Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Nonynho]

as someone that can't see tweets, i imagine that cyclops-cat with a kirara underwear lol

 

[Sus]

as someone that can't see tweets, i imagine that cyclops-cat with a kirara underwear lol

its basically the 10 shadows having a conference and maho says "where tf is tiger"

 

[Duedate8898]

Who here is working on getting the profiles in order and where might these discussions be happening?

 

[Nonynho]

Who here is working on getting the profiles in order and where might these discussions be happening?

so far, i know @Arkenis said to have some things in the works and i presented myself to help implement
but i don't know anybody else working on it

 

[Duedate8898]

How fun, Arkenis mentioned a separate group of supporters working on on discord so I was hoping that group might have some presence on this thread.

 

[Nonynho]

I was hoping that group might have some presence on this thread.

at least not to my knowledge :T

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Who here is working on getting the profiles in order and where might these discussions be happening?

I know Sus has a Mahoraga CRT in the works but aside from that I'm drawing a blank.

 

[Duedate8898]

Cool, well I announce this here: I've been working on getting scaling for AP and Speed set for most characters for the last week or so. I am looking for someone or someones to help find all our valid calcs so I can start working on values people are scaling to soon.

 

[Nonynho]

Cool, well I announce this here: I've been working on getting scaling for AP and Speed set for most characters for the last week or so. I am looking for someone or someones to help find all our valid calcs so I can start working on values people are scaling to soon.

dunno much about calcs, but in whatever else needed like implementing, count on me!

 

[Sus]

I know Sus has a Mahoraga CRT in the works but aside from that I'm drawing a blank.

tbf i will probably not make a crt since it will be covered in the overhaul anyway

i will finish the adaptation thread tho

 

[Sus]

anyone who scales jjk above sonic speed (for non god tiers)

 

[Mommyleona]

Who here is working on getting the profiles in order and where might these discussions be happening?

@Rodriiogo

Cool, well I announce this here: I've been working on getting scaling for AP and Speed set for most characters for the last week or so. I am looking for someone or someones to help find all our valid calcs so I can start working on values people are scaling to soon.

Rodri has been working on AP scaling, he should really speak up in this thread

 

[WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces]

because flames and slashes are different, dismantle allowed him to adapt to cleave and all slashing

flame (if he survived) would allow him to adapt to all flame type attacks

The divine flame is a layer beyond the cleaves and dismantles, which all three are part of the same ability: shrine. The point here being that Mahoraga doesn't auto get adaptation to the different "layers" of the same abilities because those different "layers" are different.

 

[Rodriiogo]

How fun, Arkenis mentioned a separate group of supporters working on on discord so I was hoping that group might have some presence on this thread.

Apologies, I should have been talking more here

As Leona said I've been working on the AP blog for the verse and some profiles, tho I am unsure since some calculations still need to be spoken about, evaluated etc.

 

[Sus]

The divine flame is a layer beyond the cleaves and dismantles, which all three are part of the same ability: shrine. The point here being that Mahoraga doesn't auto get adaptation to the different "layers" of the same abilities because those different "layers" are different.

this isn't even what was being argued here...

 

[WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces]

this isn't even what was being argued here...

It was what I was responding with to the initial comment though.

 

[Sus]

"a layer beyond cleave"
this is made up, nowhere mentioned in the manga, what does it even mean?

mahoraga doesn't "auto adapt" to a cursed technique he adapts to similar phenomena

he got hit by dismantle

what you thought happens: he adapts to the entire technique, this is wrong and no one was arguing it happens
(at least not immediately, thanks for dabura)

what happens is that he adapts to all slashes be from sukuna or someone else

why didn't he adapt to flames? because its inherently not a slash, and maho hasn't experienced anything similar to it

its irrelevant if the same technique has both slashes and flames, adaptation simply doesn't work like this


what layer we were talking about is invisiblity
dismantle is 2 layers of invisibility, maho adapts to see it

nothing such as "flames are a layer above cleave"

 

[Sus]

in short

character A has both fire and ice
it hits maho with ice, he will not adapt to the fire, despite it being from the same character

character B has ice
maho will not be affected by its ice despite never getting hit by it

maho adapts to the ice not the character

 

[Sus]

he will not adapt to the fire

not until circa 6-7 spins

 

[Sus]

 

[JnSteHar002]

anyone who scales jjk above sonic speed (for non god tiers)

You know, I think we can agree; non god tiers peak at massively hyper-sonic +

 

[Duedate8898]

Apologies, I should have been talking more here

As Leona said I've been working on the AP blog for the verse and some profiles, tho I am unsure since some calculations still need to be spoken about, evaluated etc.

Cool, I'll dm you in a bit. Want to see what you got going and what're you're using

 

[GodEarh206]

Void Hunter 2.0 BREAK THE SKY!! (Shunguang vs Takako) 0-0-0

Ye Shunguang vs Takako Uro Rule: • SBA was applied • Shunguang in her "White Haired Form" • Distance is 20m • Battle took in Tokyo • Speed was Equalized Xiaoguang: Break The Sky: Makima Solos Both (Incon):

vsbattles.com

 

[Sus]

You know, I think we can agree; non god tiers peak at massively hyper-sonic +

i mean yeah jjk is not a fast verse
im fine with the sub rel ratings tho

 

[Sus]

You know, I think we can agree; non god tiers peak at massively hyper-sonic +

nvm read it wrong

who do you think is MHS+?

 

[Sus]

how would anyone outside of the top 5 survive true sphere + domain? its easily > purple and WCS
black hole also needs a long setup most characters will prevent without a distraction, so i wouldnt put it at 1

 

[LIGHTYW]

how would anyone outside of the top 5 survive true sphere + domain? its easily > purple and WCS
black hole also needs a long setup most characters will prevent without a distraction, so i wouldnt put it at 1

ISNT WCS DURA NEG? + PEAK OUTPUT 20F WITH WCS WOULD JUST ONESHOT EVERYONE AS NOBODY CAN KEEP UP WITH IT

AND JOGO'S METEOR CAN HURT 15F SO ITS DEF ABOVE UZUMAKI

LIGHTNING DISCHARGE SHOULD BE HERE TOO.

AND WHY IS UNLIMITED PURPLE ABOVE THAT 200% ONE

 

[Sus]

ISNT WCS DURA NEG? + PEAK OUTPUT 20F WITH WCS WOULD JUST ONESHOT EVERYONE AS NOBODY CAN KEEP UP WITH IT

it is dura neg but certain characters can dodge it by sensing the spark

AND JOGO'S METEOR CAN HURT 15F SO ITS DEF ABOVE UZUMAKI

i agree

LIGHTNING DISCHARGE SHOULD BE HERE TOO.

ngl yes it should

AND WHY IS UNLIMITED PURPLE ABOVE THAT 200% ONE

3 lighty good takes in a row wow

 

[WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces]

"a layer beyond cleave"
this is made up, nowhere mentioned in the manga, what does it even mean?

mahoraga doesn't "auto adapt" to a cursed technique he adapts to similar phenomena

he got hit by dismantle

what you thought happens: he adapts to the entire technique, this is wrong and no one was arguing it happens
(at least not immediately, thanks for dabura)

what happens is that he adapts to all slashes be from sukuna or someone else

why didn't he adapt to flames? because its inherently not a slash, and maho hasn't experienced anything similar to it

its irrelevant if the same technique has both slashes and flames, adaptation simply doesn't work like this


what layer we were talking about is invisiblity
dismantle is 2 layers of invisibility, maho adapts to see it

nothing such as "flames are a layer above cleave"

Invisibility is not a different layer it's just a binding vow or whatever.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

how would anyone outside of the top 5 survive true sphere + domain? its easily > purple and WCS
black hole also needs a long setup most characters will prevent without a distraction, so i wouldnt put it at 1

Pure Love Beam made it onto the list, but not Granite Blast? Not to mention Uraume's Cursed Technique, which also has great AoE and durability negation. Jacob's Ladder is only really strong against incarnated sorcerers, lol. Btw, you're saying no one can survive Domain Expansion + True Sphere, but by that logic, who other than the top five can survive Hollow Purple or WCS? Hollow Purple can't really be countered by any high-tier characters anyway. The same goes for World Cutting Slash—it can't be dodged when Sukuna is in good condition. Heck, Sukuna literally told Kashimo to dodge it, and Maki managed to dodge that attack from a much weaker version of Sukuna.

If we go by pure AP True sphere > HP but HP doesn't need a domain to cover larger space and its build up doesn't tire user put.
But WCS is dura neg. So depending on what you consider a strong attack you can swap places.

 

[Sus]

Invisibility is not a different layer it's just a binding vow or whatever.

1-it isn't, the technique is "sending invisible slashes", sukuna didn't make a binding vow thats a headcanon

also even if it is a BV its still layered??? wdym

2-sorcerers can see curses that are otherwise invisible
yet cant see sukunas slashes

this is layered invisibility by definition

certain characters (maki and maho) can see those slashes by explicitly having better senses and bodies

this is having layered extrasensory perception by definition

 

[Sus]

what happened against sukuna:
by being a shikigami, mahoraga already had the senses to see curses, but couldn't see dismantle

got hit by it, adapted, started seeing them

mahoraga increased his perception, there is literally no other interpretation

 

[Sus]

Pure Love Beam made it onto the list, but not Granite Blast? Not to mention Uraume's Cursed Technique, which also has great AoE and durability negation. Jacob's Ladder is only really strong against incarnated sorcerers, lol. Btw, you're saying no one can survive Domain Expansion + True Sphere, but by that logic, who other than the top five can survive Hollow Purple or WCS? Hollow Purple can't really be countered by any high-tier characters anyway. The same goes for World Cutting Slash—it can't be dodged when Sukuna is in good condition. Heck, Sukuna literally told Kashimo to dodge it, and Maki managed to dodge that attack from a much weaker version of Sukuna.

If we go by pure AP True sphere > HP but HP doesn't need a domain to cover larger space and its build up doesn't tire user put.
But WCS is dura neg. So depending on what you consider a strong attack you can swap places.

thats fair, i would still not put black hole above HP TS or WCS

above divine flame... maybeeee, it does need a whole setup

 

[Nonynho]

how would anyone outside of the top 5 survive true sphere + domain?

Hakari wins the domain clash and then the true sphere is not accompanied by a sure-hit effect
And then he blocks it with a door or something while dodges

lmfao i was searching for a gif and i found this wtfffffff

 

[Sus]

Hakari wins the domain clash

yorozu is not this dumb and his domain spills the information for her to know not to clash, and even if she did clash he aint winning immediately

and then the true sphere is not accompanied by a sure-hit effect

if she loses her domain the sphere would collapse due to burnout

And then he blocks it with a door or something while dodges

quit the greens bro

 

[Nonynho]

yorozu is not this dumb and his domain spills the information for her to know not to clash

that is not at all true
we saw in Gojo vs Sukuna (and i think wouldn't be unreasonable to suppose other domain clashes spoke about it) but sure-hit effects cancel each other in domain clashes

So she won't be given the knowledge about how Private Pure Love Train works until he wins the domain clash.

and even if she did clash he aint winning immediately

And the sphere won't be given any sure-hit effect, so he won't be hit by it lol

if she loses her domain the sphere would collapse due to burnout

quit the greens bro

Please do forgive me for forgetting that bum ass fight lol

 

[Sus]

that is not at all true
we saw in Gojo vs Sukuna (and i think wouldn't be unreasonable to suppose other domain clashes spoke about it) but sure-hit effects cancel each other in domain clashes

So she won't be given the knowledge about how Private Pure Love Train works until he wins the domain clash.

0.2s domain

im not interested in hakari match ups because his only "wincon" is "lol u cant kill me"

 

[Nonynho]

im not interested in hakari match ups because his only "wincon" is "lol u cant kill me"

i think it was less than 2 weeks ago where you said "i only push Makora's agenda" who's literally the exact same thing lol

 

[Sus]

i think it was less than 2 weeks ago where you said "i only push Makora's agenda" who's literally the exact same thing lol

i don't remember saying that

plus even if, makora has offensive capabilities
and i confidently understand adaptation better than alot of yall

 

[Sus]

now u mention it, i love how the 2 initial conditions of adaptation eventually omit eachother

enough time omits the need for exposure
enough exposure shortens the time

the true weaknesses of adaptation i think are:
1- being strictly applied to only makora, thus being unable to permanently affect others
2- being reset between users
3- the entirety of the 10 shadows technique being rendered useless if (tamed) makora dies

2 and 3 are irrelevant in combat