitzing Pitou.

Who scales: Netero, Neferpitou's Reaction Speed, Pre Rose Meruem (he blitzed Neferpitou with his tail), Adult Gon


The slower MHS characters are Mach 105.8 by scaling above a newborn and casual Neferpitou who could jump over 2.9km in 0.08s

Who scales: Pouf, Youpi, Godspeed Killua, Neferpitou, possibly Kaito.

• Top Tiers

The fastest High Hypersonic characters are Mach 42 by scaling above Pre Needleless CA Killua who could move at the same time as his lightning.

Who scales: Cheetu, Morel, Knuckle, CA Gon, CA Killua, Chimera Commanders, Rammot, Base Netero, Kaito, the top tiers from the Troupe.

Slower High Hypersonic characters downscale from Pre Needleless CA Killua (Mach 25)

• Mid Tiers

Honestly, most mid tier feats are unevaluated, or not calculated at all, but they range from Supersonic+ to Hypersonic+. I'd also like to discuss Uvogin's feat too.

• Low Tiers

Strongest Nenless Characters are Subsonic as Gon is able to create afterimages.


Unevaluated
I just did a blog with Low Tier feats.
Netero part 2
Gon blitzes a random guy (Updated)
Hisoka races an explosion



I suggest we work our way up to the god tiers, so we can judge if the higher results are plausible or not.

We're starting with nenless characters. I'm sorry I can't do much now, I am kinda busy. I will be calculating Kurapika's bullet feat.

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GodlyCharmander said:

Nen-Less Gon is Wall Level by destroying a stone pillar with a punch

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GodlyCharmander said:

Unevaluated
I just did a blog with Low Tier feats.

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GodlyCharmander said:

Here is the Second Netero feat.
Here is Pre Training Gon's feat.

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Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:

Bruises, I thought it was scratch?

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GodlyCharmander said:

Youpi only has himself as a frame of reference and does not have nearly the intellect necessary to make an accurate assumption for Meruem. The yield of the bomb determines the time for the mushroom cloud, Hiroshima's Bomb took 10 minutes, Rose Bomb is far stronger.

Again, your points are nitpicking, and seem to be from a place of ignorance or bias.

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Hk1488 said:

1. What are you basing this on? This is your own headcanon that he can't make a fitting assumption for meruem

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Hk1488 said:

2. Source?

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GodlyCharmander said:

Assumption would be a positive claim that Youpi calculated this number out of his ass. He only has himself as the timeframe, that's the irrefutable fact. He never went to that place before.
In fact, in the original japanese, he says
"急げば15分程で着きましょう" or "hurry up, and we will get there in about 15 minutes", he never specified the King at all, he just told him to hurry up.

EDIT: Also, "急げば" doesn't address anyone specifically, it can mean "we hurry", aka, plural. And since Youpi said used the Kanji for an inclusive collective "ましょう" (Let us [...]), 急げば definitively means "If we hurry" here,

The more gas, fuel, and air needed to form it, the more time it will take... Source was in the calc too. Here's another.

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Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:

@Hk1488 I see new HxH calcs were posted, mind if I can ask why is the anime being used and not the manga?

And, also why not try calcing this feat:

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Hk1488 said:

1.Again he is talking explicitly about the timeframe meruem needs even if he said if WE hurry. I am sure he knows how to judge one's power correctly. And I am sure they aren't 1/3 of his speed or even close to that.
2. The source you provided doesn't give me the timeframe. When I Google it said 10 seconds to 10 minutes. Even then they would still upscale from the first feat

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Antvasima said:

@Jasonsith @Therefir @DMUA @DemonGodMitchAubin

Would any of you be willing to evaluate the following calculations and then tell us here please?

Hunter x Hunter: Low Tier Speed

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Hunter x Hunter: Netero Attacks Meruem

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Hunter x Hunter: Gon blitzes a Hunter

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An Ungodly Amount of HxH Speed feats

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An Ungodly Amount of HxH Speed feats

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GodlyCharmander said:

At this point, you're just ignoring the line. Youpi said we, therefore It includes him, which is the only reference he has. End of story.


The source I gave you explains that the more yield, the longer it takes. The source in the calc itself gives the timeframe of the Hiroshima Bomb. Rose Bomb scales above it.

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Hk1488 said:

1. Again he can literally judge meruems skill. If even knuckle can than why him. Second they literally saw him fly the moment prior. He does have a reference of speed. Since we know meruem>>>this would only support the timeframe being higher. The feat is worthless anyway
2. Again Google said 10 seconds to 10 minutes. With such inconsistent times I don't think it's safe to use

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GodlyCharmander said:

Oh, please remove the last two links. They refer to old versions of the second, and third calculations. I remade them separately with more accurate pixelscaling!

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Hk1488 said:

Also mushroom clouds last longer anyway. So what's the point

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GodlyCharmander said:

Meruem will scale to this value, as he had to leap as much as Netero had to attack.

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