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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

Metal was LITERALLY the closest he could be to a living thing... and "trying so hard"? Dude... he said it once then went "Ok imma woop your ass"

People are stuck in, like, issue 16 or something
A thing that wants to replace Sonic, he already had the will in Heroes, and the first thing he did was becoming a better Sonic(add riders with him change the plans to beat Sonic).

Hey sonic try (in the future) to change Metal Mind about leaving Eggman (the guy who programmes him, to be the best sonic) is him trying hard knowning metal is stubborn about it.
 
Thats a bit different thing. They have written themselves into corner by admitting Eggman is horrible person who cant even properly be prisoned. No matter how moral it is, Sonic not doing more to stop Eggman is really awkward story wise ya know? The guy shattered planet to create a theme park. And worst of all, he isnt even sorry about it.
As long as he doesn't go to his face and says it "Be good dude" I will be fine with it, i do see your point tho
 
Gemerl and Emerl have... nothing alike with eachother, at all, no personality, no motivation... i don't even think Gemerl knows who Emerl even is
Gemerl still has the Emerl data, it won't matter how much different their personality, motivation, they live for tomorrow and staying with love one's is a good arc. Even better, Gemerl not knowing who's Emerl/gizoid's is, means he's following life other dreams for.
 
Gemerl still has the Emerl data, it won't matter how much different their personality, motivation, they live for tomorrow and staying with love one's is a good arc. Even better, Gemerl not knowing who's Emerl/gizoid's is, means he's following life other dreams for.
But it also means we have no evidence Emerl's personality has aby say in Gemerl's decisions
 
Sonic immediatly trusting Knuckles, Silver, and Shadow after a single "I changed my mind" out of them... he is trusting, remember how he didn't destroy Metal in Heroes?
Those people weren't actively trying to kill him when they proved they changed their mind. Sonic's trusting, but TOO trusting? Especially coming from Knuckles? That's a lil silly. Also Metal Sonic he literally acknowledges Metal would come back to fight him again.
Dunno why people hate a heroic side that was there since Sonic 1 and CD, sorry if Sonic isn't a mass murderer and is actually a good person
Nobody is saying they hate Sonic having a heroic side and wants him to be a mass murderer. There's a balance that can be struck, you can have Sonic acknowledge there will be people like him who will never change and have him kill some of his foes, but you can also have the opposite where he can see people who have a sympathetic side and have the capacity for change, perhaps realize there was a misunderstanding somewhere, and want to save them.
 
But it also means we have no evidence Emerl's personality has aby say in Gemerl's decisions
Nah The proof is there, Gemerl living with cream and vanilla house, instead of running around trying to find his identity and goals in life (type of shadow 05), he's living in peace with his love one's, like I said him unknown following a foot steps they don't know about is 10x better.
 
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Those people weren't actively trying to kill him when they proved they changed their mind.
Shadow and Silver DEF were in his perspective

Sonic's trusting, but TOO trusting? Especially coming from Knuckles? That's a lil silly.
From Knuckles in specific? Yeah

Nobody is saying they hate Sonic having a heroic side and wants him to be a mass murderer. There's a balance that can be struck, you can have Sonic acknowledge there will be people like him who will never change and have him kill some of his foes, but you can also have the opposite where he can see people who have a sympathetic side and have the capacity for change, perhaps realize there was a misunderstanding somewhere, and want to save them.
"Ask not what others can do for you, but what you can do for others." my interpretation of this is "I will try to help someone else whenever I can", aka, many of situations people find "out of character" that are just him... trying to help someone else, are perfectly in character with what I know about Sonic's... well, character

Nah The proof is there, Gemerl living with cream and vanilla house, instead of running around trying to find his identity and goals in life (type of shadow 05), he's living in peace with his love one's, like I said him unknown following a foot steps they don't know about is 10x better.
Tails reprogrammed him at their house, there is 0 evidence that he choose to stay there cuz of an Emerl influence
 
Shadow and Silver DEF were in his perspective
you forgot my "when they proved they changed their mind." Shadow held off the Biolizard here, Silver helped out Sonic telling him things have changed and he wants to help save Elise. Sonic even went "what's gotten into you vro." In Sonic's perspective they were not trying to kill him here lol
"Ask not what others can do for you, but what you can do for others." my interpretation of this is "I will try to help someone else whenever I can", aka, many of situations people find "out of character" that are just him... trying to help someone else, are perfectly in character with what I know about Sonic's... well, character
That line still works with Sonic realizing some people don't change and being willing to kill if need be. Plus, the issues people may have with him trying to help someone could just boil down to execution of how he does it. Again, nobody is saying that Sonic should be a mass murderer who refuses to help people
 
Tails reprogrammed him at their house, there is 0 evidence that he choose to stay there cuz of an Emerl influence
In there house?, wasn't that in his workshop?, mostly to erase rampage version whenever he learn everything. which wouldn't refute Gemerl instead of find his identity and either travel alone or destroy Eggman, he chooses to live peacefully life.
 
The End is a fraud just saying random crap and there's TOTALLY no backing for its strength whatsoever
Ik this is a joke but in all seriousness I think The End has a very strong case for being > everyone else. Not only did it ONE TAP a on guard Modern Super Sonic, it straight up says it'll consume everything. Plus if you use the Final Horizons DLC (which I personally do), Sonic straight up says he's going ALL OUT and using not only the full power of the Chaos Emeralds but also his Cyber Corruption and EVEN THEN he needed to be fired out of a giant railgun to gain enough speed to just barely defeat The End. This is the only case in the history of the games where a transformation BEYOND Super Sonic is needed. Super Sonic was even visibly damaged at the end (hehe).
 
Ik this is a joke but in all seriousness I think The End has a very strong case for being > everyone else. Not only did it ONE TAP a on guard Modern Super Sonic, it straight up says it'll consume everything. Plus if you use the Final Horizons DLC (which I personally do), Sonic straight up says he's going ALL OUT and using not only the full power of the Chaos Emeralds but also his Cyber Corruption and EVEN THEN he needed to be fired out of a giant railgun to gain enough speed to just barely defeat The End. This is the only case in the history of the games where a transformation BEYOND Super Sonic is needed. Super Sonic was even visibly damaged at the end (hehe).
The Titans themselves also back up The End's claims, Tails himself doubts Super Sonic's ability against Knight despite knowing/witnessing his fights against Egg Salamander, Egg Wizard, Dark Gaia, and Time Eater. Sonic states he'll need the Chaos Emeralds and maybe a little bit of luck. So that means the Titans are at least comparable to previous bosses, especially taking into account Sonic's base strength growth and his Super growing alongside hiiIIIIIM I MEAN FRAUD FRAUD EGGMANS THE GOAT IGNORE EVERYTHING I SAID I WAS TROLLING PLEASE DONT KILL ME

(This message was sponsored by the Eggman Empire)
 
(SPOILERS FOR THE RECENT IDW COMIC) So about Metal's new transformation, that deserves a key on his page imo. What we thinking on the scaling?
 
Ik this is a joke but in all seriousness I think The End has a very strong case for being > everyone else. Not only did it ONE TAP a on guard Modern Super Sonic, it straight up says it'll consume everything. Plus if you use the Final Horizons DLC (which I personally do), Sonic straight up says he's going ALL OUT and using not only the full power of the Chaos Emeralds but also his Cyber Corruption and EVEN THEN he needed to be fired out of a giant railgun to gain enough speed to just barely defeat The End. This is the only case in the history of the games where a transformation BEYOND Super Sonic is needed. Super Sonic was even visibly damaged at the end (hehe).
Nah fake news, Flynn (the most consistent writer in the series), says the opposite, end is exaggerated and Dark Gaia level, let's ignore the end solo all the Titans (the strongest) who made super sonic struggle for once in the entire series (Eggman words), needed new form to even damage him, alongside weapons comparable to eclipse Canon couldn't kill it, yes we have to ignore them for sick of our authority Flynn (who says isn't WOG in bumblekast, and any media says the opposite are true).
 
(SPOILERS FOR THE RECENT IDW COMIC) So about Metal's new transformation, that deserves a key on his page imo. What we thinking on the scaling?
Going by this site, Metal's new form should be 2-C (12 universes, or just 2 sooner or later maybe, not that it matters much) due to fighting Classic Super Sonic. Primarily due to the Sonic Rush feat of the Sol Emeralds passively merging dimensions, and since Trip was featured making it take place after Superstars thus after Mania, it'll also use Super Sonic fighting Phantom King as this site accepts Egg Reverie's creation as a 2-C feat.
 
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On that note I do have a question, is Egg Reverie's creation treated as a low 2-C feat in of itself? Or is it mainly due to Null Space?
 
Hell, Sonic doesnt even need to want to kill either. Thats just edgy. He just shouldnt be so overly preachy and keep saying that "one day Eggman will turn up good". Thats the problem. This whole angle just shouldnt exist.
I wouldn't call being frustrated at Eggman after he SAW a good version of him just... poof away, "overly preachy"
 
By the way is anyone else slightly worried about IDW? Not in regards to if the comic will continue or anything but rather on if the buildup to issue #100 will be any good.

I'm asking because after reading the synopsis for issue #91 it's clearly also horror themed while the current issues are also horror themed but seem to be rehashing the plot structure from the Family Reunion arc too on top of that. So honestly I'm starting to get a little concerned that the buildup will start feeling like reheated leftovers after awhile if there isn't a pivot unlike the issue #50 buildup which was fantastic.
 
By the way is anyone else slightly worried about IDW? Not in regards to if the comic will continue or anything but rather on if the buildup to issue #100 will be any good.

I'm asking because after reading the synopsis for issue #91 it's clearly also horror themed while the current issues are also horror themed but seem to be rehashing the plot structure from the Family Reunion arc too on top of that. So honestly I'm starting to get a little concerned that the buildup will start feeling like reheated leftovers after awhile if there isn't a pivot unlike the issue #50 buildup which was fantastic.
I mean Im not worried... because IDW has been kinda like this for a while.

Ok yeah, they are overhyping issue 100. Unlikely to be that good. But Im sure it will be fine.
 
Isn't Null Space a dimensionless void? Creating that would scale nowhere so it'd be the former methinks.
it's also an infinite void capable of holding 3D matter, there also might be some kind of "something nothingness" considering the path Sonic and the Rookie can run on as well as the obstacles.
Funny to think it's the DC x Sonic crossover of all things that gave us that info.
tbf I feel like it was somewhat implied by Forces itself, closed off from all dimensions where nothing exists. Sonic X DC would assumingly just states it out loud
 
By the way is anyone else slightly worried about IDW? Not in regards to if the comic will continue or anything but rather on if the buildup to issue #100 will be any good.

I'm asking because after reading the synopsis for issue #91 it's clearly also horror themed while the current issues are also horror themed but seem to be rehashing the plot structure from the Family Reunion arc too on top of that. So honestly I'm starting to get a little concerned that the buildup will start feeling like reheated leftovers after awhile if there isn't a pivot unlike the issue #50 buildup which was fantastic.
How is it Reharshing? Curious, never heard that take yet
 
How is it Reharshing? Curious, never heard that take yet
A group goes to an isolated location Angel Island in this case while it was a cave in Holoska last time, the groups are separated through some circumstance Sonic being kind of dumb in the Family Reunion arc while in this arc its the storm and finally spooky stuff ensues that puts the cast in mortal peril (presumably in the case of the current issues).

It's not one-to-one but I think the general structure overlaps enough that it feels similar and will be similar unless the next issue throws some curveballs.
 
May have found a MFTL+ or just some kind of good speed feat in general in Team Sonic Racing.

The cars themselves are the most advanced cars Dodon Pa can create, Amy having seen nothing like it before and says it's "so fast it's scary," Tails alludes to Dodon Pa's tech as scary, though the latter was in response to sending invites through space and time. Eggman uses the Ultimate Energy Engine, said to be the fastest and most powerful engine in the universe, in his monster machine. The cars are able to beat Eggman's machine in the race. They could also plan and escape as the Death Egg was headed for the energy core. All this considered, this should upscale vehicles like Extreme Gear, perhaps the Tornado and Egg Mobile, but it might even be comparable to Dodon Pa's spaceship as the engine was the fastest and most powerful in the universe. And ofc characters such as Sonic and those comparable to him upscale due to being faster than Dodon Pa's cars as shown in Crossworlds.

Though if there's anything I missed let me know
 
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