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- Today, I will be addressing The Fortnite Canon and will be explaining how it's treated. I will try not to get into any scaling and will just be outlining how the game's canon works.






Defining Terminology

On the topic of Canonicity, here are some important terms:

1. World: Used together with the name of a specific Franchise to represent it. Example: World of Fortnite or World of DC.

2. World: Used to refer to a specific Universe in the Cosmology. Example: World of Fortnite or Fortnite World (eg: Reality Zero).

3. World: Used to refer to the main Battle Royale Island of a Universe. Example: World of Fortnite or Fortnite World - Athena (or Reality Zero's other iterations of The Island) or the Shattered Coast (Chapter 7 Season 3).

Worlds: Used to refer to multiple Universes in the Cosmology.

1. Universe: Used to together with the name of a specific franchise to represent it. Examples: Fortnite Universe or Marvel Universe.

2. Universe: Used to refer to a specific Universe (Space Time Continuum) in the Cosmology. Example: Fortnite Universe (eg: Reality Zero).

Universes: Used to refer to multiple Universes in the Cosmology.

1. Reality: Used to refer to a specific Universe in the Cosmology. Example: Reality Zero or Reality 266 (C7S3).

2. Reality: Used to refer to the main Battle Royale Island of a Universe. Example: Reality Zero (Athena or The Island's other iterations throughout Reality Zero) or Reality 266 (Shattered Coast - C7S3).

1. Realities: Used to refer to multiple Universes in the Cosmology.

2. Realities: Used to refer to the main Battle Royale Islands of different Universes in the Cosmology.

Multiverse: Used to refer to a collection and container of multiple different Universes in the Cosmology.

Galaxy (Multiverse): Used to refer to a collection and container of multiple different Universes in the Cosmology.

Multiverses: Used to refer to multiple different Multiverses in the Cosmology.

Galaxies (Multiverses): Used to refer to multiple different Multiverses in the Cosmology.

Omniverse: Used to refer to the Collection of Everything and Anything Possible in Creation.

- So, when you see a statement using any of these terms, it is important to look for the context behind it in order to properly determine what it is referring to.

- That being said, this is not a big issue right now as Fortnite is for the most part consistent with it's usage of these terms and the Creative Team at Epic Games shares the same vision when it comes to the Lore (it's also relatively new so it hasn't been long enough for it to get super inconsistent).







One Canon

- First and foremost, I would like to say that Fortnite has One Canon; Battle Royale, Save The World, Reload, Lego Fortnite Odessey, etc... all take place in The Omniverse in different Realities. This can be seen in The Big Bang Live Event (Chapter 4/Fortnite OG) where you would enter the different Galaxies for the new experiences found within the game.






Collaborations/Crossovers

- A collaboration is defined as an official crossover between Fortnite and a different second/third party media. They can be in many forms like cosmetic items (skins, pickaxes, etc...), live events, etc...

- It is also worth mentioning that collaborations are closely developed with their respective second/third parties (check out This Page for more information on that).

- A few examples of collaborations are: Marvel Comics, DC Comics, Star Wars, Stranger Things, etc...

- There can be two types of Crossovers in Fortnite; One-sided Crossovers and Canon Crossovers.

- One-sided Crossovers Officially take place within one Continuity but not the other. Canon Crossovers Officially take place within both Continuities and as such recurrently happen within a shared Universe or feature characters made by the same creators.

- One-sided Crossovers include: Many of the collaborations including animes, games and tv shows like Naruto, MHA, The Witcher, etc...

- They do take place within Fortnite's Continuity but Fortnite doesn't necessarily take place within their Continuity (main).

- Canon Crossovers include: Marvel Comics, DC, Invincible (TV Show) and LEGO/DREAMZzz™ Universe.

- They do take place within Fortnite's Continuity and Fortnite does take place within their main Continuity.







Marvel Comics

- Marvel is Fortnite's first Battle Royale collaborator and one of their biggest one too. Marvel has had many cosmetics and even more than one whole Season dedicated to them in Fortnite. Marvel has also published comic book series in partnership with Epic Games (Fortnite's parent company) and they've even gone as far as establishing a shared Continuity.

What does a shared Continuity mean? It means Fortnite takes place within the same main Marvel Comics Continuity (specifically Earth-616 or sometimes called Reality/Universe 616) and vice versa.

- Back in August 27th, 2020 when Fortnite Chapter 2 Season 4 was launching, Marvel and Epic Games also released a tie-in prelude comic to the new Season. The writer for this comic would be none other than Donny Cates. The comic was titled: Fortnite X Marvel - Nexus War: Thor (2020) #1 and was penciled by Greg Land.

- Before that, Marvel made an Official statement on their twitter stating: "You'll never believe what happened between These Two 'Thor' #4 Panels."

This was hinting at the events of Fortnite X Marvel - Nexus War: Thor (2020) #1 and the rest of Chapter 2 Season 4 of Fortnite.

- Then, Donny Cates himself also released an Official statement on his twitter stating: "Been getting this question a lot. Yes, It's the proper 616 Thor and Galactus from @NicKlein and I's Thor run. But then they go through a Dimensional Rift and into the World of FORTNITE. So, yes. This all really happened. Comics are fun and weird, y'all."

- Along with Thor, some of the other heroes also got on screen showings of their disappearance and reappearance from and in their Universe.

- In Issue #5 of Wolverine (2020-2024) written by Benjamin Percy, the last panel shows Wolverine in the woods of a forest and then suddenly, the Bifrost appears on him and a voice (Lady Sif) tells him he's needed elsewhere before teleporting him into Fortnite. In the same panel, the Bifrost reappears and teleports him back there where he was but with no memory of what happened.

- In issue #3 of X-Factor (2020-2021) written by Leah Williams, the last panel shows Storm, Psylocke, Domino and Mystique being teleported by the Bifrost into Fortnite. They are then teleported back to their exact location though they now have Fortnite weapons and no memory of what happened.

- Gwenpool who was there notes that it was a Tie-In.

- There are also multiple articles and statements in the Official Marvel website explaining this collaboration and what it means for both Universes.

- Here is one by Marvel themselves on their Official website: "Set in Marvel Comics Continuity, the events of NEXUS WAR take place between the panels of THOR (2020) #4, which released this past March. To learn more, don’t miss a special 10-page Fortnite/Thor crossover story written by Donny Cates and drawn by Greg Land in FANTASTIC FOUR (2018) #24, and be sure to keep your eyes peeled in Marvel Comics to catch hints of where these characters go – and return from – next!

- Here is one by Mark Basso (the editor) himself: “One of the most exciting things about the crossover is how naturally it keeps a foot both in Fortnite and the Marvel Universe," says Marvel Comics and NEXUS WAR editor Mark Basso. "We had a lot of great creative discussions between Marvel and Epic Games about where our storylines could cross over naturally, and seeing how prime a target the Fortnite Island would be for Galactus, who Donny Cates had already been exploring in his THOR series, set the whole thing into motion. If you’ve been playing Fortnite, you’ll have an inkling at how the Marvel characters will work on the Island.”

- In an article in Marvel's Official website, Paul Gitter, who is the SVP of Marvel Licensing, stated: “Bringing our iconic Universe of characters to Fortnite authentically expands the Marvel brand into an exciting new world of gaming played by millions around the world.”



- A bit over a year later, Marvel and Epic Games released the Fortnite X Marvel: Zero War (2022 - 2022) comic series written by Christos Gage and Epic Games Chief Creative Officer Donald Mustard and drawn by artist Sergio Davíla.

- Christos Gage himself stated: "It’s still a delight. If anything it’s more instinctive now, as Donald and I are really familiar with each other’s creative processes, but that was true midway through Batman/Fortnite… we clicked really quickly. So from the standpoint of collaborating with Donald, it felt like a direct continuation. We both love comics, we both love the Fortnite lore, and we both want to deliver something awesome for fans of both the comics and the game. Hopefully that showed last time, and will show again this time."

- Christos Gage also noted that the Avengers lineup was what it was during that time in the Marvel Avengers Title, but he took a broader approach because of the status quo of the Marvel Universe during that time but the events did happen.

- Here's a statement by Marvel on their Official website: FORTNITE X MARVEL: ZERO WAR, the highly anticipated comic mini-series that will see the Marvel Universe collide with the World of Fortnite. FORTNITE X MARVEL: ZERO WAR is a five-issue saga that will leave a tremendous impact on both Universes, and Spider-Man will mark the occasion with a brand-new suit. Check out the unveiling of the Spider-Man Zero Suit right now and witness it in action in both the comic series and in Fortnite.

- Also, in FORTNITE X MARVEL: ZERO WAR #1, Jonesy mentions Earth-617.

- Lastly, both of these comics are approved by the Marvel Games Team as well as C.B. Cebulski who is the Editor-in-Chief (EIC) of Marvel Comics. The EIC is responsible for coordinating and managing all aspects of the creative production, from the idea to the final product.

- On Epic Game's side, they were approved by Donald Mustard who was the Chief Creative Officer (CCO) at Epic Games. This means he's in charge of the game's lore as well as responsible for leading the overarching creative vision and intellectual property strategy across the entire company.

- And obviously, they were approved by the respective writers/authors themselves including: Donny Cates, Christos Gage and Donald Mustard.



The elephant in the room

- With all of this established, there is now only one question left to be answered; What is the story of Creation?

- In Marvel Comics, everything is created by The One Above All in The House of Ideas where every story is created.

- In Fortnite, everything is created by The Zero Point; its the source of all cosmic and primal creation.

- So, which is the true story of creation if they are in the same Continuity? The answer to that question lies in the comics themselves and what is said about them.

1. The Zero Point and its creation are a Mystery. Here is a statement about the comic by Marvel: "But when the two discover an extremely powerful, Mysterious source of energy known as the Zero Point..."

This establishes that The Zero Point is a Mysterious thing to the Marvel Universe. It shouldn't contradict anything as it's always been a Mystery and even after these events, it remains a Mystery because nobody remembers anything about it.

2. In Fortnite X Marvel - Nexus War: Thor (2020) #1, when The Zero Point's rift appears in front of Thor and Galactus, Donny Cates describes it as "FAR, FAR BEYOND THE FIELDS WE KNOW..."

This further supports the idea that The Zero Point is something outside the Marvel Universe. With this in mind, the statements about creation should not apply to one another. That is to say that TOAA created his own creation and The Zero Point also created its own.

- To add on, Marvel has a concept known as The Omniverse; it is the collection of every single universe, multiverse, megaverse, dimension (alternate or pocket) and realm. This is not limited to only Marvel Comics. The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe sates: "It includes every single literary work, television show, movie, urban legend, universe, realm, etc. ever. It includes everyone from Popeye to Rocky Balboa to Ronald Reagan to Romeo and Juliet to Luke Skywalker to Snoopy to Jay and Silent Bob, etc."

- There's also the Megaverse which is a structure between Multiverse and Omniverse that links realities more closely associated to the mainstream Multiverse and even more distant realities. The Omniverse is divided into Multiverse Clusters that rarely intersect and are governed by the cosmic beings that created or controls them. Examples include the Cluster embodying the Marvel Multiverse - One Above All, the Multiverse Cluster of magic and death embodying Jujutsu Kaisen and also the Multiverse Cluster of sentient trash embodying Gachiakuta.

- With this in mind, it would be logical to say that there's a Cluster out there representing Fortnite also given their close relationship (a few possible names I came up with are: The Multiverse Cluster of endless death and resurrection. Or maybe: The Multiverse Cluster of endless death and battle. This is because of the Loop that resets every 22 minutes and keeps Loopers fighting and dying endlessly).



Mini Conclusion #1


- The Canon Crossovers page states that Canon Crossovers officially take place within both continuities which is exactly what happened here and is confirmed/approved by both companies.

- The page also states that Crossovers should preferably be referenced within the separate story settings themselves at some point in order to count as official on each side which as shown above, did happen.

- It also states that: For Cross-Verse scaling to be considered to be used between two separate works of fiction based on author statements, all of the following requirements must be fulfilled: The works must be written by a single same person. There should not be considerable contradictions in the respective displayed power levels for the compared characters. The statements need to clearly have been intended seriously. The compared characters must share a similar nature in terms of types of powers.

- The requirements are fulfilled as not only is it Officially stated and confirmed to take place in the main Marvel Comics Universe Continuity, it is also written by Donny Cates himself (who also confirms the same thing) who wrote Thor (2020 - 2023).








Invincible (TV Show)

- Invincible is a critically acclaimed, adult animated superhero series that streams on Prime Video. It was created by Robert Kirkman based on his comic book series by the same name that was illustrated by Cory Walker and Ryan Ottleyy. It has deep character development, complex family dynamics and also graphic violence.

- Invincible was first introduced in the World of Fortnite as cosmetics (skins, pickaxes, etc...) back in November 25th 2023 during Chapter 4 Season OG.

- Four months later, when Invincible Season 2 Episode 8 premiered on April 4th 2024, we could see in that episode that Levy Angstrom sends Mark to a different Dimension using his portals and when he finally comes back, he's holding the Dragon's Breath Sniper which he uses to strike Levy Angstrom in the face and to the ground.

- This Invincible (TV Show) x Fortnite crossover was confirmed to be Official and Canonical.

- Here is what Robert Kirkman himself had to say about it: How did you get the Fortnite sniper rifle into Mark’s hands? "That was all done in cooperation with Epic Games, and it’s the actual model for the Dragon’s Breath Sniper rifle. Maybe Angstrom sent him there and everything in the game is canon and he’s coming out with a gun."

This confirms that it was not a one sided thing and that both companies were on board with it and approved it. It also confirms that the events did happen authentically and canonically within the main tv show continuity.



Mini Conclusion #2

- The Canon Crossovers page states that Canon Crossovers officially take place within both continuities which is exactly what happened here and it's confirmed/approved by both companies.

- The page also states that Crossovers should preferably be referenced within the separate story settings themselves at some point in order to count as official on each side which did happen in Invincible (TV Show) and Fortnite.

- It also states that: For Cross-Verse scaling to be considered to be used between two separate works of fiction based on author statements, all of the following requirements must be fulfilled: The works must be written by a single same person. There should not be considerable contradictions in the respective displayed power levels for the compared characters. The statements need to clearly have been intended seriously. The compared characters must share a similar nature in terms of types of powers.
The requirements are fulfilled as it was stated to be official and approved by both parties. The creator/writer of Invincible also confirmed and showed that it took place in the main Invincible (TV Show) Continuity.

- In terms of contradictions, there aren't really any. The two Creations stay separated unless interfered with and also, Invincible does not have a revealed all powerful creator of the verse.








LEGO®/LEGO® Fortnite® Odyssey®/DREAMZzz™ Universe

- LEGO is a popular line of interlocking plastic building bricks and construction toys manufactured by The LEGO Group. It is a privately held company based in Billund, Denmark.

- LEGO is probably Fortnite's biggest collaborator. They've released numerous content ranging from a whole game mode inside Fortnite, to multiple other Fortnite Island experiences all the way to real life LEGO kits. The LEGO Group has a long term partnership with Epic Games that started back in April 7th 2022. Their goal ever since has been to develop a safe, family friendly digital Metaverse for children. This initial announcement was backed by a massive $1 billion investment from LEGO's parent company, Kirkbi A/S.

- LEGO Fortnite - Explore vast, open Worlds where the magic of LEGO building and Fortnite collide in this new survival crafting game.

- LEGO® Fortnite® Odyssey®: Explore vast, open worlds where the magic of LEGO® building and Fortnite collide. Build homesteads across the world and recruit villagers to help you collect resources, tame animals, and craft powerful items. Push the limits of physics by building surreal contraptions and find your own way to survive!

- LEGO® Fortnite® Odyssey®: is a game set in a vast open World that inspires players’ endless creativity within a familiar, safe and secure environment. LEGO Fortnite Odyssey combines iconic LEGO minifigures with LEGO bricks and elements inside of developer Epic Games’ Fortnite. LEGO Fortnite Odyssey isn’t Fortnite Battle Royale with minifigures. It’s an experience that combines the best of both Worlds and anyone can download and play LEGO Fortnite Odyssey for free, alone or even better, with friends.

- LEGO® Fortnite®: is a permanent addition to the Fortnite Universe, and we have no plans to remove the LEGO Fortnite Brick Life game mode – as long as there are people who enjoy playing it!

- The LEGO®/DREAMZzz™ Universe: is a place where everything you ever dreamed of, every mysterious land, wild building and mixed-up creature, actually existed. When Mateo and his friends fall asleep, they enter the incredible Dream World crammed with fantastical Realms and extraordinary creatures – and epic adventures.

- LEGO Parkour Worlds: is the most delightful and trickiest jumping course in the whole LEGO DREAMZzz™ Universe. In the LEGO DREAMZzz World, the Candy Realm is full of every dreamer’s favorite food and candies like lollipop trees and gumdrop rocks. But it’s not just candy – you could find endless boxes of pizza, burgers the size of buildings, and creatures like a gigantic Candy Chameleon, too!

- LEGO PARKOUR WORLDS: NEW Cyber Realm Update! Get ready to jump through the Candy Realm in the DREAMZzz Universe and enjoy the sweet taste of victory! This is the most delightful and trickiest jumping course in the whole Dream World. So, don’t look down if you are afraid of falling and bring your friends! Compete over who can conquer the Candy Realm the fastest!

- All these statements from both companies make it clear that LEGO® Fortnite® is a two way thing and that LEGO® Fortnite® Islands takes place within the main Official LEGO DREAMZzz™ Universe Continuity.



Mini Conclusion #3

- The Canon Crossovers page states that Canon Crossovers officially take place within both continuities which is what's happening here and it is confirmed and approved by both companies.

- The page also states that Crossovers should preferably be referenced within the separate story settings themselves at some point in order to count as official on each side which did not happen on screen but The LEGO Group makes it clear that it is the same LEGO DREAMZzz™ Universe and that the events are indeed happening there.

- It also states that: For Cross-Verse scaling to be considered to be used between two separate works of fiction based on author statements, all of the following requirements must be fulfilled: The works must be written by a single same person. There should not be considerable contradictions in the respective displayed power levels for the compared characters. The statements need to clearly have been intended seriously. The compared characters must share a similar nature in terms of types of powers.

The requirements are fulfilled as LEGO® Fortnite® was created and approved by both Epic Games and The LEGO Group along with their other partnership projects. LEGO® Fortnite® Islands is also confirmed to take place within the main Official LEGO DREAMZzz™ Universe Continuity.

- Regarding contradictions, there aren't really any. All the interactions are created and approved by the two companies. The LEGO DREAMZzz™ Universe series also does not have a revealed all powerful creator of the Verse for there to be such issues.








DC Comics

- DC Comics is an American comic book publisher owned by Warner Bros. DC Comics is one of the biggest and oldest American comic book companies. The first comic under DC was published in 1937.

- The first DC Comics collaboration was released on September 21st, 2019 which included Batman (alongside The Dark Knight from the Christopher Nolan film trilogy), Catwoman and a new POI: Gotham City which used the layout of Tilted Towers. The Batman Grapnel Gun and Explosive Batarang were also added. This collaboration is the first time collaboration items were present in standard playlists. This collaboration introduced the DC Series cosmetic rareity.


- On April 20, 2021, DC Comics and Epic Games released the eagerly awaited Batman/Fortnite: Zero Point #1 in comics shop or digitally in DC UNIVERSE INFINITE (US-only). It was rritten by Christos Gage with concept with story consultation from Chief Creative Officer of Epic Games, Donald Mustard, featuring art by Reilly Brown, Christian Duce, Nelson DeCastro and John Kalisz. The main cover for issue #1 was provided by Mikel Janín (Batman, Wonder Woman, Future State: Superman – Worlds at War) and the variant cover by Kenneth Rocafort (Sideways). Mustard will also provide premium variant covers for each issue of the series (check local comic shops for availability) and the future variant covers were provided by an impressive lineup of artistic talent, including Arthur Adams, Jim Lee, Amanda Conner and others. The series had 6 issues and it concluded with issue #6 on Tuesday, July 6th, 2021.


- Here are a few statements from DC and Fortnite across their Official websites and YouTube channels regarding the comic series:

  • A statement by Fortnite on their website: Universes Collide: BATMAN/FORTNITE: ZERO POINT - New Limited-Edition Comic Book Series Arrives April 20.
  • A statement by Fortnite on their YouTube revealing Batman Zero and the comic series (this can also be found on DC's YouTube and it is also the Official description for the comic series): A crack splits the sky above Gotham City... a tear in reality itself. This rift pulls the Dark Knight into a bizarre and unfamiliar world, with no memory of who he is or where he came from… DC’s Batman has been drawn into Fortnite! As our hero fights to recall his past and escape an endless loop of chaos and struggle, he’ll come face-to-face with the likes of Renegade Raider, Fishstick, Bandolier, and more. While the World's Greatest Detective strives to make sense of this strange new World, he’ll uncover the shocking truth about the Island, what lies beyond the Loop, and how everything is connected to the Mysterious Zero Point. Uncover secrets never before revealed in-game or anywhere else! Every fan of Batman, Fortnite, stunning art, and edge-of-your-seat excitement won't want to miss the Caped Crusader facing off against Fortnite champions on the Island in a desperate attempt to save not only himself but other familiar faces from the DC universe… and perhaps the Multiverse too!
  • A statement by DC on their website: The news that issue #3 of BATMAN/FORTNITE: ZERO POINT served to increase anticipation for the series launch on April 20. But no one expected that DC and Epic Games (“Epic”) would reveal more covers for the series, including a fantastic variant cover by DC Publisher, Chief Creative Officer, and fan-favorite artist Jim Lee!
  • A statement by DC on their website: The train keeps rolling for Batman/Fortnite: Zero Point, and with characters like Harley Quinn, Catwoman and even Snake Eyes mysteriously popping up on The Island, it’s anyone’s guess who will show up next! Issue #4 of this six-issue limited series is no exception, as DC’s deadliest assassin, Deathstroke makes his appearance on The Island, and here’s a first look! Batman has broken free from the Loop and the endless cycle of combat. Now free to explore the island without limitation, the World’s Greatest Detective will discover secrets about the World of Fortnite never before revealed in the game or anywhere else. Just one thing…he’s not alone. Not only is he met by a rogue faction of Fortnite bandits who have ALSO escaped the loop—Eternal Voyager! Bandolette! Magnus! Fishstick! And a few others—there’s someone else trapped, someone who is trying to get free from the World of Fortnite…someone deadly. Will Batman recognize this familiar hunter-for-hire, and even more importantly, will he trust him? Just because Batman’s out of the Loop doesn’t mean the fighting is over! Based on a story concept by series consultant and Chief Creative Officer of Epic Games, Donald Mustard, this six-issue limited series is written by Christos Gage, featuring pencils by Christian Duce, with inks by Nelson Faro DeCastro and colors by John Kalisz. The main cover for issue #4 is by Mikel Janín, with a card stock variant cover by Dan Mora, plus a premium variant cover by Mustard (check your local comic book store for availability).
  • A statement by DC on their website: It all comes down to this! Batman and Catwoman have one chance to get back to their own world…but to do so, they'll have to return to the nonstop battle on the Island and retrieve someone who is the key to their escape…Harley Quinn! But she's not going to go quietly. And who's behind the world-shattering events of our story? You'll find out…and the implications for Both Fortnite and The DC Universe will be huge.


- Now, here is what writer Christos Gage and story consultant and Chief Creative Officer of Epic Games, Donald Mustard, had to say about the comic series:


  • A statement by Christos Gage: "When DC first approached me about doing a Batman/Fortnite series I thought it would be a lot of fun. After speaking with Donald and discovering just how deeply we'd be diving into the secrets behind the World of Fortnite, I was amazed! This series will reveal things about Fortnite that have never been seen or heard before yet are very much part of the Canon of the game.”
  • Another statement by Christos Gage (on the same website): “I’m also looking forward to integrating other DC Super Heroes into the series, characters that Batman has existing relations with. It’ll be exciting to share with fans how these relationships will be reshaped in this new World. The art by Reilly, Christian, Nelson, and John is stunning and my prediction is that this series will blow everybody’s mind, whether you’re a fan of DC, Batman or Fortnite.”
  • A statement by Reilly Brown: “That's the cool part. A lot of crossovers, they're fun, but they don't impact the canon of the other storylines. But with this, a huge part of the Fortnite mythos going forward is going to be what Batman does in this storyline. So, this is really part of the continuity. That's awesome because that's not something you see all the time. This story is really going be part of the DNA of Fortnite going forward.”
  • A statement by Donald Mustard: "When developing this project with DC, our mutual goal from day one has been to tell an Awesome and Authentic Batman story first and foremost. Batman/Fortnite: Zero Point explores what would happen if you trapped the World’s Greatest Detective somewhere with no memory of who he is, in an environment that's constantly changing. I can’t wait for readers to discover all the surprises, twists and mysteries that we have in store for them!"
  • Another statement by Donald Mustard (in an IGN article): "As we were really early in the process of starting to build the Fortnite story, there were elements where other Realities come into play. And Batman was one of the very first characters I was hoping to be able to bring into that. And so we approached DC pretty early. I mean, this is years ago and I was saying, 'Here's our planning and here's how the story of Fortnite works, and here's how Batman could fit into that.'" IGN: "According to Mustard, the game's early DC crossovers came about mostly through conversations with DC's Chief Creative Officer Jim Lee. Over time, their conversations shifted toward building a bigger and more focused narrative, which is basically the genesis of Zero Point."
  • Donald Mustard also stated there that: "This is really a core Batman story. And at least with the story I've been thinking about for what would be a really cool lens into the character Batman and into Catwoman and their relationship. And so we had this arc that we'd thought through and how it could tie into some of the Fortnite things that were going on and the timeframe where the comic takes place."
  • Christos Gage also stated there that: "I've worked on a lot of licensed properties and as you know, they're usually not canonical and it's a thing where you still want to tell a good story and have some fun, but it's like - this isn't canon. In this, Donald from the start said, 'We're going to reveal all these secrets about how the Fortnite island works.' And I was like, 'You've got to be kidding me. We're going to tell this in the comic book and not the game.'"


- About three months after the release of Batman/Fortnite: Zero Point #6 on Tuesday July 6th, 2021, DC Comics and Epic Games teamed up once again to release BATMAN/FORTNITE: FOUNDATION #1 on Tuesday, October 26th, 2021. It was co-written by Epic Games Chief Creative Officer Donald Mustard, Batman/Fortnite: Zero Point writer Christos Gage and acclaimed Batman and Dark Nights Metal/Dark Nights Death Metal writer Scott Snyder. The art was provided by Joshua Hixson (pencils and inks), Roman Stevens (colors) and AndWorld Design (letters). Snyder’s longtime partner artist Greg Capullo, teamed up with Jonathan Glapion and Matt Hollingsworth for the main cover.


- Here are a few statements from DC and Fortnite across their Official websites and YouTube channels regarding the comic series:


  • A statement by Fortnite on their website: Batman/Fortnite: Foundation - Universes Collide Again in New Limited-Edition Comic Landing October 26!
  • Another statement by Fortnite on their website: You may remember The Foundation at the bottom of the ocean, activating after a long slumber. But this ocean was not the Island’s. The Foundation has found himself in Gotham Harbor, and in Gotham he detects energy from The Zero Point. Following the Batman/Fortnite: Zero Point series, the standalone Batman/Fortnite: Foundation comic lands in stores on October 26, 2021.
  • A statement by DC on their website: Directly from the bestselling, groundbreaking Batman/Fortnite: Zero Point miniseries, comes an oversized one-shot that brings the action from the island to Gotham City. If you thought the Batman/Fortnite saga was over, think again...it only gets bigger from here!
  • A statement by DC on their YouTube revealing the comic: Batman/Fortnite: Foundation #1 Announcement with Jim Lee DC. DC Reveals Batman/Fortnite: Foundation #1! Following the successful and critically acclaimed Batman/Fortnite: Zero Point, DC and Epic Games are teaming up again to combine the Worlds of Fortnite and the World’s Greatest Super Heroes. Batman/Fortnite: Foundation #1 is co-written by Epic Games Chief Creative Officer Donald Mustard, Batman/Fortnite: Zero Point writer Christos Gage and acclaimed Batman and Dark Nights Metal/Dark Nights Death Metal writer Scott Snyder. Available in comic shops on Tuesday, 10/26. About DC: The official home of Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, The Flash and the rest of The World's Greatest Super Heroes!
  • Another statement by DC on their website: DC Publisher and Chief Creative Officer Jim Lee announced today that DC and Epic Games are teaming up again to combine the worlds of Fortnite and the World’s Greatest Super Heroes. Lee confirmed that Batman/Fortnite: Foundation #1, arrives at participating comic shops on Tuesday, October 26. Batman/Fortnite: Foundation #1 follows the successful and critically acclaimed Batman/Fortnite: Zero Point series where, upon arriving on the Fortnite Island, an amnesiac Batman battles unknown enemies and must use all his detective skills to solve the Mystery of the Zero Point to find his way home.
  • On the same website: Returning to Gotham City after the events of Zero Point, Batman is faced with a new mystery and a new arrival. The Foundation, an enigmatic figure from the Fortnite Island, emerges from the depths of Gotham Harbor, and the Dark Knight wants to investigate what he is doing in his city. In collaboration with DC and Warner Bros. Consumer Products, boutique retailer Extra Butter NY and Epic Games is offering an awesome selection of DC x Fortnite t-shirts and hoodies featuring the sinister Batman Who Laughs. A must for any DC or Fortnite fan, these items are available worldwide...


- Now, here is what DC Publisher and Chief Creative Officer Jim Lee has to say about the comic in the video:



  • Jim Lee stated: "In combining these two immersive Worlds, both DC and Epic Games knew that there would be more stories to be told, and I'm happy to announce that we'll be continuing with a new one-shot crossover called Batman/Fortnite: Foundation #1, which arrives in comic shops on Tuesday, October 26th."
  • He also stated: "Introducing this character into the Worlds of DC and Fortnite is a big task. Luckily, DC is meeting the challenge by bringing in some great storytellers for this one-shot. Epic Games Chief Creative Officer Donald Mustard and Zero Point series writer Christos Gage are being joined by the guy that really knows his way around the DC Universe, Scott Snyder. Art will be provided by Joshua Hixson and Roman Stevens."
  • He finished off with: "In addition to the awesome cover by Scott's partners in crime, Greg Capullo and Jonathan Glapion, you can check with your local comic book store to pre-order these incredible variant covers—one by Alex Garner, and a premium variant cover featuring art by Donald Mustard. All this amazing work is edited by the amazing Katie Kubert. And on Tuesday, October 26th, Epic will be launching the Batman Who Laughs outfit into the Fortnite Item Shop. And in keeping with DC/Epic Games tradition, each print version of Batman/Fortnite: Foundation #1 will feature a bonus code redeemable for the exclusive Batman Who Laughs loading screen in Fortnite."


The elephant in the room #2

- With all of this, how do we now answer the question; What is the story of Creation?

- In DC Comics, The Presence is the ultimate creator and the source of everything. The Presence has many aspects, the most notable ones being: The Light of Creation, The Voice, The Hand and The Source.

- In Fortnite, everything is created by The Zero Point; It is the source of all cosmic and primal creation.

- Once again, which is the actual story of creation if they are in the same Continuity? The answer to that lies in the comics themselves and what is said about them.

1. The Zero Point and its creation are a Mystery/. Here is a statement about BATMAN/FORTNITE: ZERO POINT comic series by DC and Epic Games: "While the World's Greatest Detective strives to make sense of this strange new World, he'll uncover the shocking truth about the Island, what lies beyond the Loop and how everything is connected to the Mysterious Zero Point."

This is one of many statements regarding this and it establishes that The Zero Point is a Mysterious thing to the DC Universe. It should not contradict anything as it has always been a Mystery and even after these events, it will remain a Mystery.

2. In BATMAN/FORTNITE: ZERO POINT #1, Batman with his vast knowledge states that The Zero Point is something completely outside their Universe and its Energy signature is something he's never seen or picked up before.

- To add on, similar to Marvel Comic's Omniverse, DC has something known as the Greater Omniverse which is: The totality of all the Multiverses, Universes and Dimensions that ever came to exist, actually exist and will ever exist (or not) in the future. Everything whether real or imaginary is part of the Greater Omniverse. It's even agreed upon that the Greater Omniverse goes beyond DC and includes creations from other franchises like Marvel, Sonic, Looney Tunes, Mortal Kombat, Scooby Doo, etc...

- With this in mind, it would not be far fetched to say that there's a creation out there representing Fortnite also given their close relationship.



Mini Conclusion #4

- The Canon Crossovers page states that Canon Crossovers officially take place within both continuities which is what happened here and it is confirmed and approved by both companies.

- The page also states that Crossovers should preferably be referenced within the separate story settings themselves at some point in order to count as official on each side which happened here and the creative team makes it clear that it is the main DC Continuity and that the events did happen there.

- It also states that: For Cross-Verse scaling to be considered to be used between two separate works of fiction based on author statements, all of the following requirements must be fulfilled: The works must be written by a single same person. There should not be considerable contradictions in the respective displayed power levels for the compared characters. The statements need to clearly have been intended seriously. The compared characters must share a similar nature in terms of types of powers.

The requirements are fulfilled as the BATMAN/FORTNITE: ZERO POINT comic series and the BATMAN/FORTNITE: FOUNDATION #1 comic were created and approved by both DC and Epic Games as well as all the respective writers/artists/editors like: Christos Gage, Donald Mustard, Scott Snyder, Reilly Brown, Joshua Hixson, Katie Kubert, etc...

- I'm also sure many of you know that Scott Snyder is one of the main writers for DC and he also created The Batman Who Laughs character with Greg Capullo. The BWL made his first full appearance in Dark Days: The Casting #1 in September 2017.

- Earlier in 2021, The BWL was defeated by Wonder Woman in Dark Nights: Death Metal #7 which released on January 5th, 2021. In BATMAN/FORTNITE: FOUNDATION #1, the Justice League even makes note of this. Katie Kubert (the editor) even notes how he was in Death Metal on the panel as the characters were processing this new information.

- This is noted to be one of the mysteries the Justice League would have to deal with in BATMAN/FORTNITE: FOUNDATION #1.







The One-Sided Crossovers

- Despite Fortnite not taking place within their main Continuities, these One-Sided Crossovers do take place within Fortnite's Continuity and Fortnite could be taking place within an alternate version of the Crossover's Continuity (depends on the verse).

- This can be seen many times throughout Fortnite. An example is during Chapter 2 season 5 when Agent Jonesy was going around The Omniverse and recruiting hunters from different Realities. He recruited: Master Chief, Kratos, Ryu and Chun Li, etc...

- You can read more about this on this page on the Fortnite fandom wiki or here as well on the Fortnite fandom wiki.

- The point is that these are Realities that do exist within the Fortnite Omniverse. In terms of development and similarity, they are copies of the original and share the same history and events. You can even read the descriptions (in game or outside) of the cosmetics to get a deeper understanding of this.

- Also, if you recall Donald Mustard's words from ealier, he created The Zero Point (and The Omniverse) as a way to bridge and connect Fortnite to different Realities across fiction. That is what started all of these collaborations we see now.

- Similar to Marvel and DC's Omniverses, Verses that are big can have their own Multiverse or Cluster within Fortnite's Omniverse.

- I also want to mention again that all of these collaborations are created and developed together with the second/third party and are fully legal/within copyright.







Conclusion/Proposal

- Due to the good quality and amount of evidence present, Marvel Comics, DC, Invincible (TV Show) and LEGO DREAMZzz™ Universe should be considered Canon to Fortnite and Fortnite should be considered Canon to them in the wiki.

- For Marvel Comics, it would be the main Comic Continuity including it's other Earths like Earth-617.

- For DC, it would be the main Comic Continuity and would also include the Dark Multiverse and its Earths.

- For the One-Sided Cross-Overs, a copy of them should be treated as existing in The Omniverse given the substantial amount of evidence supporting it.




- If this is accepted, I will make a separate post that goes over how Fortnite and it's characters would be impacted in terms of Tiering.










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Can we have a rule that stops Fortnite from making any crossscsaling already? This is the secord or third time someone is trying that.

- If this is accepted, I will make a separate post that goes over how Fortnite and it's characters would be impacted in terms of Tiering.
You should do that here. I swear, multi part threads ruined everyone's brains.
 
We don't do crossover scaling because if we did Marvel and DC would be under the same cosmology

Either way crossover scaling smells worse than a redditor

Wait, actually?

Then what is the point of the Cross-Over page if verses that are verbatim stated to be Canon to each can’t be accepted as that?

And I think both Marvel Comics and DC have made multiple intentional collaboration choices that point to them existing outside of the main storylines of each but while also existing somewhere in both of their Omniverses as I mentioned earlier.

Regardless, the intention here was not have Marvel Comics and DC be in the same Cosmology. This is strictly about Fortnite and how Collaborations work in it.
 
Can we have a rule that stops Fortnite from making any crossscsaling already? This is the secord or third time someone is trying that.


You should do that here. I swear, multi part threads ruined everyone's brains.

The post would be so huge, my computer would break lol.
 
Wait, actually?

Then what is the point of the Cross-Over page if verses that are verbatim stated to be Canon to each can’t be accepted as that?
Marvel and dc have completely incompatible cosmologies, one of the rules for crossovers is that the verses can’t have contradictory levels of power and marvel and dc have contradictory levels of power
And I think both Marvel Comics and DC have mademultiple intentional collaboration choices that point to them existing outside of the main storylines of each but while also existing somewhere in both of their Omniverses as I mentioned earlier.
both marvel and dc have several things beyond their omniverse, so they can’t both exist in their omniverse, especially considering the fact that dc has a tier 0 and tier 0s can’t be in anything that isn’t themselves
Regardless, the intention here was not have Marvel Comics and DC be in the same Cosmology. This is strictly about Fortnite and how Collaborations work in it.
If marvel and dc both shared a cosmology with Fortnite that would mean they also share a cosmology with each other
 
Marvel and dc have completely incompatible cosmologies, one of the rules for crossovers is that the verses can’t have contradictory levels of power and marvel and dc have contradictory levels of power

both marvel and dc have several things beyond their omniverse, so they can’t both exist in their omniverse, especially considering the fact that dc has a tier 0 and tier 0s can’t be in anything that isn’t themselves

If marvel and dc both shared a cosmology with Fortnite that would mean they also share a cosmology with each other


Marvel and dc have completely incompatible cosmologies, one of the rules for crossovers is that the verses can’t have contradictory levels of power and marvel and dc have contradictory levels of power.
- Isn't the reason DC has a Cosmology split because of the contradicting statements and power levels? Even Marvel's Cosmology is split into two.

- Shouldn't that be the case here too?

both marvel and dc have several things beyond their omniverse, so they can’t both exist in their omniverse, especially considering the fact that dc has a tier 0 and tier 0s can’t be in anything that isn’t themselves.
- Yeah true, a split is necessary here given the information present.

If marvel and dc both shared a cosmology with Fortnite that would mean they also share a cosmology with each other.
- What solution do you propose? I think it would be extremely unfair to Fortnite that it cant be scaled using Canon Crossovers which are a huge huge part of its Lore and how the game functions. We cannot just pretend that these things did not happen.

- Do you think having only Earth-616 and it's adjacent Earths (like Earth-617) be Canon would solve it? And for DC it could be only Prime Earth.
 
- What solution do you propose? I think it would be extremely unfair to Fortnite that it cant be scaled using Canon Crossovers which are a huge huge part of its Lore and how the game functions. We cannot just pretend that these things did not happen.

- Do you think having only Earth-616 and it's adjacent Earths (like Earth-617) be Canon would solve it? And for DC it could be only Prime Earth.
There's nothing for Fortnite here, truth be told. You're trying to mix three completely different cosmologies together with duct tape and glue and trying to call it a day. It's far better just to leave Fortnite alone because this topic is becoming really tiring already.
 
I had used the 22 size for the text; I didn’t realize it would be this big lol
You should edit it, as easy to read threads usually attract more moderators from what I've seen.
Then what is the point of the Cross-Over page if verses that are verbatim stated to be Canon to each can’t be accepted as that?
That's not how it entirely works. Crossover scaling is possible, but there's disqualifiers too.
- What solution do you propose? I think it would be extremely unfair to Fortnite that it cant be scaled using Canon Crossovers which are a huge huge part of its Lore and how the game functions. We cannot just pretend that these things did not happen.
It might be unfair, but I doubt that accepting them as indeed canon would actually fix the problems, as it supposedly got rejected prior to this.
 
- Isn't the reason DC has a Cosmology split because of the contradicting statements and power levels? Even Marvel's Cosmology is split into two.

- Shouldn't that be the case here too?
Dc’s cosmology split is being/is removed and marvel’s cosmology split will be removed sooner or later, and it’s better to just not merge the cosmologies of separate verses then to merge and then make a split because of said merge
- Yeah true, a split is necessary here given the information present.
Like I said above, it’s better to just let the verses be separate and keep their own functioning cosmologies then merge them into a massive amount of contradictions that has to be split
- What solution do you propose? I think it would be extremely unfair to Fortnite that it cant be scaled using Canon Crossovers which are a huge huge part of its Lore and how the game functions. We cannot just pretend that these things did not happen.

- Do you think having only Earth-616 and it's adjacent Earths (like Earth-617) be Canon would solve it? And for DC it could be only Prime Earth.
I don’t want to sound harsh or anything, but sometimes things just aren’t fair, it wouldn’t be fair to Fortnite to not count crossovers, and it wouldn’t be fair to any of the verses involved to mess up their cosmology by mixing it with the cosmologies of other verses, and it’s going to be overall more fair if we take the route that’s not fair to Fortnite than the route that’s not fair to any verse involved
 
You should edit it, as easy to read threads usually attract more moderators from what I've seen.

That's not how it entirely works. Crossover scaling is possible, but there's disqualifiers too.

It might be unfair, but I doubt that accepting them as indeed canon would actually fix the problems, as it supposedly got rejected prior to this.


You should edit it, as easy to read threads usually attract more moderators from what I've seen.
- Thanks. I’ll make it 15.


That's not how it entirely works. Crossover scaling is possible, but there's disqualifiers too.
- Yeah true. However, the disqualifiers that are listed on the page are about whether the two verses are actually Canon or not. Here, that is not the issue.


It might be unfair, but I doubt that accepting them as indeed canon would actually fix the problems, as it supposedly got rejected prior to this.
- The thread that was rejected was about Thor (2020) #1 and some of the moderators viewed it as not straightforward which is why it got rejected. After viewing that thread, I decided to make this one dedicated strictly to how Canonicity works on the game.

- Now, the only problems that would arise from accepting them as Canon would be with DC.

- Marvel Comics and Invincible (TV Show) work just fine because there are no Tier 0s and because they only interact when needed (aka when the companies want) otherwise they go on with their stories as always.

- With LEGO DREAMZzz™ Universe, its a continuous interaction whenever players are interacting with the Dream World.


- With DC, because of there being a Tier 0 and the way The Greater Omniverse is treated, it is hard to figure it out.

A reasonable solution I see is to have it be an alternate version of Prime Earth (Dark Multiverse included) in Fortnite that very much resembles the actual one for scaling purpose given the extensive amount of evidence to support it. This is already how One-Sided Crossovers work in the game so this would work well.
 
- Thanks. I’ll make it 15.



- Yeah true. However, the disqualifiers that are listed on the page are about whether the two verses are actually Canon or not. Here, that is not the issue.



- The thread that was rejected was about Thor (2020) #1 and some of the moderators viewed it as not straightforward which is why it got rejected. After viewing that thread, I decided to make this one dedicated strictly to how Canonicity works on the game.

- Now, the only problems that would arise from accepting them as Canon would be with DC.

- Marvel Comics and Invincible (TV Show) work just fine because there are no Tier 0s and because they only interact when needed (aka when the companies want) otherwise they go on with their stories as always.

- With LEGO DREAMZzz™ Universe, its a continuous interaction whenever players are interacting with the Dream World.


- With DC, because of there being a Tier 0 and the way The Greater Omniverse is treated, it is hard to figure it out.

A reasonable solution I see is to have it be an alternate version of Prime Earth (Dark Multiverse included) in Fortnite that very much resembles the actual one for scaling purpose given the extensive amount of evidence to support it. This is already how One-Sided Crossovers work in the game so this would work well.
Well there's multiple things wrong

Multiple cosmologies that cannot mix

Fortnite scaling to the comics can only go so far

Verses like DC would upscale it as with the recent DC KO event there's multiple creations in the bleed/maybe Overvoid like The Boys and Mortal Kombat, so, why can't Fortnite be included for scaling?

Simple fact, a massive contradiction and in my humble opinion it's BIGGEST SIN

Goku being stated as being the strongest in Fortnite when Superman has higher scaling which also adds to the scaling being incompatible

You may claim the facsimile of DC characters and cosmology exist within Forknife but they don't truly scale to the comics given the contradictions
 
Dc’s cosmology split is being/is removed and marvel’s cosmology split will be removed sooner or later, and it’s better to just not merge the cosmologies of separate verses then to merge and then make a split because of said merge

Like I said above, it’s better to just let the verses be separate and keep their own functioning cosmologies then merge them into a massive amount of contradictions that has to be split

I don’t want to sound harsh or anything, but sometimes things just aren’t fair, it wouldn’t be fair to Fortnite to not count crossovers, and it wouldn’t be fair to any of the verses involved to mess up their cosmology by mixing it with the cosmologies of other verses, and it’s going to be overall more fair if we take the route that’s not fair to Fortnite than the route that’s not fair to any verse involved

Dc’s cosmology split is being/is removed and marvel’s cosmology split will be removed sooner or later, and it’s better to just not merge the cosmologies of separate verses then to merge and then make a split because of said merge.
- I didn't know that. I guess we'll have to wait and see regarding that.

Like I said above, it’s better to just let the verses be separate and keep their own functioning cosmologies then merge them into a massive amount of contradictions that has to be split.

I don’t want to sound harsh or anything, but sometimes things just aren’t fair, it wouldn’t be fair to Fortnite to not count crossovers, and it wouldn’t be fair to any of the verses involved to mess up their cosmology by mixing it with the cosmologies of other verses, and it’s going to be overall more fair if we take the route that’s not fair to Fortnite than the route that’s not fair to any verse involved.

- Don't worry, this is the reason we have these discussions in the first place. Regarding fairness, we have to answer this one question: Is it up to (the Wiki) or the respective companies to decide what is or isn't Canon to their Continuities?

- With Marvel, they reached out to Donald Mustard (Epic Games) first to collaborate (you might've already heard of the famous nearly six hour phone call). They talked and brought up a creative team behind the collaboration including writers like Christos Gage and Donny Cates. Its the same case with Invincible (TV Show) as Robert Kirkman reached out to Donald Mustard regarding the show's Season 2 finale.

- Especially with the comics, Donald brought them his vision for Fortnite's lore and how it works and together with the creative them, they integrated it well into the comics. Mark Basso (Nexus War: Thor editor) even noted: “One of the most exciting things about the crossover is how naturally it keeps a foot both in Fortnite and the Marvel Universe." The same was stated for the comics with DC.

- The point I am trying to make is that these Collaborations are deeply integrated into Fortnite and these companies took the job of bringing its Lore to life. As Reilly Brown once said: "This story is really going be part of the DNA of Fortnite going forward." They planted the seed (Fortnite's story) in their own gardens (their respective Continuities) and that is how we have the Tree (Fortnite) that we have now.

- You might think that these companies and writers couldn't care less about Canonicity but trust me when I tell you, they really do care about it. I have included multiple statements in the OP from the writers talking about how they care about authenticity and their stories actually being impactful in the Continuities. In fact, this is one of the major driving forces behind the BATMAN/FORTNITE: ZERO POINT comic series and its follow up BATMAN/FORTNITE: FOUNDATION #1; they wanted to tell an authentic Batman story first and foremost then also starting Fortnite's lore.

- I understand that merging and splitting Cosmologies can be a headache but are we going to value Simplicity over actual Authenticity? Are we going to act like one thing doesn't matter or exist over another thing despite both being from the same source and that source telling us that the one thing does in deed exist and matter?

- With this in mind, are we going to really going to tell Marvel right up their face that they can't be Canon to Fortnite and vice versa because it would be a headache to integrate their Cosmologies despite the fact that they explicitly told and showed us multiple times that they are Canon to each other?

- Are we going to tell the artists and writers that their stories do not mean anything in the Continuity despite the fact that one of their main reasons for writing these were to tell an authentic story that matters within the Continuities and the fact that they also went out of their way to explicitly tell us (eg: Donny Cates) that one of the comic they were writing is Canon to another one that they were also writing and that they all take place in one Continuity?

- So when you say " it wouldn’t be fair to any of the verses involved to mess up their cosmology by mixing it with the cosmologies of other verses", it sounds like you are implying the Verses involved were forced to do this. The opposite is actually true. All of these Collaborations are a licensed and a two way deal that are done in close partnership as already stated earlier.

- Marvel and DC specifically chose and agreed to build up Fortnite's Lore from basically scratch in their own main Continuities. That is something I personally think should not be overlooked at all.



- So, If the answer to the earlier question is that we value Simplicity over Authenticity then I understand and we can drop all of this. If we value Authenticity over Simplicity, then I would like to continue so we can find a solution that is Fair to all of the Verses involved (because they chose and agreed to all of this).
 
- I didn't know that. I guess we'll have to wait and see regarding that.



- Don't worry, this is the reason we have these discussions in the first place. Regarding fairness, we have to answer this one question: Is it up to (the Wiki) or the respective companies to decide what is or isn't Canon to their Continuities?

- With Marvel, they reached out to Donald Mustard (Epic Games) first to collaborate (you might've already heard of the famous nearly six hour phone call). They talked and brought up a creative team behind the collaboration including writers like Christos Gage and Donny Cates. Its the same case with Invincible (TV Show) as Robert Kirkman reached out to Donald Mustard regarding the show's Season 2 finale.

- Especially with the comics, Donald brought them his vision for Fortnite's lore and how it works and together with the creative them, they integrated it well into the comics. Mark Basso (Nexus War: Thor editor) even noted: “One of the most exciting things about the crossover is how naturally it keeps a foot both in Fortnite and the Marvel Universe." The same was stated for the comics with DC.

- The point I am trying to make is that these Collaborations are deeply integrated into Fortnite and these companies took the job of bringing its Lore to life. As Reilly Brown once said: "This story is really going be part of the DNA of Fortnite going forward." They planted the seed (Fortnite's story) in their own gardens (their respective Continuities) and that is how we have the Tree (Fortnite) that we have now.

- You might think that these companies and writers couldn't care less about Canonicity but trust me when I tell you, they really do care about it. I have included multiple statements in the OP from the writers talking about how they care about authenticity and their stories actually being impactful in the Continuities. In fact, this is one of the major driving forces behind the BATMAN/FORTNITE: ZERO POINT comic series and its follow up BATMAN/FORTNITE: FOUNDATION #1; they wanted to tell an authentic Batman story first and foremost then also starting Fortnite's lore.

- I understand that merging and splitting Cosmologies can be a headache but are we going to value Simplicity over actual Authenticity? Are we going to act like one thing doesn't matter or exist over another thing despite both being from the same source and that source telling us that the one thing does in deed exist and matter?

- With this in mind, are we going to really going to tell Marvel right up their face that they can't be Canon to Fortnite and vice versa because it would be a headache to integrate their Cosmologies despite the fact that they explicitly told and showed us multiple times that they are Canon to each other?

- Are we going to tell the artists and writers that their stories do not mean anything in the Continuity despite the fact that one of their main reasons for writing these were to tell an authentic story that matters within the Continuities and the fact that they also went out of their way to explicitly tell us (eg: Donny Cates) that one of the comic they were writing is Canon to another one that they were also writing and that they all take place in one Continuity?

- So when you say " it wouldn’t be fair to any of the verses involved to mess up their cosmology by mixing it with the cosmologies of other verses", it sounds like you are implying the Verses involved were forced to do this. The opposite is actually true. All of these Collaborations are a licensed and a two way deal that are done in close partnership as already stated earlier.

- Marvel and DC specifically chose and agreed to build up Fortnite's Lore from basically scratch in their own main Continuities. That is something I personally think should not be overlooked at all.



- So, If the answer to the earlier question is that we value Simplicity over Authenticity then I understand and we can drop all of this. If we value Authenticity over Simplicity, then I would like to continue so we can find a solution that is Fair to all of the Verses involved (because they chose and agreed to all of this).
What about the conflicting scales?
 
Well there's multiple things wrong

Multiple cosmologies that cannot mix

Fortnite scaling to the comics can only go so far

Verses like DC would upscale it as with the recent DC KO event there's multiple creations in the bleed/maybe Overvoid like The Boys and Mortal Kombat, so, why can't Fortnite be included for scaling?

Simple fact, a massive contradiction and in my humble opinion it's BIGGEST SIN

Goku being stated as being the strongest in Fortnite when Superman has higher scaling which also adds to the scaling being incompatible

You may claim the facsimile of DC characters and cosmology exist within Forknife but they don't truly scale to the comics given the contradictions

Verses like DC would upscale it as with the recent DC KO event there's multiple creations in the bleed/maybe Overvoid like The Boys and Mortal Kombat, so, why can't Fortnite be included for scaling?

- What did you mean by this? Like is Fortnite is a creation inside The Bleed/Overvoid? With The Bleed, I would say not likely because the Fortnite and its Realities are stated to be outside The Dark Multiverse and the different Universes of the regular Multiverse.

- Within The Overvoid, its a different story though I could see it being the case.

- Also, I have unfortunately not read DC KO so I'm pretty clueless about the events that are happening in it.

Goku being stated as being the strongest in Fortnite when Superman has higher scaling which also adds to the scaling being incompatible.

- He was never stated to be strongest in Fortnite. And because of The Loop, they would both be nerfed and on the same level as everyone else.

- Regardless, is one inconsistent statement going to hold more weight than multiple different statements regarding Canonicity? I don't think the scaling would be incompatible just because of this. Look at how many inconsistence statements there are in Marvel and DC (or almost any Verse) yet the scaling still works out.

You may claim the facsimile of DC characters and cosmology exist within Forknife but they don't truly scale to the comics given the contradictions.
- Just look at the evidence I posted in the OP, they are stated to be the same multiple different times. You've also given just one example of a contradiction that isn't actually a contradiction to begin with.
 
Look at how many inconsistence statements there are in Marvel and DC (or almost any Verse) yet the scaling still works out.
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- Can you give another example of conflicting scale?
There's 2 I can think of

Other than messing with DCs Tier 0 while Forknife doesn't have its own and with Goku royally screwing over the chance with the statements he's been given that's the most contradictory of all with no feats to back it up and only statements

There's also this little bit that shoots itself in the foot and I copy and paste

- Similar to Marvel and DC's Omniverses, Verses that are big can have their own Multiverse or Cluster within Fortnite's Omniverse.

Multiple Omniverses! Which as you can see doesn't make any sense unless you concede that because DC has a proper tier 0 DCs Omniverse and Forknifes Omniverse is one and the same which creates a LOT of other problems like conflicting lore and scales
 
There's 2 I can think of

Other than messing with DCs Tier 0 while Forknife doesn't have its own and with Goku royally screwing over the chance with the statements he's been given that's the most contradictory of all with no feats to back it up and only statements

There's also this little bit that shoots itself in the foot and I copy and paste

- Similar to Marvel and DC's Omniverses, Verses that are big can have their own Multiverse or Cluster within Fortnite's Omniverse.

Multiple Omniverses! Which as you can see doesn't make any sense unless you concede that because DC has a proper tier 0 DCs Omniverse and Forknifes Omniverse is one and the same which creates a LOT of other problems like conflicting lore and scales

Other than messing with DCs Tier 0 while Forknife doesn't have its own and with Goku royally screwing over the chance with the statements he's been given that's the most contradictory of all with no feats to back it up and only statements.

- Exactly, it is just a statement that does not make any sense and the funny part is that it is not even about Goku to begin with.

- And once again, I don't think a statement like that holds as much weight as you are giving it.


- Similar to Marvel and DC's Omniverses, Verses that are big can have their own Multiverse or Cluster within Fortnite's Omniverse.

Multiple Omniverses! Which as you can see doesn't make any sense unless you concede that because DC has a proper tier 0 DCs Omniverse and Forknifes Omniverse is one and the same which creates a LOT of other problems like conflicting lore and scales.

- This is just one of the potential solutions I was talking about. If we say that Fortnite and DC's Omniverses are the same, then Fortnite would a creation in DC's Omniverse and vice versa.

- In terms of Scaling, nothing really changes because they never interact unless needed (when the companies want).

- The real problem comes with the Lore. As I mentioned earlier, The Presence and its aspects are the source of everything in DC but in Fortnite , its The Zero Point.

- We could say that since The Presence scales higher, he created The Zero Point or maybe its an aspect/figure of his which then created everything in Forntite. The problem with that is that there isn't really any direct evidence to support it though it is possible.

- Another possible solution is a Mini Split where everything is the same except that The Presence isn't Tier 0 that way the two creations can co-exist. Here, The Presence and The Zero Point would be responsible for their own creations.

- It is a straightforward goal but the solution is difficult to find which is why we need to discuss and generate more possible solutions.
 


- You know what I meant by that. Wonder Woman and Thor are stated and shown to be hurt by regular bullets yet they're both Tier 2 and above or Hulk being hurt by normal animals (Gorilla and Python). These are just three of many and you get what I am trying to say.

- Those statements and instances are to be evaluated case by case and most of the times, they are inconsistencies and outliers.
 
Well if Fortnite says it's canon, and Marvel says it's canon, and DC says it's canon, and Invincible says it's canon, then I think that's enough for me to think it's probably canon.

Agree, however I do think the tier 0 and multiple omniverses issue mentioned by others needs to be addressed.
 
- Exactly, it is just a statement that does not make any sense and the funny part is that it is not even about Goku to begin with.

- And once again, I don't think a statement like that holds as much weight as you are giving it.




- This is just one of the potential solutions I was talking about. If we say that Fortnite and DC's Omniverses are the same, then Fortnite would a creation in DC's Omniverse and vice versa.

- In terms of Scaling, nothing really changes because they never interact unless needed (when the companies want).

- The real problem comes with the Lore. As I mentioned earlier, The Presence and its aspects are the source of everything in DC but in Fortnite , its The Zero Point.

- We could say that since The Presence scales higher, he created The Zero Point or maybe its an aspect/figure of his which then created everything in Forntite. The problem with that is that there isn't really any direct evidence to support it though it is possible.

- Another possible solution is a Mini Split where everything is the same except that The Presence isn't Tier 0 that way the two creations can co-exist. Here, The Presence and The Zero Point would be responsible for their own creations.

- It is a straightforward goal but the solution is difficult to find which is why we need to discuss and generate more possible solutions.
Here's the thing

Mish mashing lore to force something to work with headcannon isn't the safest way to do things

And no, I'd fully be on board with your thing if Forknife never said Goku was the strongest. ***** goku, man.

Also going through so much effort to try to reconcile the conflicting lore of The Greater Omniverse being the same as Fortnites one being the same as well as trying to fit in the Zero Point without DC establishing it first

Is sort of like a total stranger whom you met a few times coming in your house, eating your food and sleeping in your bed without it putting the work at all because it's personality is completely different and it's stature is completely different too despite the interactions

Like an acquaintance overstaying their welcome, kind of


I know I may sound mean but I'm sorry but uh

goku bad
Conflicting scales
Conflicting lore
Headcanon welding
Conflicting with the verses Tier 0

Is all a massive no no in terms of scaling.
 
Saying that Fortnite is canon to Marvel and DC Comics creates egregious contradictions such as: multiple Tier 0s in the same cosmology which is explicitly not allowed by our standards and highly conflicting lore.
 
Marvel has also published comic book series in partnership with Epic Games (Fortnite's parent company) and they've even gone as far as establishing a shared Continuity.
This doesn't indicate a shared canon, Marvel constantly publishes crossover comics with many different companies.
What does a shared Continuity mean? It means Fortnite takes place within the same main Marvel Comics Continuity (specifically Earth-616 or sometimes called Reality/Universe 616) and vice versa.
However there is no shared continuity here.
- Back in August 27th, 2020 when Fortnite Chapter 2 Season 4 was launching, Marvel and Epic Games also released a tie-in prelude comic to the new Season. The writer for this comic would be none other than Donny Cates. The comic was titled: Fortnite X Marvel - Nexus War: Thor (2020) #1 and was penciled by Greg Land.
Maybe this single comic line can be considered canon but this would not apply to the entire Marvel Comics cosmology.
This doesn't mean anything.
- Then, Donny Cates himself also released an Official statement on his twitter stating: "Been getting this question a lot. Yes, It's the proper 616 Thor and Galactus from @NicKlein and I's Thor run. But then they go through a Dimensional Rift and into the World of FORTNITE. So, yes. This all really happened. Comics are fun and weird, y'all."
Donny Cates is one writer who has not written for Marvel in years and as such should not be considered the absolute voice of authority.
- In Issue #5 of Wolverine (2020-2024) written by Benjamin Percy, the last panel shows Wolverine in the woods of a forest and then suddenly, the Bifrost appears on him and a voice (Lady Sif) tells him he's needed elsewhere before teleporting him into Fortnite. In the same panel, the Bifrost reappears and teleports him back there where he was but with no memory of what happened.

- In issue #3 of X-Factor (2020-2021) written by Leah Williams, the last panel shows Storm, Psylocke, Domino and Mystique being teleported by the Bifrost into Fortnite. They are then teleported back to their exact location though they now have Fortnite weapons and no memory of what happened.
We can still only scale Fortnite characters through their own feats rather than leeching off other franchieses as it causes lots of egregious contradictions.
- Here is one by Marvel themselves on their Official website: "Set in Marvel Comics Continuity, the events of NEXUS WAR take place between the panels of THOR (2020) #4, which released this past March. To learn more, don’t miss a special 10-page Fortnite/Thor crossover story written by Donny Cates and drawn by Greg Land in FANTASTIC FOUR (2018) #24, and be sure to keep your eyes peeled in Marvel Comics to catch hints of where these characters go – and return from – next!

- Here is one by Mark Basso (the editor) himself: “One of the most exciting things about the crossover is how naturally it keeps a foot both in Fortnite and the Marvel Universe," says Marvel Comics and NEXUS WAR editor Mark Basso. "We had a lot of great creative discussions between Marvel and Epic Games about where our storylines could cross over naturally, and seeing how prime a target the Fortnite Island would be for Galactus, who Donny Cates had already been exploring in his THOR series, set the whole thing into motion. If you’ve been playing Fortnite, you’ll have an inkling at how the Marvel characters will work on the Island.”
These statements are merely promotional material trying to hype up the crossover, they are not indications that Fortnite and Marvel share a cosmology.
- In an article in Marvel's Official website, Paul Gitter, who is the SVP of Marvel Licensing, stated: “Bringing our iconic Universe of characters to Fortnite authentically expands the Marvel brand into an exciting new world of gaming played by millions around the world.”
Again, this is not an indication that Fortnite and Marvel share a cosmology. The expansion of Marvel as a brand through crossovers with Fortnite is different from a canonical expansion of Marvel's cosmology.
- A bit over a year later, Marvel and Epic Games released the Fortnite X Marvel: Zero War (2022 - 2022) comic series written by Christos Gage and Epic Games Chief Creative Officer Donald Mustard and drawn by artist Sergio Davíla.
Again, a few crossover comic lines are not sufficient evidence for a shared cosmology when Marvel does crossover comics all the time without any care for maintaining consistency or fitting events into any cohesive timeline because said crossovers are not canon.
- Christos Gage himself stated: "It’s still a delight. If anything it’s more instinctive now, as Donald and I are really familiar with each other’s creative processes, but that was true midway through Batman/Fortnite… we clicked really quickly. So from the standpoint of collaborating with Donald, it felt like a direct continuation. We both love comics, we both love the Fortnite lore, and we both want to deliver something awesome for fans of both the comics and the game. Hopefully that showed last time, and will show again this time."
This statement is not an indication that Marvel and Fortnite share a cosmology.
- Here's a statement by Marvel on their Official website: FORTNITE X MARVEL: ZERO WAR, the highly anticipated comic mini-series that will see the Marvel Universe collide with the World of Fortnite. FORTNITE X MARVEL: ZERO WAR is a five-issue saga that will leave a tremendous impact on both Universes, and Spider-Man will mark the occasion with a brand-new suit. Check out the unveiling of the Spider-Man Zero Suit right now and witness it in action in both the comic series and in Fortnite.
This is again just promotional hype.
- Also, in FORTNITE X MARVEL: ZERO WAR #1, Jonesy mentions Earth-617.

- Lastly, both of these comics are approved by the Marvel Games Team as well as C.B. Cebulski who is the Editor-in-Chief (EIC) of Marvel Comics. The EIC is responsible for coordinating and managing all aspects of the creative production, from the idea to the final product.
Yes, the comics were obviously approved for publication by Marvel otherwise they wouldn't exist. Marvel technically approved every crossover comics it has made to be published but that doesn't mean said crossovers are canon.

- With all of this established, there is now only one question left to be answered; What is the story of Creation?

- In Marvel Comics, everything is created by The One Above All in The House of Ideas where every story is created.

- In Fortnite, everything is created by The Zero Point; its the source of all cosmic and primal creation.

- So, which is the true story of creation if they are in the same Continuity? The answer to that question lies in the comics themselves and what is said about them.
There is no "true story of creation" because there is no shared continuity in the first place.

I'll address the rest later.
 
- The requirements are fulfilled as not only is it Officially stated and confirmed to take place in the main Marvel Comics Universe Continuity, it is also written by Donny Cates himself (who also confirms the same thing) who wrote Thor (2020 - 2023).
No, what you listed was mostly just a bunch of meaningless promotional hype. Donny Cates isn't an absolute authority on Marvel Comics either.

I won't comment on Invincible and LEGO stuff, I'm not all that knowledgeable on them though I still highly doubt they are canon.
- The first DC Comics collaboration was released on September 21st, 2019 which included Batman (alongside The Dark Knight from the Christopher Nolan film trilogy), Catwoman and a new POI: Gotham City which used the layout of Tilted Towers. The Batman Grapnel Gun and Explosive Batarang were also added. This collaboration is the first time collaboration items were present in standard playlists. This collaboration introduced the DC Series cosmetic rareity.
Not an indication that the crossover is canon or that DC and Fortnite share a cosmology.
- On April 20, 2021, DC Comics and Epic Games released the eagerly awaited Batman/Fortnite: Zero Point #1 in comics shop or digitally in DC UNIVERSE INFINITE (US-only). It was rritten by Christos Gage with concept with story consultation from Chief Creative Officer of Epic Games, Donald Mustard, featuring art by Reilly Brown, Christian Duce, Nelson DeCastro and John Kalisz. The main cover for issue #1 was provided by Mikel Janín (Batman, Wonder Woman, Future State: Superman – Worlds at War) and the variant cover by Kenneth Rocafort (Sideways). Mustard will also provide premium variant covers for each issue of the series (check local comic shops for availability) and the future variant covers were provided by an impressive lineup of artistic talent, including Arthur Adams, Jim Lee, Amanda Conner and others. The series had 6 issues and it concluded with issue #6 on Tuesday, July 6th, 2021.
How does this mean the crossover is canon, let alone that Fortnite and DC share a cosmology.
- Here are a few statements from DC and Fortnite across their Official websites and YouTube channels regarding the comic series:

  • A statement by Fortnite on their website: Universes Collide: BATMAN/FORTNITE: ZERO POINT - New Limited-Edition Comic Book Series Arrives April 20.
  • A statement by Fortnite on their YouTube revealing Batman Zero and the comic series (this can also be found on DC's YouTube and it is also the Official description for the comic series): A crack splits the sky above Gotham City... a tear in reality itself. This rift pulls the Dark Knight into a bizarre and unfamiliar world, with no memory of who he is or where he came from… DC’s Batman has been drawn into Fortnite! As our hero fights to recall his past and escape an endless loop of chaos and struggle, he’ll come face-to-face with the likes of Renegade Raider, Fishstick, Bandolier, and more. While the World's Greatest Detective strives to make sense of this strange new World, he’ll uncover the shocking truth about the Island, what lies beyond the Loop, and how everything is connected to the Mysterious Zero Point. Uncover secrets never before revealed in-game or anywhere else! Every fan of Batman, Fortnite, stunning art, and edge-of-your-seat excitement won't want to miss the Caped Crusader facing off against Fortnite champions on the Island in a desperate attempt to save not only himself but other familiar faces from the DC universe… and perhaps the Multiverse too!
  • A statement by DC on their website: The news that issue #3 of BATMAN/FORTNITE: ZERO POINT served to increase anticipation for the series launch on April 20. But no one expected that DC and Epic Games (“Epic”) would reveal more covers for the series, including a fantastic variant cover by DC Publisher, Chief Creative Officer, and fan-favorite artist Jim Lee!
  • A statement by DC on their website: The train keeps rolling for Batman/Fortnite: Zero Point, and with characters like Harley Quinn, Catwoman and even Snake Eyes mysteriously popping up on The Island, it’s anyone’s guess who will show up next! Issue #4 of this six-issue limited series is no exception, as DC’s deadliest assassin, Deathstroke makes his appearance on The Island, and here’s a first look! Batman has broken free from the Loop and the endless cycle of combat. Now free to explore the island without limitation, the World’s Greatest Detective will discover secrets about the World of Fortnite never before revealed in the game or anywhere else. Just one thing…he’s not alone. Not only is he met by a rogue faction of Fortnite bandits who have ALSO escaped the loop—Eternal Voyager! Bandolette! Magnus! Fishstick! And a few others—there’s someone else trapped, someone who is trying to get free from the World of Fortnite…someone deadly. Will Batman recognize this familiar hunter-for-hire, and even more importantly, will he trust him? Just because Batman’s out of the Loop doesn’t mean the fighting is over! Based on a story concept by series consultant and Chief Creative Officer of Epic Games, Donald Mustard, this six-issue limited series is written by Christos Gage, featuring pencils by Christian Duce, with inks by Nelson Faro DeCastro and colors by John Kalisz. The main cover for issue #4 is by Mikel Janín, with a card stock variant cover by Dan Mora, plus a premium variant cover by Mustard (check your local comic book store for availability).
  • A statement by DC on their website: It all comes down to this! Batman and Catwoman have one chance to get back to their own world…but to do so, they'll have to return to the nonstop battle on the Island and retrieve someone who is the key to their escape…Harley Quinn! But she's not going to go quietly. And who's behind the world-shattering events of our story? You'll find out…and the implications for Both Fortnite and The DC Universe will be huge.
This is literally all meaningless promotional hype.
  • A statement by Christos Gage: "When DC first approached me about doing a Batman/Fortnite series I thought it would be a lot of fun. After speaking with Donald and discovering just how deeply we'd be diving into the secrets behind the World of Fortnite, I was amazed! This series will reveal things about Fortnite that have never been seen or heard before yet are very much part of the Canon of the game.”
  • Another statement by Christos Gage (on the same website): “I’m also looking forward to integrating other DC Super Heroes into the series, characters that Batman has existing relations with. It’ll be exciting to share with fans how these relationships will be reshaped in this new World. The art by Reilly, Christian, Nelson, and John is stunning and my prediction is that this series will blow everybody’s mind, whether you’re a fan of DC, Batman or Fortnite.”
  • A statement by Reilly Brown: “That's the cool part. A lot of crossovers, they're fun, but they don't impact the canon of the other storylines. But with this, a huge part of the Fortnite mythos going forward is going to be what Batman does in this storyline. So, this is really part of the continuity. That's awesome because that's not something you see all the time. This story is really going be part of the DNA of Fortnite going forward.”
  • A statement by Donald Mustard: "When developing this project with DC, our mutual goal from day one has been to tell an Awesome and Authentic Batman story first and foremost. Batman/Fortnite: Zero Point explores what would happen if you trapped the World’s Greatest Detective somewhere with no memory of who he is, in an environment that's constantly changing. I can’t wait for readers to discover all the surprises, twists and mysteries that we have in store for them!"
  • Another statement by Donald Mustard (in an IGN article): "As we were really early in the process of starting to build the Fortnite story, there were elements where other Realities come into play. And Batman was one of the very first characters I was hoping to be able to bring into that. And so we approached DC pretty early. I mean, this is years ago and I was saying, 'Here's our planning and here's how the story of Fortnite works, and here's how Batman could fit into that.'" IGN: "According to Mustard, the game's early DC crossovers came about mostly through conversations with DC's Chief Creative Officer Jim Lee. Over time, their conversations shifted toward building a bigger and more focused narrative, which is basically the genesis of Zero Point."
  • Donald Mustard also stated there that: "This is really a core Batman story. And at least with the story I've been thinking about for what would be a really cool lens into the character Batman and into Catwoman and their relationship. And so we had this arc that we'd thought through and how it could tie into some of the Fortnite things that were going on and the timeframe where the comic takes place."
  • Christos Gage also stated there that: "I've worked on a lot of licensed properties and as you know, they're usually not canonical and it's a thing where you still want to tell a good story and have some fun, but it's like - this isn't canon. In this, Donald from the start said, 'We're going to reveal all these secrets about how the Fortnite island works.' And I was like, 'You've got to be kidding me. We're going to tell this in the comic book and not the game.'"
Isolated statements of a few writers for DC that consider the crossover to be canon are absolutely not an indication of a shared cosmology. Even taking these statements at face value doesn't indicate the crossover is canon on both sides and trying to cross scale the cosmologies or any characters is even more egregious.
- Here are a few statements from DC and Fortnite across their Official websites and YouTube channels regarding the comic series:


  • A statement by Fortnite on their website: Batman/Fortnite: Foundation - Universes Collide Again in New Limited-Edition Comic Landing October 26!
  • Another statement by Fortnite on their website: You may remember The Foundation at the bottom of the ocean, activating after a long slumber. But this ocean was not the Island’s. The Foundation has found himself in Gotham Harbor, and in Gotham he detects energy from The Zero Point. Following the Batman/Fortnite: Zero Point series, the standalone Batman/Fortnite: Foundation comic lands in stores on October 26, 2021.
  • A statement by DC on their website: Directly from the bestselling, groundbreaking Batman/Fortnite: Zero Point miniseries, comes an oversized one-shot that brings the action from the island to Gotham City. If you thought the Batman/Fortnite saga was over, think again...it only gets bigger from here!
  • A statement by DC on their YouTube revealing the comic: Batman/Fortnite: Foundation #1 Announcement with Jim Lee DC. DC Reveals Batman/Fortnite: Foundation #1! Following the successful and critically acclaimed Batman/Fortnite: Zero Point, DC and Epic Games are teaming up again to combine the Worlds of Fortnite and the World’s Greatest Super Heroes. Batman/Fortnite: Foundation #1 is co-written by Epic Games Chief Creative Officer Donald Mustard, Batman/Fortnite: Zero Point writer Christos Gage and acclaimed Batman and Dark Nights Metal/Dark Nights Death Metal writer Scott Snyder. Available in comic shops on Tuesday, 10/26. About DC: The official home of Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, The Flash and the rest of The World's Greatest Super Heroes!
  • Another statement by DC on their website: DC Publisher and Chief Creative Officer Jim Lee announced today that DC and Epic Games are teaming up again to combine the worlds of Fortnite and the World’s Greatest Super Heroes. Lee confirmed that Batman/Fortnite: Foundation #1, arrives at participating comic shops on Tuesday, October 26. Batman/Fortnite: Foundation #1 follows the successful and critically acclaimed Batman/Fortnite: Zero Point series where, upon arriving on the Fortnite Island, an amnesiac Batman battles unknown enemies and must use all his detective skills to solve the Mystery of the Zero Point to find his way home.
  • On the same website: Returning to Gotham City after the events of Zero Point, Batman is faced with a new mystery and a new arrival. The Foundation, an enigmatic figure from the Fortnite Island, emerges from the depths of Gotham Harbor, and the Dark Knight wants to investigate what he is doing in his city. In collaboration with DC and Warner Bros. Consumer Products, boutique retailer Extra Butter NY and Epic Games is offering an awesome selection of DC x Fortnite t-shirts and hoodies featuring the sinister Batman Who Laughs. A must for any DC or Fortnite fan, these items are available worldwide...
Again, just meaningless promotional hype. It doesn't matter how much the crossover is advertised, that does not mean it is canon.
  • Jim Lee stated: "In combining these two immersive Worlds, both DC and Epic Games knew that there would be more stories to be told, and I'm happy to announce that we'll be continuing with a new one-shot crossover called Batman/Fortnite: Foundation #1, which arrives in comic shops on Tuesday, October 26th."
  • He also stated: "Introducing this character into the Worlds of DC and Fortnite is a big task. Luckily, DC is meeting the challenge by bringing in some great storytellers for this one-shot. Epic Games Chief Creative Officer Donald Mustard and Zero Point series writer Christos Gage are being joined by the guy that really knows his way around the DC Universe, Scott Snyder. Art will be provided by Joshua Hixson and Roman Stevens."
  • He finished off with: "In addition to the awesome cover by Scott's partners in crime, Greg Capullo and Jonathan Glapion, you can check with your local comic book store to pre-order these incredible variant covers—one by Alex Garner, and a premium variant cover featuring art by Donald Mustard. All this amazing work is edited by the amazing Katie Kubert. And on Tuesday, October 26th, Epic will be launching the Batman Who Laughs outfit into the Fortnite Item Shop. And in keeping with DC/Epic Games tradition, each print version of Batman/Fortnite: Foundation #1 will feature a bonus code redeemable for the exclusive Batman Who Laughs loading screen in Fortnite."
These do not indicate canonicity at all. Every crossover ever can be considered a combination of two worlds.

- With all of this, how do we now answer the question; What is the story of Creation?
The story of Creation in Fortnite is that everything was made from the Zero Point. In DC, it's different. Simple as that.
- Once again, which is the actual story of creation if they are in the same Continuity? The answer to that lies in the comics themselves and what is said about them.
There is no shared continuity.
1. The Zero Point and its creation are a Mystery/. Here is a statement about BATMAN/FORTNITE: ZERO POINT comic series by DC and Epic Games: "While the World's Greatest Detective strives to make sense of this strange new World, he'll uncover the shocking truth about the Island, what lies beyond the Loop and how everything is connected to the Mysterious Zero Point."

This is one of many statements regarding this and it establishes that The Zero Point is a Mysterious thing to the DC Universe. It should not contradict anything as it has always been a Mystery and even after these events, it will remain a Mystery.
The Zero Point being mysterious doesn't prove anything.
2. In BATMAN/FORTNITE: ZERO POINT #1, Batman with his vast knowledge states that The Zero Point is something completely outside their Universe and its Energy signature is something he's never seen or picked up before.
Batman has stated that many things are "outside of reality", "beyond the multiverse", and similar statements before. This doesn't prove anything.
It's even agreed upon that the Greater Omniverse goes beyond DC and includes creations from other franchises like Marvel, Sonic, Looney Tunes, Mortal Kombat, Scooby Doo, etc...
No, this has not been agreed upon.
- If this is accepted, I will make a separate post that goes over how Fortnite and it's characters would be impacted in terms of Tiering.
You should really do that now so that we can be sure you are not trying to scale Fortnite characters to egregiously high tiers like High 1-A.
 
Well if Fortnite says it's canon, and Marvel says it's canon, and DC says it's canon, and Invincible says it's canon, then I think that's enough for me to think it's probably canon.

Agree, however I do think the tier 0 and multiple omniverses issue mentioned by others needs to be addressed.

- You are speaking truth my friend.

- Regarding the Tier 0, it is only with DC and a few solutions have been proposed. I'll let you know.
 
Saying that Fortnite is canon to Marvel and DC Comics creates egregious contradictions such as: multiple Tier 0s in the same cosmology which is explicitly not allowed by our standards and highly conflicting lore.


- Only DC here has a Tier 0 and the only issue will be with the story of creation.

- Scaling wouldn't be unreasonably affected at all because these Verses only ever interact when needed (when the companies want).
 
Well if Fortnite says it's canon, and Marvel says it's canon, and DC says it's canon, and Invincible says it's canon, then I think that's enough for me to think it's probably canon.
No. A few Marvel and DC writers that are not the absolute authority on Marvel and DC have stated they consider the crossovers to be canon. A few writers have no authority over such cosmological lore.
 
- Only DC here has a Tier 0 and the only issue will be with the story of creation.
It is explicitly against our site standards to have multiple Tier 0s.
- Scaling wouldn't be unreasonably affected at all because these Verses only ever interact when needed (when the companies want).
Explain in more precise detail where Fortnite will end up scaling according to your proposals.
 
If OP's proposals are to be accepted, we would have to say that the Zero Point, The Presence, and the Divine Creator are in actuality the same being or something similar which is obviously extremely illogical and would likely only make our scaling more egregiously nonsensical and inconsistent alongside causing canon and timeline issues. I firmly disagree with any attempt to scale Fortnite based off other verse's feats rather than their own feats within the game.
 
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This doesn't indicate a shared canon, Marvel constantly publishes crossover comics with many different companies.

However there is no shared continuity here.

Maybe this single comic line can be considered canon but this would not apply to the entire Marvel Comics cosmology.

This doesn't mean anything.

Donny Cates is one writer who has not written for Marvel in years and as such should not be considered the absolute voice of authority.

We can still only scale Fortnite characters through their own feats rather than leeching off other franchieses as it causes lots of egregious contradictions.

These statements are merely promotional material trying to hype up the crossover, they are not indications that Fortnite and Marvel share a cosmology.

Again, this is not an indication that Fortnite and Marvel share a cosmology. The expansion of Marvel as a brand through crossovers with Fortnite is different from a canonical expansion of Marvel's cosmology.

Again, a few crossover comic lines are not sufficient evidence for a shared cosmology when Marvel does crossover comics all the time without any care for maintaining consistency or fitting events into any cohesive timeline because said crossovers are not canon.

This statement is not an indication that Marvel and Fortnite share a cosmology.

This is again just promotional hype.

Yes, the comics were obviously approved for publication by Marvel otherwise they wouldn't exist. Marvel technically approved every crossover comics it has made to be published but that doesn't mean said crossovers are canon.

There is no "true story of creation" because there is no shared continuity in the first place.

I'll address the rest later.

This doesn't indicate a shared canon, Marvel constantly publishes crossover comics with many different companies.
- Dude, that was just an introduction to what I would be addressing.


However there is no shared continuity here.
- Again, just an introductory statement.


Maybe this single comic line can be considered canon but this would not apply to the entire Marvel Comics cosmology.
- What is this implying? How can something be half canon? If the comic is Canon to Earth-616 which is connected and canon to the rest of Marvel's Cosmology, how can you then say it doesn't apply? Are you implying Earth-616 isn't connected and Canon to the rest of its own Cosmology? Under what basis did you come to that conclusion?

- Regardless, for scaling purposes, my intent was to have only Earth-616 (and its adjacent Earths like Earth-617) be used however, your reasoning as to why it would not apply to the entire Marvel Comics Cosmology is off.


This doesn't mean anything.
- Saying it does not mean anything while also no providing any reason as to why that is the case is the reason these post are filled with a bunch of text but do not progress anywhere.

- Also, last time I checked, a company making a statement about what is or isn't Canon to their Continuity means everything and is the highest level of authority. I would like to know who you think has a higher authority than the company itself.


Donny Cates is one writer who has not written for Marvel in years and as such should not be considered the absolute voice of authority.
- Right, so just because someone doesn't do anything anymore means they never did it and that their authority doesn't matter? Khabib hasn't fought professionally since October of 2020, so does that mean what he has to say about his fights and experience doesn't matter?

- If only Marvel (the company) said Fortnite was Canon to it, you would say that it doesn't mean anything because the actual writer of the comic didn't say or confirm it as well.

- But now, both the company and the writer is telling you that Fortnite is Canon to Marvel and takes place in its main Continuity. How much more clear does it get than that yet you still find a way to complain.

- Who has more authority, the company and a comic writer or us (me and you) regarding what is or isn't canon to their Continuity? You can think that Donny Cates' voice doesn't matter but he himself who actually worked and wrote the comic says otherwise and Marvel them selves quoted his work and his statement and say the same thing he said so clearly they are in agreement.

- To me, the company and the creative team have the absolute authority to determine what is or isn't Canon to their storyline and if the company and the writer agree and say the same thing, I think that's more than good enough.

- And do you know the reason why he has not written comics for a while? Its because he got in a car accident. So you completely left that part out.

- And do you the rights that writers have over the comics they right? This isn't like back then where the company owns everything and controls everything; these days, both the company and writer work together and hold rights over the work they write/publish. It is mutual.

- And do you have a statement from Donny Cates or Marvel saying his word doesn't matter or that the comics he wrote don't mean anything?

- Marvel and DC have had many writers with different views and opinions (conflicting) yet they're all still used to determine the Cosmologies. Read this page on the wiki dude. And it's not even an issue of conflicting ideas here because Donny Cates wrote both of the comics lol.


We can still only scale Fortnite characters through their own feats rather than leeching off other franchieses as it causes lots of egregious contradictions.
- I haven't even scaled a character outside their feats like what? I know how Cross scaling work and you have to remember that inside of The Loop, all of the characters are nerfed and stripped of their memories and powers so it would be absurd to try and scale them like they are at their peaks.

- That is not the intent here at all. The intent here is to establish an agreed understanding of what's Canon to Fortnite and vice versa.

- You also mention egregious contradictions while also not listing any.


These statements are merely promotional material trying to hype up the crossover, they are not indications that Fortnite and Marvel share a cosmology.
- Right right, so statements clearly talking about Continuity by the company AND the creative team don't mean anything because apparently they are only promotional and meant for hype.

- Do you seriously believe this? by this logic, every statement is invalid because in truth, they are all meant to create hype around something.

- Like why do you just assume that when I've listed statements outside of promotional content from the company and the creative team that confirm the Canonicity? And are you saying all promotional statements cannot be true?

- If a promo stated that Superman is faster than a speeding bullet, would you say that he's not because that statement is apparently only for hype and cannot at be true at all?

- If by your logic, any statement that is made during an event is considered only for hype and promo, what is valid then?

- This is a seriously flawed way because you are literally told how the crossover came to be and how it naturally flows and connects to both Continuities involved yet you still find a way to complain about it. Mark Basso literally tells you: "One of the most exciting things about the crossover is how naturally it keeps a foot both in Fortnite and the Marvel Universe. We had a lot of great creative discussions between Marvel and Epic Games about where our storylines could cross over naturally, and seeing how prime a target the Fortnite Island would be for Galactus, who Donny Cates had already been exploring in his THOR series, set the whole thing into motion.

- He is literally explaining to you how the Crossover came to be and how it is Canon to both Continuities! How much more clear do you want it to get dude because themselves are telling you straight to your face that: "Set in Marvel Comics Continuity, the events of NEXUS WAR take place between the panels of THOR (2020) #4, which released this past March."

- The company, the writer, the editor and the whole creative team are yelling at your face, telling you that this is Canon. i don't think you understand how clear this and how throwing the word "promotional material" does not mean anything at all because these statements were also made outside the promo window.

- What qualifies as promotional material to you? How do you determine which is valid and which is not? You've provided none of that and have just trhown that word in like it would mean anything.


Again, this is not an indication that Fortnite and Marvel share a cosmology. The expansion of Marvel as a brand through crossovers with Fortnite is different from a canonical expansion of Marvel's cosmology.
- The point of that was to show it is something agreed upon by the whole company and that it is an authentic Crossover into the World of Fortnite.


Again, a few crossover comic lines are not sufficient evidence for a shared cosmology when Marvel does crossover comics all the time without any care for maintaining consistency or fitting events into any cohesive timeline because said crossovers are not canon.
- I would agree with you except for the fact that they go out of their to tell us that it is Canon many many times. Just because non Canon Crossovers exist doe not mean they all are. What type of thinking is that?

- Also, do you know the driving factor behind this Crossover that made it different from some of the rest? It is because it was one that actually took place in the main Continuity aka is Canon. This is literally one of the reasons that made this Collaboration so special. Donald Mustard and the creative team have talked about this many times and I have included the statements which you should read.

- It gets even better when you are literally shown the timeline of whne these events happen in the main Marvel Continuity as shown with characters like Thor, Wolverine as such. They lietrally went above and beyond and shwoed you that this really did happen in Canon.

- Gwenpool literally tells us (me and you) that it is a Tie-In. How are you going to see Gwenpool herself telling you this and yet you still find a way to complain?


This statement is not an indication that Marvel and Fortnite share a cosmology.
- You missed the whole point. This is to show that it is not just a throw away event and that it actually matters from the creative team itself.


This is again just promotional hype.
- Again, throwing this word out while also not providing any reasoning as tp why it is and under what measure you determine what is and isn't and whether it can be used or not.

- Also because of the fact that its stated outside promotional material as well.


Yes, the comics were obviously approved for publication by Marvel otherwise they wouldn't exist. Marvel technically approved every crossover comics it has made to be published but that doesn't mean said crossovers are canon.
- You once again missed the whole point.

- The point was to show that a Crossover event made in both Continuity and confirmed to be Canon is approved by the whole company.

- If I didn't include that, you would say that EIC didn't approve so its invalid.

- The companies agree, the creative team agrees, the EIC and CCO agree. Who genuinely has more authority than these people for you to say their words mean nothing?


There is no "true story of creation" because there is no shared continuity in the first place.

I'll address the rest later.
- I would agree if it wasn't for the fact that all of the authoritative figures involved agree and have established a shared Continuity.

- I'll very much take their word over others.
 
No. A few Marvel and DC writers that are not the absolute authority on Marvel and DC have stated they consider the crossovers to be canon. A few writers have no authority over such cosmological lore.


- Yeah right because Marvel themselves have absolutely no idea what their Continuity is or how it works and all the statements they make apparently mean nothing and can just be ignored.

- And of course, Jim Lee (DC's CCO and Publisher) himself and Scott Snyder are so clueless on their own characters and their own Continuity to point where they can't even determine what is or isn't Canon to it.


- I'm telling you, if there were no author statements, you would be asking for them because they're the ones who wrote the material. But now you have the companies, creative team and writers telling you the same thing yet you are still not satisfied.

- What is the point of Canon Crossovers if you cannot accept them as Canon despite the Authoritative figures telling us that it is Canon and takes place within the main Conitnuity?
 
- What is this implying? How can something be half canon? If the comic is Canon to Earth-616 which is connected and canon to the rest of Marvel's Cosmology, how can you then say it doesn't apply? Are you implying Earth-616 isn't connected and Canon to the rest of its own Cosmology? Under what basis did you come to that conclusion?
Just because a few comic lines feature the crossover does not mean Fortnite shares a cosmology with Marvel.
- Regardless, for scaling purposes, my intent was to have only Earth-616 (and its adjacent Earths like Earth-617) be used.
Please explain to me in great detail how this will impact Fortnite's statistics and powers & abilities.
- Saying it does not mean anything while also no providing any reason as to why that is the case is the reason these post are filled with a bunch of text but do not progress anywhere.
How exactly does this indicate a shared cosmology.
- Also, last time I checked, a company making a statement about what is or isn't Canon to their Continuity means everything and is the highest level of authority.
Marvel did not explicitly state that Marvel and Fortnite take place in the same cosmology or that the two franchises are canon to each other.
- Right, so just because someone doesn't do anything anymore means they never did it and that their authority doesn't matter?
Donny Cates is one out of many people who have written for Marvel. I don't care if he said Fortnite and Marvel share a cosmology. I don't care if he said the crossover is canon. The reality is that treating the crossovers as canon and cross-scaling between the verses only causes egregious inconsistencies.
Khabib hasn't fought professionally since October of 2020, so does that mean what he has to say about his fights and experience doesn't matter?
I don't care about this other person. Stop bringing irrelevant topics into this.
- If only Marvel (the company) said Fortnite was Canon to it, you would say that it doesn't mean anything because the actual writer of the comic didn't say or confirm it as well.
This is a hypothetical that doesn't mean anything. Accuse me of whatever you like but it won't help your argument. I'm not going to address other comments you make like this. It's pointless.
- To me, the company and the creative team have the absolute authority to determine what is or isn't Canon to their storyline and if the company and the writer agree and say the same thing, I think that's more than good enough.
It doesn't matter what you think. I can think that a single High 1-B feat out of ten billion 9-A ones is sufficient for an upgrade but that doesn't make my argument any better.

- And do you have a statement from Donny Cates or Marvel saying his word doesn't matter or that the comics he wrote don't mean anything?
I don't have to prove a negative. You are the OP. You are the one who is supposed to prove that Donny Cates' word is enough.
- Marvel and DC have had many writers with different views and opinions (conflicting) yet they're all still used to determine the Cosmologies. Read this page on the wiki dude.
Said different views are also why DC's cosmology is split into three.

- I haven't even scaled a character outside their feats like what? I know how Cross scaling work and you have to remember that inside of The Loop, all of the characters are nerfed and stripped of their memories and powers so it would be absurd to try and scale them like they are at their peaks.
You should explicitly state this in the OP because it is crucial information for staff to know.

- You also mention egregious contradictions while also not listing any.
Multiple Tier 0s.
- Right right, so statements clearly talking about Continuity by the company AND the creative team don't mean anything because apparently they are only promotional and meant for hype.
Stop putting words in my mouth. I am stating that no matter how many times the crossover is advertised, it doesn't make it any more canon. I genuinely couldn't care if the crossover is advertised a quintillion times because it doesn't make it any more canon than if it wasn't advertised at all.
- Do you seriously believe this? by this logic, every statement is invalid because in truth, they are all meant to create hype around something.
Stop overextrapolating my statements to make me look worse on purpose.

And are you saying all promotional statements cannot be true?
No.
- If a promo stated that Superman is faster than a speeding bullet, would you say that he's not because that statement is apparently only for hype and cannot at be true at all?
False equivalence. Superman has shown hundreds of hypersonic feats.
- If by your logic, any statement that is made during an event is considered only for hype and promo, what is valid then?
That's not what I said. STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH.
- This is a seriously flawed way because you are literally told how the crossover came to be and how it naturally flows and connects to both Continuities involved yet you still find a way to complain about it. Mark Basso literally tells you: "One of the most exciting things about the crossover is how naturally it keeps a foot both in Fortnite and the Marvel Universe. We had a lot of great creative discussions between Marvel and Epic Games about where our storylines could cross over naturally, and seeing how prime a target the Fortnite Island would be for Galactus, who Donny Cates had already been exploring in his THOR series, set the whole thing into motion.
This is a statement that they put effort into the crosso
- He is literally explaining to you how the Crossover came to be and how it is Canon to both Continuities! How much more clear do you want it to get dude because themselves are telling you straight to your face that: "Set in Marvel Comics Continuity, the events of NEXUS WAR take place between the panels of THOR (2020) #4, which released this past March."
This tells us where the events take place, not that its canon.
- The company, the writer, the editor and the whole creative team are yelling at your face, telling you that this is Canon. i don't think you understand how clear this and how throwing the word "promotional material" does not mean anything at all because these statements were also made outside the promo window.
What you think I understand is genuinely irrelevant and pointless.
- What qualifies as promotional material to you? How do you determine which is valid and which is not? You've provided none of that and have just trhown that word in like it would mean anything.
I'm not going to respond to any further comments you make like this. Stop asking me these questions. It doesn't make your argument any better.
- The point of that was to show it is something agreed upon by the whole company and that it is an authentic Crossover into the World of Fortnite.
This is just not provably true at all.
- I would agree with you except for the fact that they go out of their to tell us that it is Canon many many times. Just because non Canon Crossovers exist doe not mean they all are. What type of thinking is that?
Show me even a single statement from Marvel, NOT A SINGLE WRITER, that explicitly states that Marvel and Fortnite share a cosmology and that the crossover is canon on both sides. Advertisements are not sufficient evidence. Please stop over extrapolating statements like "we worked hard on this" or "this crossover is an exciting story" or "yes the events did happen" to say that the crossover is canon.

The rest of your statements is just you repeating the same stuff I already addressed.
 
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