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?? That would be just an upscale to the other Archons too.
No. The Traveler was just self-defense because Dvalin was about to attack em. And that corrupted Dvalin wasn't even intend to fight the Traveler anyway.
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Genshin Impact Discussion Thread
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The Chinese translation for lord of the hidden depths might potentially upscale the abyss
For context, I looked up the Chinese raws for the Lord of the Hidden Depths.
In English, it is described as follows:
“An Abyssal creature that creeps through rifts in the hidden depths, quietly watching this world.
Its eerie, faceless form is said to be nothing more than a projection, for its true body exists only as a formless mass of pure Abyssal energy.”
However, the Chinese raws are more accurately translated as:
“It is said that its bizarre, blasphemous faceless appearance is merely an image projected onto the world; its true form is a shapeless thing that exists as pure Abyssal energy.”
Or:
“Lurking within the deep, dark rifts, these Abyssal monsters silently watch over this world. It is said that their bizarre, blasphemous faceless forms are merely projections onto the world; their true forms are intangible entities that exist solely as Abyssal energy.”
Raws: 伏行于深黯的裂隙，窥伺此世的深渊魔物。据说那怪异、亵渎的无面形貌不过是投射于世界上的影像，其真实姿态乃是以纯粹深渊能量形式存在的无形之物。
即便是妄图支配这个世界的入侵者，也不得不在一定程度上遵从世界原本的法则。直至高天的面纱破碎、地骨的护堤崩毁，来自群星的失乡者都只能像这般匿避于世界的边缘，以疯狂与谵妄的低语，徒劳无功地渗入此世吧…但世界安稳的秩序，又会持续到何时呢？
It’s clarifying it's a projection onto reality, not just a projection in general.
This might just be me reading too much into it, but it gives off higher-dimensional vibes for the Abyss.
That would make sense as the Abyss
scales above the Shade of Void, who can manipulate dimensionality,
as well as the Voyagers, who transcended time and conquered space-time yet were still unable to stop it.
It also aligns with how deeply the Abyss is connected to fate.
A similar type of description for Abyssal beings also appears here:
“Yet that enemy could neither age nor die, for his life was hidden far from his body.
No matter how many times the king of the snowy realms struck him down, he would rise again from the shadows.
The Snow-King would have to cross that silent realm alone and, at its lightless heart, find an egg.
This egg held the essence of his enemy’s life. Shatter it, and the immortal enemy would be reduced to dust.”
This seems to imply that pure Abyssal beings manifesting in the physical world are just projections, while their true essence remains within the Abyss.
That said, the lore from Wings of the Silent Moon also states : this entire tale may simply be a fanciful explanation someone created to justify the glider’s existence:
“There are far too many versions to count. But it does not matter.”
So it’s best to take this glider lore with a grain of salt.
For context, I looked up the Chinese raws for the Lord of the Hidden Depths.
In English, it is described as follows:
“An Abyssal creature that creeps through rifts in the hidden depths, quietly watching this world.
Its eerie, faceless form is said to be nothing more than a projection, for its true body exists only as a formless mass of pure Abyssal energy.”
However, the Chinese raws are more accurately translated as:
“It is said that its bizarre, blasphemous faceless appearance is merely an image projected onto the world; its true form is a shapeless thing that exists as pure Abyssal energy.”
Or:
“Lurking within the deep, dark rifts, these Abyssal monsters silently watch over this world. It is said that their bizarre, blasphemous faceless forms are merely projections onto the world; their true forms are intangible entities that exist solely as Abyssal energy.”
Raws: 伏行于深黯的裂隙，窥伺此世的深渊魔物。据说那怪异、亵渎的无面形貌不过是投射于世界上的影像，其真实姿态乃是以纯粹深渊能量形式存在的无形之物。
即便是妄图支配这个世界的入侵者，也不得不在一定程度上遵从世界原本的法则。直至高天的面纱破碎、地骨的护堤崩毁，来自群星的失乡者都只能像这般匿避于世界的边缘，以疯狂与谵妄的低语，徒劳无功地渗入此世吧…但世界安稳的秩序，又会持续到何时呢？
It’s clarifying it's a projection onto reality, not just a projection in general.
This might just be me reading too much into it, but it gives off higher-dimensional vibes for the Abyss.
That would make sense as the Abyss
scales above the Shade of Void, who can manipulate dimensionality,
as well as the Voyagers, who transcended time and conquered space-time yet were still unable to stop it.
It also aligns with how deeply the Abyss is connected to fate.
A similar type of description for Abyssal beings also appears here:
“Yet that enemy could neither age nor die, for his life was hidden far from his body.
No matter how many times the king of the snowy realms struck him down, he would rise again from the shadows.
The Snow-King would have to cross that silent realm alone and, at its lightless heart, find an egg.
This egg held the essence of his enemy’s life. Shatter it, and the immortal enemy would be reduced to dust.”
This seems to imply that pure Abyssal beings manifesting in the physical world are just projections, while their true essence remains within the Abyss.
That said, the lore from Wings of the Silent Moon also states : this entire tale may simply be a fanciful explanation someone created to justify the glider’s existence:
“There are far too many versions to count. But it does not matter.”
So it’s best to take this glider lore with a grain of salt.
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Based on the 6.7 quest the range Columbina and the light realm has might be even larger than previous thought
For context, during the quest they were worried that sending a signal into deep space could be dangerous. Columbina said she could use her power to shield the message even after it left the false sky.
The false sky is potentially the size of a star system, mind you. She also said she could use her power to monitor the nearby area outside the false sky for any danger.
While she admits she has limits, she also says she can keep the message going far enough that anyone who discovers it wouldn’t be able to trace it back to the false sky and by virtue Teyvat.
I also don’t know where the idea that the Light Realm was limited to Teyvat came from.
Nibelung used the power of the Light Realm to create Teyvat’s sun and moon, implying that the Light Realm is not limited to Teyvat and can create objects and place them thousands of miles away from the world itself.
During Version 6, Columbina was even prepared to live on the Frost Moon, which was outside the false sky.
Nibelung left Teyvat to investigate the Abyss. Unless you believe he manually flew through the universe at massively faster-than-light
speeds, he should have retained some method of interstellar travel through keeping his powers.
In the same Moon quest, it is stated that one of the researchers on the moon used a spaceship to travel to the coordinates where the message originated,
which was light-years away. However, they would not have enough fuel to return.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t all dragon technology powered by the Light Realm? That would mean a ship powered by the Light Realm could leave Teyvat and travel multiple light-years away.
In fact, let me add another range upscale.
According to the new quest, the moon is thousands of miles away from Teyvat.
I personally assume the false sky is the size of a star system or larger.
If that’s true, then the Heavenly Principles used their power to fling a moon-sized object from Teyvat to a location outside the false sky, aka beyond the boundaries of an entire star system.
According to the quest, the Frost Moon, despite being outside Teyvat, was completely uncorrupted by the Abyss.
Columbina theorizes that this is either because the Abyss was not paying attention or because the Heavenly Principles did something to protect it.
From a lore perspective, the latter seems more likely because the game states that the Abyss is always watching Teyvat.
There is also a belief, based on some Version 6.7 text, that the Heavenly Principles used their authority to alter the logic of the entire universe in order to hide Teyvat/the false sky and its surrounding areas.
The fact that the Frost Moon remained completely untouched by the Abyss despite being outside the false sky may provide more evidence for that interpretation.
For context, during the quest they were worried that sending a signal into deep space could be dangerous. Columbina said she could use her power to shield the message even after it left the false sky.
The false sky is potentially the size of a star system, mind you. She also said she could use her power to monitor the nearby area outside the false sky for any danger.
While she admits she has limits, she also says she can keep the message going far enough that anyone who discovers it wouldn’t be able to trace it back to the false sky and by virtue Teyvat.
I also don’t know where the idea that the Light Realm was limited to Teyvat came from.
Nibelung used the power of the Light Realm to create Teyvat’s sun and moon, implying that the Light Realm is not limited to Teyvat and can create objects and place them thousands of miles away from the world itself.
During Version 6, Columbina was even prepared to live on the Frost Moon, which was outside the false sky.
Nibelung left Teyvat to investigate the Abyss. Unless you believe he manually flew through the universe at massively faster-than-light
speeds, he should have retained some method of interstellar travel through keeping his powers.
In the same Moon quest, it is stated that one of the researchers on the moon used a spaceship to travel to the coordinates where the message originated,
which was light-years away. However, they would not have enough fuel to return.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t all dragon technology powered by the Light Realm? That would mean a ship powered by the Light Realm could leave Teyvat and travel multiple light-years away.
In fact, let me add another range upscale.
According to the new quest, the moon is thousands of miles away from Teyvat.
I personally assume the false sky is the size of a star system or larger.
If that’s true, then the Heavenly Principles used their power to fling a moon-sized object from Teyvat to a location outside the false sky, aka beyond the boundaries of an entire star system.
According to the quest, the Frost Moon, despite being outside Teyvat, was completely uncorrupted by the Abyss.
Columbina theorizes that this is either because the Abyss was not paying attention or because the Heavenly Principles did something to protect it.
From a lore perspective, the latter seems more likely because the game states that the Abyss is always watching Teyvat.
There is also a belief, based on some Version 6.7 text, that the Heavenly Principles used their authority to alter the logic of the entire universe in order to hide Teyvat/the false sky and its surrounding areas.
The fact that the Frost Moon remained completely untouched by the Abyss despite being outside the false sky may provide more evidence for that interpretation.
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Addressing Some Common Misconceptions About Genshin Lore
1. Teyvat and Genshin Are Not Interchangeable
Teyvat and the Genshin universe are not the same thing. Teyvat is simply one world located at the edge of a spiral arm:
“Until a faint glimmer pierced her awareness, jolting the voyager from tenfold millennia of meditation.
It came from an unremarkable little world at the edge of the spiral arm — and from the primeval dragon that had been born alongside that world.”
The False Sky is also not a natural part of Teyvat. It was not always present, and based on the lore, its true size likely covers the entire star system that Teyvat resides in:
“It was a newly born, habitable planet.
But now, it lay shrouded behind several impenetrable fields, its primordial flame stripped of the radiance it was meant to bear.”
Genshin refers to the broader universe, while Teyvat is just one world within it.
We already know quite a bit about the wider Genshin universe, including its civilizations, races, and the fact that it is ultimately destined to be destroyed by the Abyss if it’s not stopped.
2. Outlanders Are Not Completely Immune to Teyvat’s Laws
Many people misunderstand what it means to be an Outlander.
An Outlander is simply someone who is not from Teyvat. Being an Outlander does not automatically make you immune to Teyvat’s laws or abilities.
:
“An Abyssal creature that creeps through rifts in the hidden depths, quietly watching this world. Its eerie, faceless form is said to be nothing more than a projection, for its true body exists only as a formless mass of pure Abyssal energy.
Even invaders who seek to claim this world must obey its rules to some extent.
Unless the heavens split open and the earth’s defenses collapse, these star-born outsiders can do little more than linger at the world’s fringes,
whispering their madness into this realm, their attempts to seep inside amounting to nothing…”
“The formless beast that soared through the starless void should never have required organs this world calls ‘wings.’
Those grotesque, profane appendages may have arisen to adapt to the laws beneath the moon, or perhaps they are merely the distorted fragment of its true form that mortal eyes are able to witness.”
Columbina also directly states:
“I lifted some of the restrictions this world placed on you. I trust this will help in your future adventures.”
Another statement says:
“You speak of the universal law created in heaven, the divine laws established in the beginning. No one has seen the eternal law, yet it governs all.”
The Doctor: I hope you’re not angry with me. It was only a month’s discrepancy — nothing too serious.
Had I been off by a year, a decade, or even a century… well, that would have been quite a different story.
Traveler: You could’ve frozen me for millions of years… So much for collaboration. You’re not showing much sincerity.
These shows beings from outside Teyvat are still subject to its laws unless they have specific resistances to it.
, Outlanders generally are not affected by the Ley Lines because they are not native to Teyvat. However, this is not absolute.
The Traveler was affected during the ship sequence in the Sumeru Archon Quest and was also influenced when the Ley Lines were disturbed during one of Dainsleif’s quests.
If an Outlander already has hax or resistance to hax before arriving in Teyvat, then they may resist some of Teyvat’s hax.
But, simply being an Outlander by itself is not enough. Teyvat’s laws and powers can still affect you.
The Traveler has greater resistance than the average Outlander, largely because they are a Descender, whose defining characteristic is their powerful will.
So, in practical terms, if someone like Ronova points at a random outlander and intends to kill them, they are not immune simply because they are from another world.
As they need hax resistance for that.
Though if you can traveler between worlds on average you should meet some condition to have some form of resistance.
1. Teyvat and Genshin Are Not Interchangeable
Teyvat and the Genshin universe are not the same thing. Teyvat is simply one world located at the edge of a spiral arm:
“Until a faint glimmer pierced her awareness, jolting the voyager from tenfold millennia of meditation.
It came from an unremarkable little world at the edge of the spiral arm — and from the primeval dragon that had been born alongside that world.”
The False Sky is also not a natural part of Teyvat. It was not always present, and based on the lore, its true size likely covers the entire star system that Teyvat resides in:
“It was a newly born, habitable planet.
But now, it lay shrouded behind several impenetrable fields, its primordial flame stripped of the radiance it was meant to bear.”
Genshin refers to the broader universe, while Teyvat is just one world within it.
We already know quite a bit about the wider Genshin universe, including its civilizations, races, and the fact that it is ultimately destined to be destroyed by the Abyss if it’s not stopped.
2. Outlanders Are Not Completely Immune to Teyvat’s Laws
Many people misunderstand what it means to be an Outlander.
An Outlander is simply someone who is not from Teyvat. Being an Outlander does not automatically make you immune to Teyvat’s laws or abilities.
:
“An Abyssal creature that creeps through rifts in the hidden depths, quietly watching this world. Its eerie, faceless form is said to be nothing more than a projection, for its true body exists only as a formless mass of pure Abyssal energy.
Even invaders who seek to claim this world must obey its rules to some extent.
Unless the heavens split open and the earth’s defenses collapse, these star-born outsiders can do little more than linger at the world’s fringes,
whispering their madness into this realm, their attempts to seep inside amounting to nothing…”
“The formless beast that soared through the starless void should never have required organs this world calls ‘wings.’
Those grotesque, profane appendages may have arisen to adapt to the laws beneath the moon, or perhaps they are merely the distorted fragment of its true form that mortal eyes are able to witness.”
Columbina also directly states:
“I lifted some of the restrictions this world placed on you. I trust this will help in your future adventures.”
Another statement says:
“You speak of the universal law created in heaven, the divine laws established in the beginning. No one has seen the eternal law, yet it governs all.”
The Doctor: I hope you’re not angry with me. It was only a month’s discrepancy — nothing too serious.
Had I been off by a year, a decade, or even a century… well, that would have been quite a different story.
Traveler: You could’ve frozen me for millions of years… So much for collaboration. You’re not showing much sincerity.
These shows beings from outside Teyvat are still subject to its laws unless they have specific resistances to it.
, Outlanders generally are not affected by the Ley Lines because they are not native to Teyvat. However, this is not absolute.
The Traveler was affected during the ship sequence in the Sumeru Archon Quest and was also influenced when the Ley Lines were disturbed during one of Dainsleif’s quests.
If an Outlander already has hax or resistance to hax before arriving in Teyvat, then they may resist some of Teyvat’s hax.
But, simply being an Outlander by itself is not enough. Teyvat’s laws and powers can still affect you.
The Traveler has greater resistance than the average Outlander, largely because they are a Descender, whose defining characteristic is their powerful will.
So, in practical terms, if someone like Ronova points at a random outlander and intends to kill them, they are not immune simply because they are from another world.
As they need hax resistance for that.
Though if you can traveler between worlds on average you should meet some condition to have some form of resistance.
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Am I the only one wondering why some people genuinely think the Sinners are weaker than the Shades?
As soon as the Sinners obtained Abyssal power, they became transcendental world shattering higher beings with physical forms being a triviality to them.
If a Sinner from 500 years ago could already override the authority of the Shade of Death’s curse of immortality which operates on the level of fate.
shake the laws of the world, and survive Nibelung’s Moon Reflection, like Rerir, then what do people think a Sinner who has had 500 years to refine their power could do?
“Master, since you mentioned that your group once divided enough Abyssal power amongst yourselves to overturn an entire world—or at least a sixth of it…”
“How is it that you are now many times stronger than an entire world, even when alone?”
“Did I save an idiot back then?”
“Listen well. When the fruit of a tree dies, its seeds are sown in rotten soil.”
“Naturally, these seeds may grow into stronger trees that bear harvests a hundred, or even a thousand times richer.”
As soon as the Sinners obtained Abyssal power, they became transcendental world shattering higher beings with physical forms being a triviality to them.
If a Sinner from 500 years ago could already override the authority of the Shade of Death’s curse of immortality which operates on the level of fate.
shake the laws of the world, and survive Nibelung’s Moon Reflection, like Rerir, then what do people think a Sinner who has had 500 years to refine their power could do?
“Master, since you mentioned that your group once divided enough Abyssal power amongst yourselves to overturn an entire world—or at least a sixth of it…”
“How is it that you are now many times stronger than an entire world, even when alone?”
“Did I save an idiot back then?”
“Listen well. When the fruit of a tree dies, its seeds are sown in rotten soil.”
“Naturally, these seeds may grow into stronger trees that bear harvests a hundred, or even a thousand times richer.”
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In the original translation surtalogi being described as a higher being is more accurately
More accurately described as: Of course, as a higher existence, appearance has no meaning to him.
He can be a beast, he can be human, or he can be an indescribable monster. The one you see now, with the Abyss as his armor, is the appearance he commonly uses when wandering the sea of stars.
Or :Creature: "Of course. As a higher-order existence, physical appearance no longer holds any meaning to him."
He can be a beast, a human, or a nameless monster. What you see now is that he wears the abyss as his armor, which is his usual appearance when traveling in the sea of stars.
Not sure if this is the correct translation for 当然，作为更高位的存在，容貌对他来说已经没有任何意义。他可以是野兽，可以是人类，也可以是无可名状的魔物。你现在见到的他以深渊为盔甲，是他游历星海常用的模样。
Though.
I’m also not sure if it’s and upscale over the English version of just the same thing:
Of course. As a higher being, physical form is a triviality to him.
Strange Creature : He could appear as a beast, a human, or even a monster that defies description. The form you see him in here, clad in Abyssal armor, is the one he usually wears when traveling through the stars.
More accurately described as: Of course, as a higher existence, appearance has no meaning to him.
He can be a beast, he can be human, or he can be an indescribable monster. The one you see now, with the Abyss as his armor, is the appearance he commonly uses when wandering the sea of stars.
Or :Creature: "Of course. As a higher-order existence, physical appearance no longer holds any meaning to him."
He can be a beast, a human, or a nameless monster. What you see now is that he wears the abyss as his armor, which is his usual appearance when traveling in the sea of stars.
Not sure if this is the correct translation for 当然，作为更高位的存在，容貌对他来说已经没有任何意义。他可以是野兽，可以是人类，也可以是无可名状的魔物。你现在见到的他以深渊为盔甲，是他游历星海常用的模样。
Though.
I’m also not sure if it’s and upscale over the English version of just the same thing:
Of course. As a higher being, physical form is a triviality to him.
Strange Creature : He could appear as a beast, a human, or even a monster that defies description. The form you see him in here, clad in Abyssal armor, is the one he usually wears when traveling through the stars.
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1. Avatar Creation for the Abyssal beings (which is confused with HDE).
2. The Light Realm is not limited to Teyvat; its power and influence extend far beyond it.
3. Outlanders are not immune to the laws of Teyvat. This includes the Traveler, who is a Descender.
4. The Sinners are no weaker than the Four Shades.
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That’s all I thought was worth mentioning.
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Common knowledge, Idk why bro even need to send a text wall about those. Idk about the light realm tho.
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I’m I the only one iffy about Genshin currently being connected to the Honkai games?
Correct me if I’m missing anything.
Previously, people thought that leafs or bubble worlds were the size of universes, or that the Tree was a multiverse, and that HI3 was its own universe.
However, it was later revealed that HI3 is just a star system within HSR.
Zander had a theory that the Tree is a multiverse, but in the lore, that’s merely his personal hypothesis, not a confirmed fact.
The general consensus I’ve seen from some people is that it’s a complex universe.
If that’s the case, then some aspects of Genshin’s lore would contradict a connection.
That Otto scene took place before both Genshin and HSR were even released, in the same era as Kate Kaslana, who was removed for a reason.
There have been zero follow-ups, and hoyo has retconned a bunch of things from that era.
That wind glider is just an Easter egg, as HSR has a bunch of Easter eggs from different series.
They also claimed in Alien space correct me if I’m wrong that the Sky People could invade the HSR universe or that they would actually be a threat, but based on all we know about HSR and how powerful it is,
I’m not so sure about that.
That drink event thing with the Raiden twins also isn’t actually canon to the story of HSR.
Genshin lore operates on a universal scale—a civilization transcended time, conquered space-time, and operated on a multi-galactic to universal range, yet they don’t mention a single Honkai lore-related thing like the Imaginary or Imaginary Walls.
The Abyss is millions of years old, and in Genshin, the fate of the universe is severed.
The Abyss’s goal is to destroy all of existence—it is currently destroying the universe, implying in Genshin that this is all of existence.
The Abyss has destroyed multiple galaxies, yet there is no mention of this in Honkai, nor do any factions in HSR try to interfere.
In every future possibility the Voyager sees, it all leads to the the abyss which can erase existence destroying all of existence .
In Honkai, Imaginary Walls exist; before the Trailblaze appeared, traveling the universe was hard for the average person.
In Genshin, despite there being zero mention of the Trailblaze, the average random outlander and spaceship can travel to different star system or galaxies, implying that Imaginary Walls—a Hoyoverse concept do not exist in Genshin.
When it talks about the universe in Genshin, it doesn’t say "part of the universe"—it just says "the universe" straight up. So why are some people so sure it’s currently a part of honkai?
I feel like Hoyo had plans for them being connected early on but changed their mind as time went on, which they do often.
Correct me if I’m missing anything.
Previously, people thought that leafs or bubble worlds were the size of universes, or that the Tree was a multiverse, and that HI3 was its own universe.
However, it was later revealed that HI3 is just a star system within HSR.
Zander had a theory that the Tree is a multiverse, but in the lore, that’s merely his personal hypothesis, not a confirmed fact.
The general consensus I’ve seen from some people is that it’s a complex universe.
If that’s the case, then some aspects of Genshin’s lore would contradict a connection.
That Otto scene took place before both Genshin and HSR were even released, in the same era as Kate Kaslana, who was removed for a reason.
There have been zero follow-ups, and hoyo has retconned a bunch of things from that era.
That wind glider is just an Easter egg, as HSR has a bunch of Easter eggs from different series.
They also claimed in Alien space correct me if I’m wrong that the Sky People could invade the HSR universe or that they would actually be a threat, but based on all we know about HSR and how powerful it is,
I’m not so sure about that.
That drink event thing with the Raiden twins also isn’t actually canon to the story of HSR.
Genshin lore operates on a universal scale—a civilization transcended time, conquered space-time, and operated on a multi-galactic to universal range, yet they don’t mention a single Honkai lore-related thing like the Imaginary or Imaginary Walls.
The Abyss is millions of years old, and in Genshin, the fate of the universe is severed.
The Abyss’s goal is to destroy all of existence—it is currently destroying the universe, implying in Genshin that this is all of existence.
The Abyss has destroyed multiple galaxies, yet there is no mention of this in Honkai, nor do any factions in HSR try to interfere.
In every future possibility the Voyager sees, it all leads to the the abyss which can erase existence destroying all of existence .
In Honkai, Imaginary Walls exist; before the Trailblaze appeared, traveling the universe was hard for the average person.
In Genshin, despite there being zero mention of the Trailblaze, the average random outlander and spaceship can travel to different star system or galaxies, implying that Imaginary Walls—a Hoyoverse concept do not exist in Genshin.
When it talks about the universe in Genshin, it doesn’t say "part of the universe"—it just says "the universe" straight up. So why are some people so sure it’s currently a part of honkai?
I feel like Hoyo had plans for them being connected early on but changed their mind as time went on, which they do often.
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the 3 main things that make me skeptical of a connection is the existence of the abyss, the voyagers and the lack of imaginary walls.
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sinner scaling pmo, i hope those leaks that say we are going to face a being in the same range as Surtalogi are true.
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like, are these dudes Shade level or smt, though, Durin points out the possibility of bringing Columbina at her full powers but given the circumstances that could not happen...
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Current sinners should bare minimum be shade level or higher.
As catalysm era can already shake the laws of the world and negate Ronova curse which operates at the level of the worlds fate
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on the subreddit or twitter?
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In my view, those three realms are three distinct universes; the Abyss and the Light have been in conflict from the very beginning.
Meanwhile, the Human Realm is the universe currently on the brink of destruction at the hands of the Abyss, and Phanes was born and attempted to create a new Human Realm.
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In Wind Glider it is also explained that the abyss is infinite darkness, while the light realm is light that engulfs the universe.
Maybe Teyvat may be just one of the worlds blessed by the realm of light, but it is not the source of that power itself; Phanes and the gods can also wield the power of the realm of light, and Phanes can even transmute that power into elemental energy compatible with the human realm he sought to create.
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The light realm isn’t limited to Teyvat or at least its influence isn’t
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The void realm appeared when the universes fate was severed. So maybe the lights realm it’s opposite is also linked to the universes fate in some way.
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wtf are those, i only know telegram
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Nope, since no Archon scales directly to Venti
He was litterally going to dive nuke in his way
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What did we learn today?
Durin>Venti/Dvalin >Post Nod Krai Traveler > Skirk Training veler > Pyro Traveler = Archon tiers (Capitano, Mavuika, Varka, Ei)
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Yet if they bring her, paimon implies it would be of no use against 10% Rerir...
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That's literally a prime Archon with an Authority. Think of like Mavuika or Raiden now.
That's literally a self-defense because Dvalin's huge body was going to hit him. That's an LS feat at best.
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They dont scale to Venti, because the goat has upscale all their feats + there not a single statment of relativity unless u wanna go with "EMmm actually he is the weakest because he said so" even do we can barely trust his ahh
U said Dvalin wasnt trying to attack
But to be self defense u need to be attacked
Btw cant be LS since dvalin doesnt move an inch
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So wtf was this whole "Archon level" for? Archon like Barbatos in his prime was empowered by his authority. Comparing prime Archons with their respective Authorities is far more reasonable than assuming one is vastly stronger without explicit evidence like direct statement "Barbatos is slightly stronger than the rest of the Archons."
At the end of the day, that's just an assumption without explicit evidence him being vastly stronger than other Archons, because that's what an Archons with their Authorities can do.
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We litterally have 2 feats of them going against stronger than Archon foes
One being Ursa and the other Traveler Current, and Current Traveler has already surpass Archon lvl, since he was at said lvl like 1 year and half
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Archon lvls are strange asf, u have Xbalanque and Venti which are stronger than even Post Natlan Traveler (Archon lvl), some weaker than even Dendro Traveler (Focalors, Nahida, Makoto, Egeria ig?), and the comparable to Pyro Traveler and consistenly stated to have almost equal stats (Zhongli, Mavuika, Ei)
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Venti's feat is just an upscale for the rest of the Archons with their Authorities, like really. That's not a direct evidence of him being above the rest of the Archons. Yes, logically he above the rest of the Archons by fighting Ursa, but again that's our perspective without a direct statement from the game like "He fought Ursa = therefore he stronger than the rest of the Archons" canonically wise.
It's best to put them at least comparable with their respective authorities because Venti got empowered by his own authority to fight Ursa.
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