Champion of Midgard: The Thor Odinson MegaCRT

[NaturalDestroyer]

I just updated the OP to remove the baby Thor shaking Yggdrasil feat as well as brought Nyx down to 1-A pending revisions on her page. Further justifications were added to Worthy Thor's 1-A section for fighting Sekhmet and Apep.

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

That's Doombot

Crumbling Galaxy is probably hyperbolic, judging from the context

Mentions of alternate realities means that it's more of a Multiversal Eternity feat
Celestials normally Low 1-A
Hell-Lords vary when outside of Hell, see Mephisto
For all scans he appears to be inferior to Zeus...
... and doesn't fight evenly against Odin at all.

Atum is 1-A. Being stronger than 1-A doesn't make one 1-A+
Onslaught is Low 1-A
Universal PF is 1-A

All justification scans in the OP have been updated accordingly

 

[ObberGobb]

In my opinion, I don't think removing the baby Thor feat is necessary. Like I think it's a good indication of his general godly strength, especially since there are many other feats at that level. It's not like we are making a baby Thor key at Low 1-A or anything.

 

[ObberGobb]

In my opinion though, I think the 1-A for non-Allfather Thor should just be completely removed

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

In my opinion though, I think the 1-A for non-Allfather Thor should just be completely removed

Would you propose moving the Phoenix, Eternity/Infinity, Stranger, infinite 1-A timelines, The Other, Chaos King, and various Yggdrasil feats to Low 1-A? I understand the lack of transcendent existence, but that's a lot of high-profile, story-relevant feats that shouldn't be ignored. Thor being part Utgard God would help explain the inconsistency anyway, given how Utgard Gods are capable of negging Oblivion's magic (Tiwaz) or transcending Multi-Eternity itself (Utgard-Loki)

 

[ObberGobb]

Would you propose moving the Phoenix, Eternity/Infinity, Stranger, infinite 1-A timelines, The Other, Chaos King, and various Yggdrasil feats to Low 1-A? I understand the lack of transcendent existence, but that's a lot of high-profile, story-relevant feats that shouldn't be ignored. Thor being part Utgard God would help explain the inconsistency anyway, given how Utgard Gods are capable of negging Oblivion's magic (Tiwaz) or transcending Multi-Eternity itself (Utgard-Loki)

Personally, I think the Other and Chaos King feats are huge outliers. For the others, Abstract M-Bodies vary anyway.

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

Personally, I think the Other and Chaos King feats are huge outliers. For the others, Abstract M-Bodies vary anyway.

I look at them as peak potential feats rather than outliers given his Elder God hybrid nature, which in-universe gives him some justification for being able to operate at abstract levels on occasion.

I suppose that'll need to be handled in its own thread. The 1-A vs Low 1-A question has much greater ramifications than just Thor, so I'd prefer to get the "who he scales to" updated on his profile before the possibility of a verse wide change to tier 1 characters.

 

[Entity]

Shouldn't Thor's last key be 1-A+ since in the justification you wrote that he's at the same level of Utgard Gods, who transcend Multi-Eternity?

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

Good point. I'll need to adjust that--the gap between 1-A and 1-A+ is fuzzy for me

 

[Xdsagecat]

1-A+ Thor? Incredible.

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

1-A+ Thor? Incredible.

That's what nine months of indexing 2300 issues gets ya

 

[Entity]

What's the justification for immeasurable speed?

 

[Antvasima]

Basically, we're voting on whether or not the keys should be split and the 3-C removed from Thor's profile. Some feats are still undergoing evaluation/revision but as far as I'm aware none of those revisions would affect the conclusion of the proposal. I don't believe any staff members have voted.

@Qawsedf234 @Firestorm808 @Elizio33 @Catzlaflame @Emirp sumitpo @LordTracer @Maverick_Zero_X @Elizhaa @DarkDragonMedeus @FinePoint @SamanPatou @Starter_Pack

Your help would be appreciated here.

 

[Antvasima]

Doesn't really explain the reasoning for High 3-A, especially when "a machine that could collapse infinite timelines into one" sounds like a Multiverse level+ feat.

Yes. I think that feat should be moved to a later, higher, tier for Thor.

So should we fix this quickly?

There is also this small issue that we mentioned in another thread.

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

There is also this small issue that we mentioned in another thread.

Yep! That is included as part of the OP by being moved to the 1-A section for peak Worthy Thor

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

What's the justification for immeasurable speed?

I think I might need to change that to infinite, as I've been informed that being able to fly between dimensions via sheer speed doesn't qualify for immeasurable

 

[Antvasima]

Yep! That is included as part of the OP by being moved to the 1-A section for peak Worthy Thor

Thank you for helping out.

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

Thank you for helping out.

Happy to! I've been working on this for nearly a year so I might as well do it right haha

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thanks again.

 

[JPTheGamer]

Yep! That is included as part of the OP by being moved to the 1-A section for peak Worthy Thor

There is also this small issue that we mentioned in another thread.

Yeah, I still don't see the justification on this rating for Thor or anyone else with it. What was the proposal for his base again?

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

Yeah, I still don't see the justification on this rating for Thor or anyone else with it. What was the proposal for his base again?

Just to make sure I understand your question, are you asking about the infinite timeline feat in particular or his Low 1-A/1-A peak?

 

[JPTheGamer]

Just to make sure I understand your question, are you asking about the infinite timeline feat in particular or his Low 1-A/1-A peak?

Both, I guess

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

Gotcha gotcha. No worries. Here's the proposed tiering for Base (Worthy) Thor, which includes the infinite timelines feat. I'd recommend reading the recent Mystic Cosmology blog for context on Low 1-A Asgard and Hell Realms.

"At least High Universe level (Defeated an eagle whose wings were the source of all wind in the Nine Realms. Held back against an amped Silver Surfer and easily destroyed his forcefield once he started taking it seriously, with Norrin shocked by his power. Wounded Thor fought evenly with post-Annihilation Silver Surfer, and an enraged Thor overpowered both Adam Warlock and pre-Annihilation Silver Surfer, including when Norrin was no longer holding back. Shook the heavens with the mightiest blow in a thousand eternities. Stomped bloodlusted future Gladiator when he stopped holding back, and oneshot Gabriel Air-Walker upon realizing he wasn't a living person. Capable of easily overpowering Hyperion once he begins to use more strength. Beta Ray Bill, who only has a portion of Thor's power, shook the universe in his fight against Stardust. Enraged Thor oneshot Power Gem Drax). Low Outerverse level (Created to surpass Odin by his very nature. Fought Zeus for months in a fight that felt like an instant, with Zeus stating that not all the Titans or gods of Olympus had resisted him so strongly, making Thor superior to Atlas who holds the Axis Mundi, the Greek version of Yggdrasil. Weakened Thor overpowered the cosmic storms surrounding Asgard. Created a storm that reached Earth from Asgard. Fought Millennius, who was stronger than Odin. Shook the Nine Realms while battling Jormungand. Odin felt it necessary to use the Destroyer Armor combined with the Odinsword to take down an enraged Thor. Caused more damage to Skyfather Hercules than the entire Council of Godheads. Fought Glory, a pantheon of ten thousand alien gods. His anger was felt across all the Nine Realms. Overpowers Perrikus, who defeated Odin. Repeatedly matched or defeated Mephisto in his own realm. Fought against Twilight Sword Hela and repeatedly matched or overpowered her base in her own realm, with Hela admitting she couldn't beat him. Punched through the torso of Onslaught with Franklin Richards' powers) to Outerverse level at peak or with God Blast (Far stronger than his Unworthy self, who could damage the Universal Phoenix. Fought evenly against bloodlusted Sekhmet, who Ra/Atum himself couldn't stop, and briefly fought and damaged Apep, who was the Elder God Set, and harmed Set in his own realm on another occasion. Enraged Thor was a grave danger to a large portion of universal Eternity and Infinity. Knocked out the Universal Phoenix with a strike from Mjolnir. The Stranger admitted that a bloodlusted Thor could be a problem for him. Four God Blasts temporarily held back the collapse of dimensional walls resulting from a mortal wound to Universal Eternity. Superior to enraged Eric Masterson and Dargo Ktor, whose clash fully powered a machine that could collapse infinite timelines. Absorbing Thor would "add immeasurably" to the power of the Other, who could match Scrier and fully-fed Galactus in a battle that would bring all of reality back to Oblivion. Multiversal Oblivion acknowledged Thor's power as impressive, describing it as "beyond comprehension". Blasted through Chaos King's torso with a lightning bolt. Overpowered the combined power of Yggdrasil and the World Engine, and all existence would have been destroyed if he'd failed, with Yggdrasil as the only entity strong enough to strip Doctor Strange of his powers, and even a fragment of Yggdrasil's power being more magic than Strange had ever felt before. Skurge being freed from Yggdrasil would free him from Eternity itself and destroy all creation in the process), Outerverse level with the Phoenix Force (Channeled the Phoenix Force to hold back the tide of the First Firmament, which would have consumed all of creation in an omniversal wave of destruction)"

 

[Entity]

Outerverse level with the Phoenix Force (Channeled the Phoenix Force to hold back the tide of the First Firmament, which would have consumed all of creation in an omniversal wave of destruction)"

isn't the omniverse outer+?

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

isn't the omniverse outer+?

Good catch! I just edited the OP to reflect that.

 

[ObberGobb]

I just don't think that it is consistent for this tier of character to be Outerversal. Like, generally, characters like Dormammu and Nightmare are referred to as higher dimensional, not beyond dimensional, and Thor is solidly below them. Like none of the characters who are capable of destroying realities show anything at all like qualitative superiority.

Now, Multiversal Abstracts and Uni Abstract True Forms do, but not Skyfather Tiers. This is also why I think the Multi Abstract Thor feats are enormous outliers. Thor absolutely does not have the level of transcendence over Skyfathers that Abstracts do.

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

I just don't think that it is consistent for this tier of character to be Outerversal. Like, generally, characters like Dormammu and Nightmare are referred to as higher dimensional, not beyond dimensional, and Thor is solidly below them. Like none of the characters who are capable of destroying realities show anything at all like qualitative superiority.

Now, Multiversal Abstracts and Uni Abstract True Forms do, but not Skyfather Tiers. This is also why I think the Multi Abstract Thor feats are enormous outliers. Thor absolutely does not have the level of transcendence over Skyfathers that Abstracts do.

I don't know that we're ever going to agree on this point, unfortunately, no matter how much we go back and forth, especially if you're referring to Allfather Thor. For example, the Utgard Elder Gods are narratively described as having allegory of the cave level transcendence/qualitative superiority over Asgardian gods, and he's able to go toe to toe with multiple of them throughout Immortal Thor. I don't think it's reasonable to call that an outlier when he's able to battle Toranos, Kemur, NRGL, and Mejed, even if he was inferior to the first two. Plus there's the fact that Thor is descended from Tiwaz, who's implied to be equal to all of Utgard's gods combined, and Gaea, whose power was what enabled Hercules to fight on decently even footing with Chaos King, a Multi-Eternity-level threat. The mechanism is there, and it happens far too often for me to be remotely comfortable regarding it as an outlier especially when Thor battling foes on that level is a crucial core of the story.

 

[ObberGobb]

I don't know that we're ever going to agree on this point, unfortunately, no matter how much we go back and forth, especially if you're referring to Allfather Thor. For example, the Utgard Elder Gods are narratively described as having allegory of the cave level transcendence/qualitative superiority over Asgardian gods, and he's able to go toe to toe with multiple of them throughout Immortal Thor. I don't think it's reasonable to call that an outlier when he's able to battle Toranos, Kemur, NRGL, and Mejed, even if he was inferior to the first two. Plus there's the fact that Thor is descended from Tiwaz, who's implied to be equal to all of Utgard's gods combined, and Gaea, whose power was what enabled Hercules to fight on decently even footing with Chaos King, a Multi-Eternity-level threat. The mechanism is there, and it happens far too often for me to be remotely comfortable regarding it as an outlier especially when Thor battling foes on that level is a crucial core of the story.

All-Father Thor is one thing, I'm not disputing 1-A for that key. Only for base Thor. Thor being descended from Elder Gods doesn't really mean anything because that doesn't change the fact that Thor has never displayed qualitative superiority to anyone, much less beings like Galactus, Odin, Dormammu, etc. Like we aren't talking about the kind of power gap Thor has shown over Silver Surfer. This would mean that Thor is so much more powerful than Celestials that they don't even exist relative to him.

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

All-Father Thor is one thing, I'm not disputing 1-A for that key. Only for base Thor. Thor being descended from Elder Gods doesn't really mean anything because that doesn't change the fact that Thor has never displayed qualitative superiority to anyone, much less beings like Galactus, Odin, Dormammu, etc. Like we aren't talking about the kind of power gap Thor has shown over Silver Surfer. This would mean that Thor is so much more powerful than Celestials that they don't even exist relative to him.

I understand better what you mean, particularly about the qualitative superiority. Thank you for clarifying. My problem is that Thor's narrative per the intent and plan of Odin (according to Gaea) is to far surpass Odin and any others of his kind by virtue of being part Elder God in addition to having ties to both Earth and Asgard, so I really don't see his 1-A showings as outliers, more him fulfilling the purpose he was designed for in-universe and should be capable of via his heritage: a god among gods when at his fullest potential, if you will, like when he resisted the absorption of Demogorge and killed it from the inside when it was a version whose power was explicitly compared to Eternity by Matt Fraction.

I definitely respect your research and argument, and I don't think either of us are approaching this from a place of ignorance. We're likely two of the people on the wiki who know the most about these characters and it's coming down to just how we view certain split-hair parts of it (and note that I genuinely appreciate the feedback you're providing). I just think ultimately even base Thor has too many 1-A showings to simply wave away as outliers. If we disagree on that without a method of compromise, I could change the proposal to "Low 1-A at peak" to keep the peace and make sure the thread progresses although I stress that I don't agree with that ceiling showings-wise.

All-Father Thor is one thing, I'm not disputing 1-A for that key. Only for base Thor. Thor being descended from Elder Gods doesn't really mean anything because that doesn't change the fact that Thor has never displayed qualitative superiority to anyone, much less beings like Galactus, Odin, Dormammu, etc. Like we aren't talking about the kind of power gap Thor has shown over Silver Surfer. This would mean that Thor is so much more powerful than Celestials that they don't even exist relative to him.

 

[ObberGobb]

My problem is that Thor's narrative per the intent and plan of Odin (according to Gaea) is to far surpass Odin and any others of his kind by virtue of being part Elder God in addition to having ties to both Earth and Asgard, so I really don't see his 1-A showings as outliers, more him fulfilling the purpose he was designed for in-universe and should be capable of via his heritage: a god among gods when at his fullest potential, if you will, like when he resisted the absorption of Demogorge and killed it from the inside when it was a version whose power was explicitly compared to Eternity by Matt Fraction.

I think that his potential to surpass Odin is moreso about All-Father Thor. Like he hasn't yet, but when he ascends to being All-Father he will have surpassed Odin. As for the Demogorge, that is a good feat, but it's always very situational. Its always exploiting a very specific weakness. Like when he fought the Demogorge for the first time, it was his immense willpower than helped him win, not his actual power. And the Demogorge said that it wasn't time for Thor to die, and that is why he couldn't consume Thor.

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

I think that his potential to surpass Odin is moreso about All-Father Thor. Like he hasn't yet, but when he ascends to being All-Father he will have surpassed Odin. As for the Demogorge, that is a good feat, but it's always very situational. Its always exploiting a very specific weakness. Like when he fought the Demogorge for the first time, it was his immense willpower than helped him win, not his actual power. And the Demogorge said that it wasn't time for Thor to die, and that is why he couldn't consume Thor.

I wish that Marvel would provide more solid Varies mechanics so things like this wouldn't give us headaches lol. I can add a different version of the proposal to the OP for when it's time to vote, so that way staff and other knowledgeable members can see the different viewpoints and decide.

Option 1: Worthy Thor has "Low 1-A to 1-A" at peak and retains the proposed justifications

Option 2: Worthy Thor has "Low 1-A at peak" and his various 1-A showings are removed

Option 3: Worthy Thor has "Low 1-A at peak, possibly up to 1-A" and retains the proposed justifications with a disclaimer regarding qualitative superiority

 

[ObberGobb]

I wish that Marvel would provide more solid Varies mechanics so things like this wouldn't give us headaches lol. I can add a different version of the proposal to the OP for when it's time to vote, so that way staff and other knowledgeable members can see the different viewpoints and decide.

Option 1: Worthy Thor has "Low 1-A to 1-A" at peak and retains the proposed justifications

Option 2: Worthy Thor has "Low 1-A at peak" and his various 1-A showings are removed

Option 3: Worthy Thor has "Low 1-A at peak, possibly up to 1-A" and retains the proposed justifications with a disclaimer regarding qualitative superiority

Personally I am very strongly leaning towards option 2. I think the Low 1-A feats are all consistent, and more importantly are all strong feats on their own. The 1-A feats are imo inconsistent and also just each kinda weak.

But yeah I really wish there was some better varies mechanic Thor had. Like just one statement like "Thor's powers are greatly diminished in mortal planes" or "Thor is stronger when he fights mystical or godly beings" would solve so much.

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

Personally I am very strongly leaning towards option 2. I think the Low 1-A feats are all consistent, and more importantly are all strong feats on their own. The 1-A feats are imo inconsistent and also just each kinda weak.

But yeah I really wish there was some better varies mechanic Thor had. Like just one statement like "Thor's powers are greatly diminished in mortal planes" or "Thor is stronger when he fights mystical or godly beings" would solve so much.

I'll do some more digging through my Varies scans and statements and see if we can't rectify the contradiction that way. Might take a bit. If I can't find anything good then I'll add the vote to the OP as part of the proposal

 

[ObberGobb]

I'll do some more digging through my Varies scans and statements and see if we can't rectify the contradiction that way. Might take a bit. If I can't find anything good then I'll add the vote to the OP as part of the proposal

We have a TON of stuff about holding back, but if we were able to find stuff about gods in general having varying power that would be very helpful.

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

We have a TON of stuff about holding back, but if we were able to find stuff about gods in general having varying power that would be very helpful.

I'll focus on digging for that

 

[Antvasima]

Gotcha gotcha. No worries. Here's the proposed tiering for Base (Worthy) Thor, which includes the infinite timelines feat. I'd recommend reading the recent Mystic Cosmology blog for context on Low 1-A Asgard and Hell Realms.

"At least High Universe level (Defeated an eagle whose wings were the source of all wind in the Nine Realms. Held back against an amped Silver Surfer and easily destroyed his forcefield once he started taking it seriously, with Norrin shocked by his power. Wounded Thor fought evenly with post-Annihilation Silver Surfer, and an enraged Thor overpowered both Adam Warlock and pre-Annihilation Silver Surfer, including when Norrin was no longer holding back. Shook the heavens with the mightiest blow in a thousand eternities. Stomped bloodlusted future Gladiator when he stopped holding back, and oneshot Gabriel Air-Walker upon realizing he wasn't a living person. Capable of easily overpowering Hyperion once he begins to use more strength. Beta Ray Bill, who only has a portion of Thor's power, shook the universe in his fight against Stardust. Enraged Thor oneshot Power Gem Drax). Low Outerverse level (Created to surpass Odin by his very nature. Fought Zeus for months in a fight that felt like an instant, with Zeus stating that not all the Titans or gods of Olympus had resisted him so strongly, making Thor superior to Atlas who holds the Axis Mundi, the Greek version of Yggdrasil. Weakened Thor overpowered the cosmic storms surrounding Asgard. Created a storm that reached Earth from Asgard. Fought Millennius, who was stronger than Odin. Shook the Nine Realms while battling Jormungand. Odin felt it necessary to use the Destroyer Armor combined with the Odinsword to take down an enraged Thor. Caused more damage to Skyfather Hercules than the entire Council of Godheads. Fought Glory, a pantheon of ten thousand alien gods. His anger was felt across all the Nine Realms. Overpowers Perrikus, who defeated Odin. Repeatedly matched or defeated Mephisto in his own realm. Fought against Twilight Sword Hela and repeatedly matched or overpowered her base in her own realm, with Hela admitting she couldn't beat him. Punched through the torso of Onslaught with Franklin Richards' powers) to Outerverse level at peak or with God Blast (Far stronger than his Unworthy self, who could damage the Universal Phoenix. Fought evenly against bloodlusted Sekhmet, who Ra/Atum himself couldn't stop, and briefly fought and damaged Apep, who was the Elder God Set, and harmed Set in his own realm on another occasion. Enraged Thor was a grave danger to a large portion of universal Eternity and Infinity. Knocked out the Universal Phoenix with a strike from Mjolnir. The Stranger admitted that a bloodlusted Thor could be a problem for him. Four God Blasts temporarily held back the collapse of dimensional walls resulting from a mortal wound to Universal Eternity. Superior to enraged Eric Masterson and Dargo Ktor, whose clash fully powered a machine that could collapse infinite timelines. Absorbing Thor would "add immeasurably" to the power of the Other, who could match Scrier and fully-fed Galactus in a battle that would bring all of reality back to Oblivion. Multiversal Oblivion acknowledged Thor's power as impressive, describing it as "beyond comprehension". Blasted through Chaos King's torso with a lightning bolt. Overpowered the combined power of Yggdrasil and the World Engine, and all existence would have been destroyed if he'd failed, with Yggdrasil as the only entity strong enough to strip Doctor Strange of his powers, and even a fragment of Yggdrasil's power being more magic than Strange had ever felt before. Skurge being freed from Yggdrasil would free him from Eternity itself and destroy all creation in the process), Outerverse level with the Phoenix Force (Channeled the Phoenix Force to hold back the tide of the First Firmament, which would have consumed all of creation in an omniversal wave of destruction)"

It seems much better than our current profile page for Thor, so I definitely support it. Thank you very much for your work.

However, you will need to add References when you add the text in our wiki.

I just don't think that it is consistent for this tier of character to be Outerversal. Like, generally, characters like Dormammu and Nightmare are referred to as higher dimensional, not beyond dimensional, and Thor is solidly below them. Like none of the characters who are capable of destroying realities show anything at all like qualitative superiority.

Now, Multiversal Abstracts and Uni Abstract True Forms do, but not Skyfather Tiers. This is also why I think the Multi Abstract Thor feats are enormous outliers. Thor absolutely does not have the level of transcendence over Skyfathers that Abstracts do.

Agreed. FinePoint is preparing a revision, which I support, focused on having us list standard and peak power level portrayals for franchises with enormous inconsistencies, such as Marvel Comics.

 

[Antvasima]

All-Father Thor is one thing, I'm not disputing 1-A for that key. Only for base Thor. Thor being descended from Elder Gods doesn't really mean anything because that doesn't change the fact that Thor has never displayed qualitative superiority to anyone, much less beings like Galactus, Odin, Dormammu, etc. Like we aren't talking about the kind of power gap Thor has shown over Silver Surfer. This would mean that Thor is so much more powerful than Celestials that they don't even exist relative to him.

As I keep saying, Marvel Comics doesn't maintain almost any consistency in its power levels or relative power levels at all, which I also think that FinePoint's upcoming "generally/at peak" revision will be able to make us acknowledge much better, but that does not change that Thor's peak feats all genuinely happened, and that there are quite a lot of them.

That said, as I also keep saying, I think that we severely exaggerate the scale of individual "616"-style "universal" continuums, and that we need to fix that in order for our Marvel Comics statistics to make much better sense in general.

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

Willpower Variability:

• Thor's willpower lets him resist the Unbinding Stone that would have destroyed all of reality
• Allows him to resist being digested by Demogorge
• Amps him to the point where he withstands multiple attacks from and defeats MYTHOS, who had previously oneshot his Complete Allfather self, in base
• Strength in Marvel is relative to a character's need for it, and Thor states he can stand "anything" if the need is there

Emotional Variability:

• Thor's strength comes from his courage and emotions
• In all creation and uncreation, requires only hope to triumph over any odds
• Thor with conviction can one-shot opponents that uncertain Thor can't even damage
• Angry Thor stomps opponents that his regular hits do nothing to
• His anger lets him rip through armor his normal strikes didn't scratch
• His heart and soul withering because of discouragement cause him to be so weak he "barely casts a shadow" according to Seth
• His resolve to do right makes him "mightier than ever"
• When Thor understands his dual heritage as son of Odin and Gaea, there is no limit to his actions

Location Variability:

• Attacks are more effective against Thor when he's outside of the Nine Realms
• Subconsciously limits himself on Earth
• Thor is stronger in Asgard

Author Variability:

• Jason Aaron's Thor is deliberately written to be weaker than normal

Gods Variability/Physiology:

• Gods fighting seriously surpass any conflict seen on Earth
• Asgardians are weaker on Midgard and more vulnerable to the touch of mortality
• Gods are physical manifestations of belief and their power can fluctuate accordingly
• While "less grand" than Eternity, gods have cosmic access to him
• Gods gain strength through faith, belief, and prayer, and all spring from the same universal higher force
• The power of prayer is the greatest ever known in the universe
• Gods are stories, and changing their story can change their power and very nature
• The divinity of gods transcends dimensions
• Thor is an other-dimensional being that breaks reality as he moves through the universe
• Thor doesn't fully exist in the material realm, and mortal attempts to understand gods are paintings on a cave wall compared to the real thing
• Gods are stories that can vary in power but never truly die, with gods as the strongest stories of all
• Loki has to debase himself and shrink in order to enter Midgard from Asgard
• "Gods are stories large enough to keep from being washed away by the The House of Ideas' passive effects, despite it working with "all the force of creation" to deconstruct those caught in its light" (from the God Physiology blog)
• The bodies of deceased gods are capable of blocking the omniversal corpse-flood of the First Firmament, indicating that the stories of gods exist at the same level as multiversal abstracts

 

[MrKerf]

"Gods are stories large enough to keep from being washed away by the The House of Ideas' passive effects, despite it working with "all the force of creation" to deconstruct those caught in its light" (from the God Physiology blog)

Um... this looks like Age Manipulation, not... whatever you are implying. It simply works differently for Hercules because he can live for longer.

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

Something like "High 3-A normally, up to Low 1-A to 1-A with Divine Willpower"

I'm not sure what else to call the variability mechanic here, since it's a combination of a) Empowerment through willpower b) Gods' power levels changing with their stories and c) location-based empowerment, but they don't all happen at the same time. I want to change the wording of his tiering as well since High 3-A is typically below the enemies he often fights in his own stories so it's misleading to call that his "normal" level.