Gunvolt AP revision

Basically, there are some buffing abilities that should be addressed.

Septimal Surge/Shield
Using Septimal Surge, Gunvolt can multiply his damage output by 2. He can do this to his defenses as well with Septimal Shield. This puts Gunvolt's AP and Durability respectively at 6.23110701 Megatons of TNT. Since Gunvolt greatly upscales from the base feat, this puts him at little above baseline City level with these buffs.

This pretty much just applies to Gunvolt himself, of course, since it's his buffing abilities.

Anthem
Anthem is Joule's ability to buff septima. Considering how hyped up she is (Just a few adepts buffed with her Septima are considered capable of subjugating humanity), she should obviously be well above Gunvolt's ability to buff himself. Just one shard of Joule's power (Specifically 1/9th) is considered a far more impressive buff than Gunvolt's ability to buff himself. Multiply this 2x buff by 9, and this could be, at least, an 18x multiplier with a full anthem active. This puts characters who scale to a full anthem at 56.0799631 Megatons of TNT, or City level+. People with an incomplete Anthem would be at about the same level as Septimal Surge/Shield.

Gunvolt with a Full Anthem (From either Joule or Mytyl), Gunvolt's Self-Anthem, Reverie Zonda, Copen with Mytyl's Anthem, Copen with Anthem or Darkness Trigger in LAiX, Blade with Berserk Trigger, Asimov, Demerzel and possibly Copen in LAiX's late game scale to this.

I say Copen from LAiX's endgame could scale since Copen is able to fight against Berserk Trigger Blade and Demerzel despite Anthem and Darkness Trigger being canonically unavailable (Even if they can be used in gameplay).

AP nerf for the Sumeragi Swordsmen
Since a single shard should provide a 2x multiplier in terms of power, that means the Sumeragi Seven would be at 1.55777675 Megatons of TNT, or Small City level. This would also apply to Nova's base form. Considering Gunvolt shows multiple times that he dosn't know how strong he actually is in Gunvolt 1 (Such as believing he'd be killed by falling off a train even when his allies said otherwise), Gunvolt likely stays at the same level of power.

Nova
Nova's slightly confusing here, so I gave him his own section. His Septima is outright considered to be as strong as Gunvolt's, so with his Glaives he'd scale to GV. While you could argue Nova should be at least 3x stronger than your average Sumeragi adept since he has 3 Glaives, we don't know if his Sub-Glaives can hold the same amount of his Septima as his main Gliave. The amount Joule buffs him in his first phase also lets him fight on par with Gunvolt, meaning with Joule absorbed and in his giant form he should be at City level, same as Gunvolt with Septimal Surge (Gunvolt considers Nova to be an outright monster, so this is pretty consistent).

Offensive Skills
Basically, since Astrasphere takes the same amount of SP to use as Septimal Surge, it should be comparable or superior to Gunvolt when he's buffed with Septimal Surge. While I could try and figure out exact numbers based on SP spent, I think vaguely higher than the 2x multiplier is best (Espesially since it would impossible to figure out if it would be combined up additively or multiplicatively). This would also apply to skills used by bosses, since they should be comparably high in power compared to their base, with the exceptions of skills that aren't meant to deal direct damage (Like Elise's resurrection or Zonda's Paradise Lost)

Buff Stacking
Basically, it's a thing. Gunvolt even canonically uses it in his boss fight. The following only apply to Gunvolt since he's really the only one in the series that has this many levels to worry about. Also, Gunvolt upscales from all of these.

Any 2 out of Anthem (Weakened), Septimal Surge and an Offensive Skill: 4x multiplier, 12.462214 Megatons of TNT, City level (Also applies to offensive skills while using just Anthem or Septimal Surge)

Anthem (Weakened) + Septimal Surge + Offensive Skill: 8x multiplier, 24.924428 Megatons of TNT, City level

Anthem (Full Power) + Septimal Surge/Offensive Skill: 36x multiplier, 112.159926 Megatons of TNT, Mountain level

Anthem (Full Power) + Septimal Surge/Shield + Offensive Skill: 72x multiplier, 224.319852 Megatons of TNT, Mountain level

Who gets what
Now I just say who gets what ratings.

1.55777675 Megatons of TNT: Gibril and Teseo without Grimoires, Sumeragi Swordsmen, Base form Nova, Gunvolt 1 Copen, Fake Zonda

3.1155535 Megatons of TNT: Gunvolt, Nova with Joule's power, The Seven with Grimoires, Zonda, Gunvolt 2/early-to-mid LAiX Copen, Blade, The Falcons, most offensive skills in Gunvolt 1

6.23110701 Megatons of TNT: Gunvolt with Septimal Surge/Shield/Weakened Anthem, Copen with Weakened Anthem, most offensive skills in Gunvolt 2/LAiX (As well as base GV's in general), Final Form Nova

12.462214 Megatons of TNT: Nova's Clamator Aethereus, Any 2 out of Septimal Surge/Shield + Weakened Anthem (as well as an Offensive Skill during either individually) for GV, Weakened Anthem + Offensive Skill for Copen

24.924428 Megatons of TNT: Gunvolt using a Weakened Anthem, Septimal Surge and Offensive Skill all at once.

56.0799631 Megatons of TNT: Full Powered Anthem for Gunvolt or Copen (Plus GV's Self-Anthem), Darkness Trigger Copen, Reverie Zonda, Asimov, Berserk Trigger Blade, Deremzel

112.159926 Megatons of TNT: Full Powered (Self) Anthem + Skill for Gunvolt or Copen, as well as Full Powered Anthem + Septimal Surge/Shield for Gunvolt, Eden's Presence for Zonda, Blade's Thunderandal, Asimov and Demerzel's skills

224.319852 Megatons of TNT: Anthem (Full Power) + Septimal Surge/Shield + Offensive Skills for Gunvolt

Okay, so for the majority of this I agree with, however, this is VSB so they may dismiss this entire thing as “theory crafting” even though it makes complete sense. Anyways, I’m gonna address some nitpicks

The_Smashor said:

Offensive Skills
Basically, since Astrasphere takes the same amount of SP to use as Septimal Surge, it should be comparable or superior to Gunvolt when he's buffed with Septimal Surge. While I could try and figure out exact numbers based on SP spent, I think vaguely higher than the 2x multiplier is best (Espesially since it would impossible to figure out if it would be combined up additively or multiplicatively). This would also apply to skills used by bosses, since they should be comparably high in power compared to their base, with the exceptions of skills that aren't meant to deal direct damage (Like Elise's resurrection or Zonda's Paradise Lost)

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This one is a yikes, on paper it makes sense- but SP is simply a game mechanic, each one doesn’t exactly mean anything in terms of how much power it takes out of GV. For example, Split Second costs 1 SP, but GV in his own Boss Fight can use it as many times as he wants. I tested that myself. It’s clear that it doesn’t take much to use it given he does it for something as trivial as getting his Flashfield hits in when Overheated and Copen was Tagged- when he could have easily just waited- thus he spams it. Using SP consumption isn’t exactly a good way to compare power.

The_Smashor said:

Nova
Nova's slightly confusing here, so I gave him his own section. His Septima is outright considered to be as strong as Gunvolt's, so with his Glaives he'd scale to GV. While you could argue Nova should be at least 3x stronger than your average Sumeragi adept since he has 3 Glaives, we don't know if his Sub-Glaives can hold the same amount of his Septima as his main Gliave. The amount Joule buffs him in his first phase also lets him fight on par with Gunvolt, meaning with Joule absorbed and in his giant form he should be at City level, same as Gunvolt with Septimal Surge (Gunvolt considers Nova to be an outright monster, so this is pretty consistent).

12.462214 Megatons of TNT: Nova's Clamator Aethereus, Any 2 out of Septimal Surge/Shield + Weakened Anthem (as well as an Offensive Skill during either individually) for GV, Weakened Anthem + Offensive Skill for Copen

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Nova is likely even stronger- Psychokinesis is stated to be the strongest Septima battlewise- and Clamator Aethereus is a one shot that insta-kills even an Anthem GV

Smashtwig said:

This one is a yikes, on paper it makes sense- but SP is simply a game mechanic, each one doesn’t exactly mean anything in terms of how much power it takes out of GV. For example, Split Second costs 1 SP, but GV in his own Boss Fight can use it as many times as he wants. I tested that myself. It’s clear that it doesn’t take much to use it given he does it for something as trivial as getting his Flashfield hits in when Overheated and Copen was Tagged- when he could have easily just waited- thus he spams it. Using SP consumption isn’t exactly a good way to compare power.

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Eh, fair enough. Certainly makes the profiles less of a mess.

Smashtwig said:

Nova is likely even stronger- Psychokinesis is stated to be the strongest Septima battlewise- and Clamator Aethereus is a one shot that insta-kills even an Anthem GV

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Gunvolt using Anthem in that fight is likely non-canon, given Joule was being controlled by Nova at the time (Yeah it's implied she was resisting it somewhat, but probably not to the extent that she could use Anthem unrestricted)

And while Nova most certainly is likely even stronger, it's impossible to know the exact extent of this.

Also this is a page


I’ve never seen the actual anthem buff do extra damage yet but I can see if I can try to make it happen

Anthem in Gameplay is clearly extremely different from how it's supposed to be in canon.

While I agree with this entire pitch it’s just that it’s VSB

Oh, stop being such a doomer.

Most of these fall under small, reasonable multipliers.

Also that page seems hella outdated considering we literally do use SSJ multipliers on the wiki.

Alright, I’ll call SomebodyData

Also SleepyLegend finally got permission to be in the forum, but he prefers Ness now so yuh

Well the source of the multipliers matter, it's possible we use it. Like if it's directly stated by the characters or repeated, we're usually okay with it. We don't do game mechanics or more speculatory stuff, like dividing the power of Super Sonic by the 7 emeralds to get one emerald for example.

We don't use the SSJ multipliers tho.

Been a while since I've touched anything ASG related, but I got a summary of the lore a while ago. I agree with the OP.

SomebodyData said:

We don't use the SSJ multipliers tho.

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We literally do. At least for speed.

Not to mention, the multipliers are relatively small (Septimal Surge is 2x), and very little if anything contradicts them, so I think they'd qualify.

Ah, I think I know what you're talking about, the kaio-ken multipliers, right? As long as it's consistent / directly stated like I mentioned above it should be accepted.

You know, I do that thing where I edit my comment with extra info in order to not fill the thread and sometimes and it bites me in the ass

Same lol

Well, since it's consistent it should be fine. I'm not entirely sure about the Anthem scaling part, but it does all seem to be logical.

Also, not saying I disagree with it, but where did the 8x multiplier come from?

EDIT: Never mind, I used more than one braincell and re-read.

ebic then we good, aside from my nitpicks on the SP point stuff

Oh yeah, GV himself should get Heat Resistance of some kind from not collapsing in Viper’s stage in a few moments, and also minor Heat Manip from burning ivy away with the heat of the Flashfield

Survived being outside of a space station too so

I'll make a thread about resistance stuff later, let's focus on this for now

Bump

Seems fine to me

Bump, I mean a Sysop already approved so I think we're good

I'll make an explanation blog for exact numbers.