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As some of you know Nasuverse concept are accepted as not following the usual standard type of vsbattle (Except for the concept that directly originate from the Root who are type 1) but this CRT is to add a text that mention that even if their not follow the usual type their still able to affect concept type 2 because many part of their concept are equal to type 2/1

  • Different concept in nasuverse we have the origin, who are coming directly from the Root and exist in the Root who is transcendant over reality and are the fundamental concept of the livings beings

"Origin [Others]
The direction of everything that arose from fundamental cause. The α that enabled the existence of α, the absolute order that existed at the very core.
For instance, something with the Origin of "taboo", regardless of being born as a human, animal, or plant, would always exist to go against the morals established by the collective. - Kara no Kyoukai Special Pamphlet - Encyclopedia: Origin [Others], p.029-030

"Origin is the starting point that defines one's existence and directs one's actions throughout life. It is the driving force that comes from within the Root that has managed to stream out of the Source and take on material form. The form it can take on at times is that of a human being, and all humans match their actions to be in harmony with the driving force that originated them from the moment they enter into the world."

  • We have think the concept of Taiji who is a fundamental thing in Nasuverse

"Taiji [Others]
A philosophy originated in ancient China, a graphical representation of the Yin-Yang theory.
It attempts to capture the essence of everything on a conceptual level: those that are active are defined as Yang (white), and the opposite are defined as Yin (black).
The Taiji symbolizes opposing concepts such as day and night, light and darkness, male and female. At the same time, you may also call it a condensed version of the ever-changing, dynamic World.
Furthermore, there is a dot of Yin in Yang, and conversely a dot of Yang in Yin. This indicates that the distinction between Yin and Yang is not absolute. There is darkness even in light.
Taiji is the "one" at the beginning, the Yin and Yang that divide the "one" are called Liangyi (Ryougi). " - Kara no Kyoukai Special Pamphlet - Encyclopedia: Taiji [Others], p.035

  • In Nasuverse you have multiple level of the same concept. (Like having a higher level of concept of death) (and if people ask she was able after to decipher that advanced concept of death)

"The reason why Araya is lagging behind the Buddha Sarari that is embedded is because it belongs to the enlightened person who went into extermination while he was alive".To kill it by the lines of death means she has to decipher advanced "lines of death" levels higher than the normal concept of death. " - TYPE-MOON Fes. Official Pamphlet 10th Anniversary Q & A Booklet.

  • BB concept that she manipule are transcendant of reality and they are more true than true number.

Conceptual Manipulation (Can expunge the concepts of the world and replace them with one of her own choosing with C.C.C. She also controls the Mooncell, which has a different concept of time, and something akin to the concept of reincarnation, and the Imaginary Number Space, where concepts are more true than numbers, and the concept of time and space do not exist. Created the BB Special Dog Space, which lacks the concept of entrances, exits, or limits. Placed herself in the concept of infinite time)



  • We have King hassan that are able to insert the concept of death in Tiamat a being whitout concept of death.

  • We have mystic eyes of death capacity that are transcendant of reality and came from The Root which allow to kill concept.

  • We have some authority that can do that, and we know that the concept of being is transcendant over reality as it's the origin

Conceptual Manipulation (Can restore, erase, repair and wash away concepts at will) , Void Manipulation (Should be able to incinerate beings from existence so that not even their concept remains through Shiva's Authority)

  • we have think like Conceptual Weapon that are born from concept and show that the only way to kill concept if to kill the concept directly (so killing all object of the concept will no kill the concept nor disperse it as concept can only be killed by concept)

There are a variety of concepts that Conceptual Weapons can enforce, including "the negation of immortality with the concept of a natural life", "severing and binding", and "absolute defense against thrown weapons." Some are made to directly crush the soul with a concept. Formless things such as manifestations of laws or delusions are unable to be affected by physical interference, but Conceptual Weapons are able to damage them because beings born from concepts can only be killed by concepts.

Conclusion:

We should mark that even if Nasuverse concept don't follow the usual type they should still act like type 2 concept because their are fondamentaly like that or we do like Personna and give them multiple type.

The apply will be just to add a line in Nasuverse page that tell that even if Nasuverse concept don't follow the usual type because have part of all type, they can still work and do thing like them (all type)
 
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agree

also, to add to this, the fact that nasu concepts are simingly limited to each planet (See the Types) is because each of them is a microcosmos (Earth has numerous layers, with just one of them containing a sea of stars and another being litterally space itself)
 
agree

also, to add to this, the fact that nasu concepts are simingly limited to each planet (See the Types) is because each of them is a microcosmos (Earth has numerous layers, with just one of them containing a sea of stars and another being litterally space itself)
That it's because in the many level of concept their are the one born from earth and the one born from the Root
 
Conceptual manipulation type 1 is getting nuked soon anyways lol. But Conceptual manipulation type 2 and 3 currently are so freaking confusing imo... been trying 6o read the wiki for examples ahd learn but it ain't working...

From what I seen. These are at best type 3.
 
Conceptual manipulation type 1 is getting nuked soon anyways lol. But Conceptual manipulation type 2 and 3 currently are so freaking confusing imo... been trying 6o read the wiki for examples ahd learn but it ain't working...

From what I seen. These are at best type 3.
How can these be type 3 when they transcend reality in any level (being from the root or being higher level of concept) and that you can't kill/destroy the concept by killing all the object of the concept? (And origin is already accepted as type 1)
 
How can these be type 3 when they transcend reality in any level (being from the root or being higher level of concept) and that you can't kill/destroy the concept by killing all the object of the concept?
I'm a bit confused. Are you saying all concepts are 1-A in nasuverse?
 
I'm a bit confused. Are you saying all concepts are 1-A in nasuverse?
No? You really confused lol, i was talking about how you see the op as type 3 when one thing of the op Origin is already type 1 concept... And we have litteral description of concept can't being destroy/remake by changing their object like it work for type 3.

And you can being from a 1-A thing whitout being 1-A pretty sure will already disscus this in the root crt scaling
 
But anyways if you want to understand better the diff between type 2 and 3, it's type 2 transcend and shape and affect a whole reality (so like BB does with her concept that affect and shape all fate extra reality). These concept can shape their object but the object can't change the concept (so by killing all human don't destroy type 2 concept of hulan) and it's why in lb1 concept of human and alaya still exist in lb1 when we human don't exist anymore

And type 3 they govern reality but can be destroy/shaped by changing all object of the concept, by ex if you transform all sword in rock, the concept of sword will disappear.




But anyways it's like not even the thing kf the crt as the crt is just here to explain that even if nasuverse don't follow vsbattle type they still can do the sale thing than them (like nasu concept should still able to affect acau type 5 or resist type 2 concept bevause their concept work like it too)
 
Conceptual manipulation type 1 is getting nuked soon anyways lol. But Conceptual manipulation type 2 and 3 currently are so freaking confusing imo... been trying 6o read the wiki for examples ahd learn but it ain't working...

From what I seen. These are at best type 3.
Type 2 and 3 are getting changed too. Things should be simplier once it is actually applied.
 
Not an expert, but sounds reasonable to me. Though if there are upcoming changes to the Conceptual Manipulation types, is there agreement on what those changes will be, if so then they should be outlined and taken into account.
 
So what should be done here in summary?
 
Okay, and has that change been accepted by our staff?
 
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