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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

TheStinkeer said:
tbf IDW Sonic could've just seen Surge prepare to blast and pick up the shard ahead of time, still, Sonic could perceive a Cyan Laser approaching him and Surge could somewhat react to the Cyan Laser
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Well yeah that Colors feat is especially blatant and I believe makes FTL the bare minimum, fair on seeing her prepare the move though.
TheStinkeer said:
Sonic has ZERO feats putting him anywhere near Rel. He's an overrated fraud who always needs power that isn't his own and just about anyone could use and is only just barely supersonic. The only character in this franchise worth talking about is Eggman, who has many reliable feats and does his work all on his own

(This message was sponsored by the Eggman Empire)
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TRVTH NVKE
 
AyOgUyS said:
We still cool? No hard feelings hopefully?
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What? Absolutely NO hard feelings, dude :^)

I may share differing opinions but I'm not gonna belittle you for yours. Do I think MHS is way lower than I would reasonably put them at? Sure, but I also still think you're a cool dude regardless of scaling takes. No way am I gonna let a disagreement like that impact the dynamic between you and I lol, that is just plain childish.
 
ShakeResounding said:
What? Absolutely NO hard feelings, dude :^)

I may share differing opinions but I'm not gonna belittle you for yours. Do I think MHS is way lower than I would put them at? Sure, but I also still think you're a cool dude. No way am I gonna let a disagreement like that impact the dynamic between you and I lol, that is just plain childish.
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Yippe! :D

(For the record I'm not like one of the peeps who think FTL Sonic is like, completely out of the realm of possibility, I just think MHS is more consistent)
 
If FTL Sonic feels like a debate done to death, imagine a Immeasurable speed Sonic, the only valid thing you got is Generations and some argue is a hax, even when we got a explicity mention that it is a SPEED THING
 
Alexander said:
If FTL Sonic feels like a debate done to death, imagine a Immeasurable speed Sonic, the only valid thing you got is Generations and some argue is a hax, even when we got a explicity mention that it is a SPEED THING
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Ok I REALLY REALLY don't want to come off as having a huge anti-Sonic agenda (because I genuinely love the verse) but like "restoring space and time" with sheer speed is just straight up not possible to quantify (like, it'd be Unknown). Immeasurable Speed is like physical movement across all space-time, going everywhere and everywhen. Restoring space and time is...weird. I'm not sure how to treat the feat. I can get why people think its Immeasurable but personally I'm leaning on the opposition's side.
 
AyOgUyS said:
Ok I REALLY REALLY don't want to come off as having a huge anti-Sonic agenda (because I genuinely love the verse) but like "restoring space and time" with sheer speed is just straight up not possible to quantify (like, it'd be Unknown). Immeasurable Speed is like physical movement across all space-time, going everywhere and everywhen. Restoring space and time is...weird. I'm not sure how to treat the feat. I can get why people think its Immeasurable but personally I'm leaning on the opposition's side.
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If you restore space and time, in a place where neither of them exists, then logically, you should get immeasurable speed for the basis that you can move in the places where neither of those things exists and also restore them.
Like i can't even get to explain some of the reasoning into why people don't buy it.
"It is like transmutating a Cow with your speed" NO IT ISN'T, what kind of non-sensical non-example did you even use?
 
Alexander said:
If you restore space and time, in a place where neither of them exists, then logically, you should get immeasurable speed for the basis that you can move in the places where neither of those things exists and also restore them.
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I'm pretty sure moving in a timeless void doesn't qualify tho?
 
Read the new IDW anniversary issue and how would we get a calc on something because...there are some things there if anyone would like to find the issue.

Big plant. Like Naruto god tree levels of "big plant" if one panel is literal so easy tier six supporting feat.
TMaakkonen said:
Huh

Has IDW only used Super Sonic twice?
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As it turns out. The timing of your question is immaculate.
 
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Isn't this technically the first time Metal had a draw with Sonic, minus fights that were interrupted? Both ended up knocked out of their Super forms and both ended the fight in good condition.
 
It seems Fang joined the others in his group; honestly, I liked the idea of them abandoning him better after how he treated them, as shown in his miniseries.

I will also assume that he lost the warp topaz there when he lost his marvelous queen until he imminently regains his vehicle in his next appearance.

Putting aside my complaints about continuity, a good read
 
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Is there a reason why, sonic trying so hard making metal stop working with Eggman, known he will hunt him day and night until he becomes the better sonic.
 
TMaakkonen said:
well Omega and Gemerl became good so Metal has a chance?
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Pretty sure omega is there because he hate Eggman and only staying with team Dark more (allow him to be more destructive), Gemerl is Emerl successer, of course he's gonna create bond and live the life, Emerl thank sonic and shadow for. before becoming a mess muderd and self exploded.
 
Clockluckdoo said:
Is there a reason why, sonic trying so hard making metal stop working with Eggman,
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Current Sonic media wants Sonic to be a super redeemer type for some reason.
Now I'm not saying Sonic doesn't want to redeem his enemies, he quite literally wanted to save Chaos and didn't want to kill Merlina and gave her his "every world has its end" speech for example, but at the same time he was not doing whatever current Sonic is doing.
 
TMaakkonen said:
Is Redeemnic even written like that outside of IDW? :V
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afaik the closest we got is Frontiers with Sage, it's kinda fine imo but it probably could've been done better. No, this is not me inviting a rewrite in a future release

Especially when Knuckles goes "you're too trusting Sonic" ok Mr. "Eggman tricked me like 100 times"
 
TMaakkonen said:
Ofc its Ian huh lol
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Honestly I can't exactly hate Ian's writing for Sonic in Frontiers, Sonic's writing there is pretty hit-or-miss. I haven't fully played Frontiers in a bit so as I remember there's a lot more misses than hits for me, but when it hits, it HITS. My favorite thing Frontiers did was emphasize Sonic's determination and refusal to give up no matter. The one Cyber Corruption scene where Sage asked Sonic "how can you smile when you can barely stand?" with Sonic not even saying a word and just taking a breath and continuing to move forward was SO SO GOOD.
 
I like the individual character writing alot in Frontiers. The story isn't as strong as I would like, but "get this out by 2021" into 1 year delay and openworld game on the Switch 1 will do that to a game's development.
 
Hell, I like Ian's writing for most part. His Archie stuff was fun, Frontiers was fine and IDW is in general fine.

He just seems to write characters out of character and Sega just allows it. In that sense community has fractured slightly more. Its not bad necessarily, but its different. A lot of people here seem to have issues with IDW and yeah.

But its dumb because to any outsider, talking about Sonic characterization would likely be seen as stupid lol

I still think that roots of early western Sonic media and characterization has warped modern stuff. But ig its fine because stuff like SA2 Shadow was also written by newcomer and no one complains about that as much.
 
Clockluckdoo said:
Is there a reason why, sonic trying so hard making metal stop working with Eggman, known he will hunt him day and night until he becomes the better sonic.
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Metal was LITERALLY the closest he could be to a living thing... and "trying so hard"? Dude... he said it once then went "Ok imma woop your ass"

People are stuck in, like, issue 16 or something
 
Clockluckdoo said:
Pretty sure omega is there because he hate Eggman and only staying with team Dark more (allow him to be more destructive), Gemerl is Emerl successer, of course he's gonna create bond and live the life, Emerl thank sonic and shadow for. before becoming a mess muderd and self exploded.
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Gemerl and Emerl have... nothing alike with eachother, at all, no personality, no motivation... i don't even think Gemerl knows who Emerl even is
 
Pretty sure he said Eggman can come around in issue 84 was it :V

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Like... I do have a hunch why this is. They cant kill Eggman, duh. So why would Sonic not kill him? Have him hope he comes around. Its not that bad idea but frankly someone else said it long time ago, they really should not have written this. It will look dumb in next 8 years :V
 
TMaakkonen said:
Pretty sure he said Eggman can come around in issue 84 was it :V

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Like... I do have a hunch why this is. They cant kill Eggman, duh. So why would Sonic not kill him? Have him hope he comes around. Its not that bad idea but frankly someone else said it long time ago, they really should not have written this. It will look dumb in next 8 years :V
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Sonic is not trying to redeem him here? He only says that Sage's dynamic with him shows a "good" side of him... which is true? Eggman of all people having an actual emotional connection with someone
 
Dunno why people hate a heroic side that was there since Sonic 1 and CD, sorry if Sonic isn't a mass murderer and is actually a good person
 
Thats a bit different thing. They have written themselves into corner by admitting Eggman is horrible person who cant even properly be prisoned. No matter how moral it is, Sonic not doing more to stop Eggman is really awkward story wise ya know? The guy shattered planet to create a theme park. And worst of all, he isnt even sorry about it.
 
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