Lolimancer Vs Shadowmancer: Subaru Vs Sunless

[S33rz]

Subaru Vs Sunless

Vs

• Arc 5-8 Subaru & Beatrice used.
• Ascended Sunless key.
• Speed is equalized.
• SBA

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

i dont see a resistance to minya so its just Subaru using it and blitzing him, voting for him ig

 

[S33rz]

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i dont see a resistance to minya so its just Subaru using it and blitzing him, voting for him ig

Minya needs to hit, Sunless can hid within shadow's and has his own summons similar to Beatrice. Similarly Subaru doesn't resist sleep manipulation that Sunless can use with his summon.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

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Minya needs to hit, Sunless can hid within shadow's and has his own summons similar to Beatrice. Similarly Subaru doesn't resist sleep manipulation that Sunless can use with his summon.

Subaru retains his perception speed and magic is based on perception speed. That is 1 million times faster than his equalized opponent, sunless isnt hiding before he gets time stopped and shatters

 

[VortechsTG]

We've gotta start killing people for not using the Re:Zero Kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu tag.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

We've gotta start killing people for not using the Re:Zero Kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu tag.

i have already sent 10 billion zodda bugs to his location boss

 

[S33rz]

Subaru retains his perception speed and magic is based on perception speed. That is 1 million times faster than his equalized opponent, sunless isnt hiding before he gets time stopped and shatters

Sunless has kilometers range with SBA thus they start 4 kilometers apart, still far away enough to dodge. In addition Minya needs to travel.

He was able to travel between his own shadows no matter how far apart they were.
By now, he could control his shadows from as much as a couple of kilometers away. That meant that, if both were sent into opposite directions and reached the limit of the Shadow Control range, he could potentially instantly cover about four kilometers of distance in less than a second.

 

[S33rz]

We've gotta start killing people for not using the Re:Zero Kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu tag.

I've used the tag boss, please spare my life.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Sunless has kilometers range with SBA thus they start 4 kilometers apart, still far away enough to dodge. In addition Minya needs to travel.

Minya should also be at least sub-relativistic, otherwise, it wouldn't be capable of tagging the mid-tiers. You do have a point regarding the range advantage, but Subaru actually has a counter to the sleep hax. Between Beatrice, who can wake him up and cant be sleep hax'd and the poison pill concealed in his molar; which is triggered by his reactions and kills him before he can be incapacitated so sleep manip isn't a reliable win condition.

Once Subaru learns about the ability, the fight shifts heavily in his favor. Beatrice can simply cast Al Shamak, and without interdimensional range or a way to escape BFR, that's an immediate loss. Alternatively, she can teleport a Minya crystal directly onto him, bypassing the range issue altogether.

 

[S33rz]

Minya should also be at least sub-relativistic, otherwise, it wouldn't be capable of tagging the mid-tiers. You do have a point regarding the range advantage, but Subaru actually has a counter to the sleep hax. Between Beatrice and the poison pill concealed in his molar; which is triggered by his reactions and kills him before he can be incapacitated so sleep manip isn't a reliable win condition.

Once Subaru learns about the ability, the fight shifts heavily in his favor. Beatrice can simply cast Al Shamak, and without interdimensional range or a way to escape BFR, that's an immediate loss. Alternatively, she can teleport a Minya crystal directly onto him, bypassing the range issue altogether.

Sunless hides in shadow's cause he's a cautious MF.

Or he could surround himself in a solid shadow so so the transmutation affects the shadow shell instead of Sunless which is a tactic he has used before.

Also, Sunless actually has feats of perceiving being stuck in time loops cause of Sin of Solace. One win con of his would be to use Sin of Solace to drive both of them mad without killing them once he figures it out and he should be able to get there cause of his passive fate hax that gives him a bullshit intuition in addition to allowing improbable things happen to him.

This matchup is an actual discussion me thinks.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Sunless hides in shadow's cause he's a cautious MF.

so i just checked and i cannot find the sleep hax.

Or he could surround himself in a solid shadow so so the transmutation affects the shadow shell instead of Sunless which is a tactic he has used before.

no reason for him to do this and al shamak still works regardless

Also, Sunless actually has feats of perceiving being stuck in time loops cause of Sin of Solace.

he wouldn't experience the time loops, thats something only subaru can do.

One win con of his would be to use Sin of Solace to drive both of them mad without killing them once he figures it out

both resist madness hax, Subaru's resistance is layered even. He also isnt figuring out anything before he loses

and he should be able to get there cause of his passive fate hax that gives him a bullshit intuition in addition to allowing improbable things happen to him.

Subaru has straight up fate hax and he has dealt with people who's intuition allowed them to pull of incredible bs like always being correct no matter what.

This matchup is an actual discussion me thinks.

dont see it quite yet

 

[S33rz]

so i just checked and i cannot find the sleep hax.

Why are these profiles so bad.
This should be there under dream manipulation for Ascended Sunless shadow's (the one called Nightmare).

no reason for him to do this and al shamak still works regardless

It's a common tactic he's fond of using plus fate hax that makes him use it.

He has limited dimensional travel by falling asleep so he should be able to return to the battlefield.

he wouldn't experience the time loops, thats something only subaru can do.

He has the ability to perceive stuff like time loops despite them not being meant to be perceived, so he should still experience them. (What would this be indexed with?)

both resist madness hax, Subaru's resistance is layered even. He also isnt figuring out anything before he loses

Garbage profiles on the way once again, Sunless should have layers but it isn't there yet cause the physiology page ain't accepted yet.

Subaru has straight up fate hax and he has dealt with people who's intuition allowed them to pull of incredible bs like always being correct no matter what.

You're glazing the fate hax a bit, but yeah there are similar feats performed by Sunless.

dont see it quite yet

The vision is there.

 

[S33rz]

Okay, so I checked and i cannot find layers in regards to Subaru madness resistance or any kinda resistance actually.

 

[UrongSygn1]

He has the ability to perceive stuff like time loops despite them not being meant to be perceived, so he should still experience them. (What would this be indexed with?)

Wouldnt that wake up satella????

 

[S33rz]

Wouldnt that wake up satella????

SBA makes sure there's no outside interference as far as I know. Tho, if that wakes up Satella then I guess Sinny would decide to wake up Mad prince and then we can have the battle of strongest Yandere of history Vs Strongest Yandere of Today.

 

[Robo432343]

subaru stomps

 

[S33rz]

Shadow slave: Chapter 1403

His mind was utterly empty.

'These are the exact words she said when we first landed on the island. No, not just her words. Everything is exactly the same.'

He looked around again, noting every small detail of their surroundings. He was right — it was as if the last hour had never happened.

As if Sunny had returned to the past.

While it might take a while Sunless will eventually realize he is in a time loop.

In addition I'm not seeing anything that would stop his own wincons from working like madness hax, BFR is also not a wincon cause of his dimensional travel plus his shadows can fight by themselves even if he is sealed.

There's even some other stuff I forgot about like telepathy so he knows exactly what Subaru will do, making shadows tangible that will skewer Subaru from kilometers away, power copying with mirror of truth (not on his profile omg), or more simplistic stuff like wrapping his shadows around Saint giving her a big enough boost that she jumps into relativistic speeds and blitzes everyone.

 

[Seraphor12]

Doesn't sunny have Transcendent devil saint at this point in story? Since she is at that rank so she would be around High 6-A with Relativistic+ speed.

 

[Fezzih_007]

SBA makes sure there's no outside interference as far as I know.

Satella is probally a exception, since she is part of Subaru powers.

He has the ability to perceive stuff like time loops despite them not being meant to be perceived, so he should still experience them. (What would this be indexed with?)

Scans?

That's probally Acausality type 1?

 

[S33rz]

Doesn't sunny have Transcendent devil saint at this point in story? Since she is at that rank so she would be around High 6-A with Relativistic+ speed.

Is this with or without amps from shadow's.

Satella is probally a exception, since she is part of Subaru powers.

Outside Influence: None. No characters of either verse, aside from those participating in the battle, may influence the outcome of the battle in any way. That means they may not join the fight, grant buffs, create shields, provide information etc.

I'm not sure satella even acts such a way in verse tbh, how would she know Sunless is suddenly aware that Subaru has RBD, anyway it would get messy cause Sunless in this key has Mad prince in him which is very much a part of his powers (their the same person) if you're saying Satella is Subaru's. So sunless would jump up to a High 6A key i suppose.

Scans?

That's probally Acausality type 1?

Shadow slave: Chapter 1403

His mind was utterly empty.

'These are the exact words she said when we first landed on the island. No, not just her words. Everything is exactly the same.'

He looked around again, noting every small detail of their surroundings. He was right — it was as if the last hour had never happened.

As if Sunny had returned to the past.

His smile widened slightly, growing both darker and more sincere.

It was true.

Sunny might have lost to Undying Slaughter again, but he acquired something extremely valuable from that loss.

Looking around, he took in the sight of the swirling mist, white sand, and the black cliffs.

'So I'm back again…'

What he received was truly precious.

It was the knowledge that his strange return to the past was not a one-time thing.

Which meant that he was not done fighting.

His behavior up until now had been nothing short of embarrassing. Of course, there were extenuating circumstances. During his first… round?... Sunny had been barely conscious of the fact that time was repeating itself. During the second try, he was still reeling and in shock from dying gruesomely at the hands of Undying Slaughter.

But this was his third attempt — this time, he had to maintain his composure and not lose control.

'...No, not quite right.'

Who was to say that this attempt was his third? It was only the third attempt since he had become aware of the fact that everything was repeating itself. There was no telling how many times he had died before that.

While it usually takes him a while Sunless might discover it faster cause of Sin of solace and using telepathy to read Subaru's thoughts.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Outside Influence: None. No characters of either verse, aside from those participating in the battle, may influence the outcome of the battle in any way. That means they may not join the fight, grant buffs, create shields, provide information etc.

Exceptions are things like blessings, calling upon some higher entities' power for a spell, summoning familiars to battle for them, having another character as equipment, or more generally spoken the things which are listed on the profile as part of a character's own powers and abilities.

You cut the page explaining the exceptions

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Why are these profiles so bad.
This should be there under dream manipulation for Ascended Sunless shadow's (the one called Nightmare).


It's a common tactic he's fond of using plus fate hax that makes him use it.

the way its worded, would absolutely summon Satella dawg. Trying to directly interfere with his od (mind/soul) tends to do that and she has previously entered Echidna's castle of dreams.

He has limited dimensional travel by falling asleep so he should be able to return to the battlefield.


He has the ability to perceive stuff like time loops despite them not being meant to be perceived, so he should still experience them. (What would this be indexed with?)

Aldebaran had his own time looping ability, which he used but he still was not able to experience Subaru's looping. It did be Acausality type 1.

Garbage profiles on the way once again, Sunless should have layers but it isn't there yet cause the physiology page ain't accepted yet.

layers are a little more serious than sleep hax so i dont think i can accept that for this matchup before it gets accepted

You're glazing the fate hax a bit, but yeah there are similar feats performed by Sunless.

Highly doubt they are on the same level

Reinhard's intelligence is said to be normal, but his intuition is said to be incredible, so that even while taking a test he’ll get full marks from answering normally, even if it’s not multiple choice In strategic games like chess he is still the strongest, not because he is smart, but because he knows where to put his piece. Even in contests of luck, he will win because he knows the right answer.

Reinhard's abilities surpass those of the young Cecilus Segmunt, who by watching Al fight just a single time, was able to correctly guess that he possessed an Authority and what that Authority does through sheer intuition, and his intuition also correctly informed him that killing too many zombies would be a bad idea despite being unaware of their connection to the Stone

He not only located and killed the mastermind the Great Disaster before anyone knew what was even happening, he also then recognized that same enemy at a glance despite their appearance and soul changing, with him even noticing that their soul had changed.

Okay, so I checked and i cannot find layers in regards to Subaru madness resistance or any kinda resistance actually.

• Mind Manipulation & Soul Manipulation (Was unaffected by theWhite Whale's mental attacks.Damage to the soul, also damages the mind, as the mental has been equated to the spiritual)

• Madness Manipulation (Type 2; Witch Factor holders are unaffected by Witch's Miasma that can cause people to go insane.)

You might be right that Subaru doesn't have layers actually, i might have gotten that confused. However, he was able to stand in the presence of 6 witches, to put that into perspective, a single witch's miasma is enough to instantly turn people insane and make them kill themselves in less than 30 seconds. This happened to 30 people at once. His resistance is higher in potency than baseline.

Shadow slave: Chapter 1403

While it might take a while Sunless will eventually realize he is in a time loop.

In addition I'm not seeing anything that would stop his own wincons from working like madness hax, BFR is also not a wincon cause of his dimensional travel plus his shadows can fight by themselves even if he is sealed.

not on the profile + does not have interdimensional range + he did still need feats of coming back from a pocket dimension that is outside of the range of the normal universe

There's even some other stuff I forgot about like telepathy so he knows exactly what Subaru will do,

Beatrice can likely block this but it doesn't matter because Subaru's perception speed is 1 million times higher and he wouldn't be able to keep up at all, heck he would probably end up confusing himself from the sudden input of information and get mind haxed. Not to mention he could find out about rbd accidentally and end up summoning Satella

making shadows tangible that will skewer Subaru from kilometers away,

Subaru just rbds if this happens and EMMs to avoid it

power copying with mirror of truth (not on his profile omg),

so dont use it then

or more simplistic stuff like wrapping his shadows around Saint giving her a big enough boost that she jumps into relativistic speeds and blitzes everyone.

this would take longer than Subaru Al Shamaking him