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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph
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Stefano4444
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Probably by a good margin, at least put him at around Post Timeskip Lucci as comparation, if not likely above even that.
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Jinbe 5-B from deflecting Imu attack that could have killed Loki.
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Jinbe got so much stronger after egghead arc without training xd
Stefano4444
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More like he was simply that strong but we simply didn't have enough feats to be fully certain.
Now however i guess we can have Jinbei at fully 5-C rather than just as possibly.
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I don't think just 1 more Omen bomb would've killed Loki.
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MESSII.. MESSI.. MESSI!!!
Absolute beast, no one compares.
Messi wins or loses the final, doesn’t matter, he already showed and completed football, being the best easily at age 39.
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If he's back to back champion, bro is the player of century.
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Of this century? Messi has aleays been the player of century BRO. If he wins this WC he becomes the greatest OAT. Hes going to win anothrr ballon dor for it and finish his career winning the super ballon dor (10 ballon d'ors for the best 10, PEAK CINEMA
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https://vsbattles.com/threads/6-a-tournament-6-16-spots-filled.193242/ Idk if op is 6-a please contribute
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Wait you got current sanji below lucci??
Stefano4444
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I reasonably believe that Awakened Lucci is still stronger than Post Genetic Awakening/Egghead Sanji. Not by the massive gap as I previously thought (now i believe if Sanji does get Advance CoC he more than likely end up surpassing Lucci), but still noticeable.
Awakened Lucci managed to stalemate King of Hell Zoro for an extended period. Yes, Zoro wasn't going all out, and the moment he did, he won the fight. However, he also wasn't holding back that much either, and he was clearly trying to end the fight as quickly as possible. On top of that, Lucci survived a beating from Gear 5 Luffy. Not to mention that even his regular Hybrid Form was strong enough to somewhat damage S-Bear in Flame-On Mode (although not to the same extent as Zoro against King where the former needed 3 moves to defeat the latter), alongside Boundman Luffy. His Base also briefly clashed with Egghead/Post-ACoC Base Zoro.
Sanji isn't completely powerless, but none of his Egghead feats can reasonably place him above Awakened Lucci. While enraged, he was able to damage S-Shark in Flame-On Mode, although he never managed to seriously injure him in the way Hybrid Lucci did against S-Bear. He also blocked Nusjuro's sword and even made him bleed, but i don't find that feat particularly impressive compared to what Lucci accomplished. Furthermore, Nusjuro wasn't actually trying to fight Sanji; his objective was to kill Franky and Bonney. Therefore, it's questionable whether he was even using his full strength against Sanji.
Sanji also neutralized Kizaru's laser with raw strength. However, this happened against a Kizaru who was reluctant to kill Bonney, so we can't conclude that he was fighting at full power. Besides that, scaling Sanji directly to Kizaru is highly questionable considering Kizaru's performance against Gear 5 Luffy, the scaling implications involving the other Admirals, and the overall narrative portrayal of the Admirals as fighters capable of going toe-to-toe with the Emperors.
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Well, Argentina has turned into an extremely far right Zionist country, whereas Spain is much more morally righteous comparatively speaking, so I obviously hope that Spain will win, but given all of the cheating that FIFA has already done in favour of far right countries, I strongly suspect that they will do so again today.
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Isn't Sweden trying to go fascist? Not sure Argentina is the biggest worry.Well, Argentina has turned into an extremely far right zionist country, whereas Spain is much more morally righteous comparatively speaking, so I obviously hope that Spain will win, but given all of the cheating that FIFA has already done in favour of far right countries, I strongly suspect that they will do so again today.
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WTH ARE YOU talking about BRO. Argentina hasnt been cheatinng at all, hermanos are simoly the bestWell, Argentina has turned into an extremely far right zionist country, whereas Spain is much more morally righteous comparatively speaking, so I obviously hope that Spain will win, but given all of the cheating that FIFA has already done in favour of far right countries, I strongly suspect that they will do so again today.
+ Messi deserves it BRO, que mira bobo
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We have two nasty far right racist Islamophobic Zionist parties called the Sweden Democrats and the Christian Democrats, who want to expell virtually all Muslims from the country, yes, and they are unfortunately currently in our government. That said, Argentina's current government is considerably more extreme as far as I have understood.
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I was referring to FIFA apparently cheating to rig the competition, not to that any individual team has done so.WTH ARE YOU talking about BRO. Argentina hasnt been cheatinng at all, hermanos are simoly the best
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Argentina has been winning solely because of the leadership and playmaking of Messi... It's a sport, not a political movement or statement.Well, Argentina has turned into an extremely far right zionist country, whereas Spain is much more morally righteous comparatively speaking, so I obviously hope that Spain will win, but given all of the cheating that FIFA has already done in favour of far right countries, I strongly suspect that they will do so again today.
Let's not try to demonize the players because of the people in power, the sport or the player has nothing to do with that.
That just goes against all logic... that's like saying Germany had Hitler so now you can't support them. Or USA has Trump, so now you can't support them... The sport has nothing to do with them and should never be associated with them to begin with ever.
Unless you actually have proof without fake evidence, AI, or misinformation, then I would recommend you don't speak like that. It minimizes every effort the teams and those associated with them have made and sacrificed.
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I am not intending to belittle the players or their skill and effort. I am just saying that it might turn into a big PR win for extremely evil people if Argentina wins, but you have a good point, so I will shut up now unless others continue.
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I personally don't really understand how tho? The ones that are getting the most hate are extremely unfairly Messi and Argentina still because of the fake evidence, AI, and propaganda made against them. People are even getting paid to do that.
Yet Messi has shown the most respect and been the most humble out of nearly any player in the sport (and he's the leader)... If Argentina wins, it will be all about Messi, barely anything for the people in power. Messi has even spoken in the past about the problems in Argentina with people having low salaries and such, so it's not all a contribution to the people in power... It's only been about God and their people, stated here as well.
But yes, be a little more mindful and get the necessary information first, because it can definitely lead to unprompted discourse that just causes division in people. (Especially when Messi has already shown support for both countries within the sport)but you have a good point, so I will shut up now unless others continue.
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The only thing that people care the most about Argentina is only Messi, and that's it. Really. Despite the negative things like you said on the earlier sentence, but, I only disagree with the part about FIFA helping them. Pretty much what MonkeyOfLife have explained.Well, Argentina has turned into an extremely far right Zionist country, whereas Spain is much more morally righteous comparatively speaking, so I obviously hope that Spain will win, but given all of the cheating that FIFA has already done in favour of far right countries, I strongly suspect that they will do so again today.
for the record, I'm not trying to continue this at length.
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Stefano4444
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Oh about we stop talk about unrelated stuff and focus on what scaling need to be revisited.
Like how about you people ask me about why i put certain characters to a tier instead to another.
Like how about you people ask me about why i put certain characters to a tier instead to another.
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I disagree with Sanji being below Lucci, but it's hard to elaborate it on a scaling level itself, it could work with queen tanking king's slashes, but it's mostly the narrative and the wings thing and how Sanji talks about Lucci as someone that Zoro should beat fairly fast while new databooks state Sanji is equal to Zoro. I know the CoC thing, but Gaban put it pretty clearly that for now an unconscious usage of Zoro makes his coc less powerful, so I expected Zoro and Sanji being on equal terms again (I actually have Zoro a bit above) because Sanji will use it consciously and by talent show a better usage than egghead/early elbaf zoro.
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That only if you believe King's AP should be Low 5-B, which i personally don't think its the case, and even then tanking King's slashes don't automatically put Queen at Low 5-B since its not like those where his strongest moves or he was going all out in that specific.
Frankly nearly most Top Commanders don't have any sufficient justification to be Low 5-B especially see it was explicitely show the big gap of power between them and their Emperors, with Base Kaido's Thunder Bagua be able to oneshot Boundman Luffy, someone who at was already stronger/tougher than most Top Commanders by a good margin.
Currently the only one who has the feats to put him at possibly Low 5-B its Marco, and Benn due of Shanks's crew be smaller but having stronger members to compensate, but personally the rest should stuck at 5-C for scaling/upscaling from Issho's meteors.
That doesn't necessarely means Sanji himself could have done better or that he could have defeat Lucci.
Was that databook referring to Sanji and Zoro after their Wano power ups?
Yet that weaker CoC was still capable to overpower King's Lunarian defense and put him down with 3 hits, where Sanji against S-Shark never manage to do that even after his awakening.
Yeah it likely that unlike Zoro he may actually be able to use it consciously and both him and Zoro may end up reach or surpassing Yamato's level or Post ACoC Base Luffy's level.
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Are there finally some good feats besides Whitebeard's/Blackbeard's earthquakes, etc. or still no progress in that regard over all these years? Or at least anything much more impressive than Enel's Skypia escapades?
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I think it's more so talking about the overall combat skills of being equal to Zoro, not 1 to 1 in stats
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cubari (.) moe/read/imgchest/agyvnbr3948/1/1/Does anybody have the latest databook statistics available?
remove the parentheses around "." this is the link to the entire thing
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We see him in the previous arc use KOH as a final stand, something that he doesn’thave control of and could possibly kill him, I honestly doubt he was using KOH based off the circumstances, and was just using conquerors or at the very least wasn’t letting all his haki with KOH if he gained some control. I don’t think he was trying to end the fight either, he made it a point he had control of the fight we know he did. As soon as the situation became dire and sanji called him a burden he completely out maneuvered lucci and heavily injured him. With Zoan recovery makes sense he could keep going after fighting luffy.
Sanji had completely destroyed lizard’s laser which even had him shocked. When did Hybrid lucci injure S-Bear? From what I remember there seraphim were hardly damaged at all even by luffy. Yeah I dont think Nusjuro was using his full strength but there was definitely some effort there like I dont see how his target being Franky or bonny matter when hes actively trying to go for kill and bares no feelings towards them.
Yes, kizaru wasn’t in the right head space but he’s still and admiral and had a visceral reaction to what sanji did same with Franky. It was clearly presented to be an impressive feat. I def wouldnt say sanji scales directly to kizaru but its still an impressive feat nonetheless. I feel like the series has made it a point that sanji and zoro are close in strength, zoro will always be slightly stronger but sanji is right there.
Stefano4444
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He actually was in his KOH Mode, quite plainly i would say, since its indicated by the presence of the green flames around Zoro's swords, which its suppost to rappresent his letting his Haki (both Conqueror and Armament) go out. Which are clearly present when he was fighting Awakening Lucci.
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This its also not correct, as Zoro was taking it slow against Lucci and wanted to end it soon, yeah he wasn't going all at this point yet he wasn't holding back much of his strength either, and both where huffing indicating that they were fighting for a while.
And just remember that Awakening Lucci was fighting a KOH Zoro who had overall better control and was in a far better physical condictions compare to his Wano version, the same version who despite the critical conditions was still capable to fully overpower King's max defense with three named attacks.
Where with Sanji while capable to hurt and affect S-Shark even in his Flame On, he never once ever manage to put the same amount of damage to S-Shark in a similar to Zoro against King, and considering that we never how the fight actually concluded its not like we will ever know if he did end up defeat him trully or he simply stall until Vegapunk overrided his order.
Which while impressive it not definite proof that he its currently equal to KOH Zoro or that he fully scale to Kizaru, making him stronger than Lucci.
And if you want to go with the downscale route for Kizaru, that also isn't definite proof since you can also do the same with Lucci as he also briefly clash with Gear 5th.
That i can understand, still i do believe Lucci has demostrated better feats during Egghead, and Sanji be always be right behind Zoro doesn't necessarely prove that he would be above Lucci, Sanji < Lucci < Zoro can still be the case and it wouldn't contradict anything, since Lucci isn't a Straw Hat member.
Meaning for the most part Sanji would only get a possibly Low 5-B similar to Lucci, where in comparation KOH Zoro should be fully Low 5-B both from be able to fully overpower Lunarian's durability which its show to be on par if not above Dragon Kaido, as well as the hype about Advance Conqueror Haki and how its what put most Top Tiers such as the Emperors an another level compare to everyone else (with only Admirals and Fleet Admirals be able to actually go toe to toe with them despite many of them lacking Conqueror Haki in general).
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Hmm. Not exactly honourable sportsmanlike behaviour.
www.bbc.com
www.nytimes.com
World Cup 2026: Fifa opens investigation into Argentina post-final trouble
Argentina will face an investigation into the ugly scenes at the end of the World Cup final, Fifa has confirmed.
www.bbc.com
Argentina disgraced themselves, and the World Cup final, with their charmless petulance
Argentina's passion was an asset but too often in this World Cup it has spilled over into distasteful aggression
www.nytimes.com
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I thought we weren't supposed to be very political on the forum.
Also, not relevant to the One Piece thread anyway.
Also, not relevant to the One Piece thread anyway.
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Ant... Are you really gonna post headlines on this thread that happened in a brief altercation after a football match...?Hmm. Not exactly honourable sportsmanlike behaviour.
World Cup 2026: Fifa opens investigation into Argentina post-final trouble
Argentina will face an investigation into the ugly scenes at the end of the World Cup final, Fifa has confirmed.
Argentina disgraced themselves, and the World Cup final, with their charmless petulance
Argentina's passion was an asset but too often in this World Cup it has spilled over into distasteful aggression
The Spain player who started it, isn't exactly "honourable sportsmanlike behaviour" as well, yet you don't say anything about that..?
Ant, you already said this... So idk why you even continued.
so I will shut up now unless others continue.
Your whole thing was that it was rigged for Argentina with the refrees siding with them... It was the opposite for this match. The team lost and now your fueling it even more... Come on
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Well, I had that impression given how the teams from Egypt and Iran were treated, and that Trump got a rightly expelled United States player reinserted again, among other things, and completely disagree with your assessment of who started behaving badly, but I am glad that Spain won despite the odds against them.
Anyway, my apologies for bringing up this issue then.
Anyway, my apologies for bringing up this issue then.
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