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Cha Hae-in (Ragnarock) uni+ upgrade

PHANtomFELdway said:
Turns out "labor pains" is an understatement.
Cha Hae-In's pregnancy cramps were as special as Suho himself. The power Suho inherited, and the immense power her vessel was forced to contain originated from the power to destroy everything, and the energy her body was holding was quite literally comparable to the birth of a new universe. Even as an newborn child, Suho possessed enough power to stand against the Itarim

A vessel's durability is directly tied to the amount of power it can safely contain, meaning a stronger vessel allows for greater overall stats. By expanding and reinforcing Cha Hae-In's vessel, Jinwoo drastically increased the amount of power her body could withstand, pushing her far beyond the limits of an ordinary human.Which resulted in a massive increase in her overall power, ultimately allowing her to kill an Apostle,whose mere presence is capable of collapsing an entire universe.
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Could you link where a universe in solo leveling was accepted as Low 2-C? Otherwise this would be 3-A / High 3-A
 
Lilybitdun said:
Could you link where a universe in solo leveling was accepted as Low 2-C? Otherwise this would be 3-A / High 3-A
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I’m making a cosmology page so anything i say will be kinda redundant.so for now it would be fine to scale it to the multiple infinite sized rifts and dimensional walls (high 3-A) that are encompassed by the universe . Even though it outscales. I was just planning to scale it to Uni+, treating it as a standard universe. (I thought vsbw treated universes as uni+ by default)

Though since it outright scales to the itarim (who created the universe from nothingness would that not be uni+ (unless time is assumed to not exist or something)
 
This should genuinely be accepted immediately tbh.

And Jin Woo + lots of other characters would upscale from this for obvious reasons. So hopefully Jin will be put at at least uni+, and not island level.
 
Okay but in all seriousness cha is not universal+, she is explicitly not even National hunter level, as when she got her magic power measured she was deemed a normal S-Rank Hunter. Unlike Suho, who upon getting his magic power measured caused the device to explode and melt down, which got him recognized as the first National Level Hunter in the new timeline. National level hunters being people who are compared to the dragon Kamish, which is country level.

Cha also needed the sword of a fake Baran (fake monarch that Jinwoo fought before he even reached level 100 in the OG series) in order to defeat a generic S-Rank enemy. A sword which is also explicitly weaker than a dulled out Kamish's Wrath (a sword made from the fang of Kamish), which further solidifies she is not at that level.
 
Phoenks said:
Okay but in all seriousness cha is not universal+, she is explicitly not even National hunter level, as when she got her magic power measured she was deemed a normal S-Rank Hunter. Unlike Suho, who upon getting his magic power measured caused the device to explode and melt down, which got him recognized as the first National Level Hunter in the new timeline. National level hunters being people who are compared to the dragon Kamish, which is country level.
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Suho just outright says he isn’t on her level so i don’t know why that is being used ngl. As well as the fact that she is outright stated to have contained more energy than sung ilhwan who was a full fledged apostle.

Also want to add that both national level and S ranks would just read as immeasurable. The only reason Suho melted the mana meter is because his mana has the properties of ******* breath of destruction from the dragon heart Antares gave him.(also Suho has more mana obviously since he has over 100,000)
Phoenks said:
Cha also needed the sword of a fake Baran (fake monarch that Jinwoo fought before he even reached level 100 in the OG series) in order to defeat a generic S-Rank enemy. A sword which is also explicitly weaker than a dulled out Kamish's Wrath (a sword made from the fang of Kamish), which further solidifies she is not at that level.
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You're conflating an apostle's vessel with its true form (Yet again). Baran's sword was specifically required because it can harm an apostle's spiritual body, and not just its physical vessel.

The novel also makes it clear that even a massively nerfed apostle confined to a vessel requires National Rank-level power just to fight.(though there are some apostles even weaker than that)

the apostle Cha defeated had already lost its vessel.she killed the apostle's true spiritual form. which was causing the dimension and its dimensional walls to collapse, and on the very same page it states that the exact same outcome would have happened to our universe under the same circumstances.

Though I do somewhat agree with you. Since while her vessel can contain that much energy, she kinda lost it and is regaining it (seeing as how her vessel is no longer full)
 
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PHANtomFELdway said:
Suho just outright says he isn’t on her level
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This is before he becomes a national level hunter btw. What I said is after he does. He and Cha don't get measured until he has Antares heart. And at that point he is blatantly above her level. The series could not make it more clear.

Gonna come back with scans later but idk why you're actually trying to defend this duper wank 😭😭 you know you're wrong here.
 
Phoenks said:
This is before he becomes a national level hunter btw. What I said is after he does. He and Cha don't get measured until he has Antares heart.
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Crazy how cha is the only one considered a true national hunter and the one that follows behind is sung ii hwan. Which ill find if need be its pretty late into the 300's
 
Phoenks said:
This is before he becomes a national level hunter btw. What I said is after he does. He and Cha don't get measured until he has Antares heart. And at that point he is blatantly above her level. The series could not make it more clear.
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More mana≠ more powerful. The statement being from before he got a buff to his mana isn’t relevant 😭. Cha is already a national rank

Suho has more trouble against apostles that are weaker than the apostle cha oneshot so he blatantly isn’t stronger,

Then later she almost oneshots the same apostle Suho fought but it dodged and was basically put on the brink of death. I don’t think suho is even stronger than ilhwan yet let alone cha

Also didn’t address literally ANYTHING else i mentioned
Phoenks said:
Gonna come back with scans later but idk why you're actually trying to defend this duper wank 😭😭 you know you're wrong here.
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Yap
 
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Phoenks said:
Okay but in all seriousness cha is not universal+, she is explicitly not even National hunter level, as when she got her magic power measured she was deemed a normal S-Rank Hunter. Unlike Suho, who upon getting his magic power measured caused the device to explode and melt down, which got him recognized as the first National Level Hunter in the new timeline. National level hunters being people who are compared to the dragon Kamish, which is country level.

Cha also needed the sword of a fake Baran (fake monarch that Jinwoo fought before he even reached level 100 in the OG series) in order to defeat a generic S-Rank enemy. A sword which is also explicitly weaker than a dulled out Kamish's Wrath (a sword made from the fang of Kamish), which further solidifies she is not at that level.
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Actually, end of Ragnarok Hae-In is explicitely stated to be a national level hunter. And which "generic S-Rank enemy" are you referring to?
 
I will comment after I finish.the series since I guess there is more context.

I am at chapter 300.
 
Phoenks said:
I will comment after I finish.the series since I guess there is more context.

I am at chapter 300.
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Hm. I might suggest actually reading the source material before you start commenting on threads arguing against said verses scaling, especially given you're supposed to be an admin.
 
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