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Moira MacTaggert page creation (Marvel Tier 1 character)

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The best mutant is one that hardly a mutant, am I right fellas?

Here we go. I described extensively why she is 1-A in Notes at the botton, but basically she can affect Earth-616, with all the sub realities and realms, which is 1-A.

Also, X-Gene was created by Oneg the Prober, a Celestial. As such, 1-A power comes from 1-A source, no disqualifiers here.

Also also, check my cool renders.

I have to admit, my respect for Marvel page makers went out the Earth, this took me ages.
 
I agree with tomfer
In all seriousness though everything looks good, except Moira being a supergenius, those statements seem to more so mean that both her and reed richards are smart not that she’s as smart as reed Richards
 
Rgerdeena said:
I agree with tomfer
In all seriousness though everything looks good, except Moira being a supergenius, those statements seem to more so mean that both her and reed richards are smart not that she’s as smart as reed Richards
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She isn't SG only because of that, but Supremor specifically lists her as one of the "only mind brilliant enough to stand in the way of kree invasion". So she is in the top 5 of his list... hell, technically above Antman.
 
MrKerf said:
She isn't SG only because of that, but Supremor specifically lists her as one of the "only mind brilliant enough to stand in the way of kree invasion". So she is in the top 5 of his list... hell, technically above Antman.
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What else on her profile that suggest SG?, because I don’t see anything else that makes her supergenius, and I don’t see how she’s technically smarter than ant man when Hank were both on the list, and she could just be the least intelligent of the five
 
Rgerdeena said:
What else on her profile that suggest SG?, because I don’t see anything else that makes her supergenius, and I don’t see how she’s technically smarter than ant man when Hank were both on the list, and she could just be the least intelligent of the five
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I mean... she created a way to travel between her past lives, iterations of Eternity but even more complex. Hope thought it was impossible to do even from the WHR.

But that's beside the point. My main point is that Supremor isn't some rando, so his claim is valid enough. I doubt Moira is smarter than Hank, but she is in their rought "realm" of smarts.
 
MrKerf said:
I mean... she created a way to travel between her past lives, iterations of Eternity but even more complex. Hope thought it was impossible to do even from the WHR.
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I think that’s fine for supergenius then
But that's beside the point. My main point is that Supremor isn't some rando, so his claim is valid enough. I doubt Moira is smarter than Hank, but she is in their rought "realm" of smarts.
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I don’t think all 5 being able to stand in the way of the kree empire means their all in the same realm of thought, it just means their all smarter than the kree, which isn’t supergenius
 
We should preferably only give characters Supergenius ratings based on their own sum total feats, which are nowhere near high enough for Moira, not scale by subjective and variable unproven casual assessments by writers or their character mouthpieces. 🙏
 
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Nope. Her feats simply aren't nearly that high, and the scan in question was also from an apparent joke story sequence. 🙏
 
Antvasima said:
Nope. Her feats simply aren't nearly that high, and the scan in question was also from an apparent joke story sequence. 🙏
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Not that I particularly care (since it doesn’t matters long term), but what about 1-A range of teleportation isn’t Supergenius?

Plus, while that was less serious of a story, statement is still true, as every other character mentioned is very much in top 5 of smartest, and made by a credible enough source.

Also, will you comment on anything else, please?
 
Supergenius is such an extreme rating that we need very reliable consistent feats for it, not just a casual joke sequence. Supergenius means literally infinite intelligence to warp reality almost in any way via inventions up to an infinite scale.

How does she have 1-A teleportation technology? I thought that she just destroyed realities by reincarnating. 🙏
 
Antvasima said:
Supergenius is such an extreme rating that we need very reliable consistent feats for it, not just a casual joke sequence. Supergenius means literally infinite intelligence to warp reality almost in any way via inventions up to an infinite scale.

How does she have 1-A teleportation technology? I thought that she just destroyed realities by reincarnating. 🙏
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Bro, does no one read my pages T_T

Basically, you know Mysterium? The White Hot Room Metal? She figured out a way to combine it with Adamantium and Xorn’s black hole energy to travel between her past lives.
 
Okay, but that is still just one feat, and is contingent on Mysterium which inherently exists beyond conventional space and time. She needs far greater demonstrated versatility in order to qualify for Supergenius.

Also, the unreliable casual joke comparison with Reed Richards should be removed from your draft.

Btw: How was Moira stopped from rewriting the past in that story? 🙏
 
Antvasima said:
Okay, but that is still just one feat, and is contingent on Mysterium which inherently exists beyond conventional space and time. She needs far greater demonstrated versatility in order to qualify for Supergenius.
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Indeed, she suffers from being side character for majority of her existence.
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Also, the unreliable casual joke comparison with Reed Richards should be removed from your draft.
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Noted, but I won't be changing my draft while the CRT is ongoing, in case others want to give their input as well.
Antvasima said:
Btw: How was Moira stopped from rewriting the past in that story? 🙏
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Do you remember Forge's depowering gun, from... I want to say back in 90s... maybe? Mystique and Destiny depowered her and aside from Moira's Engine she didn't have her mutant status from that point till the end of Krakoa.
 
Yes, I remember that, but wasn't the time travel device separate from her former mutant power? 🙏
 
Antvasima said:
Yes, I remember that, but wasn't the time travel device separate from her former mutant power? 🙏
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Oh, you're asking how they beat her when she had Weapon M? Well, she world-hopped through her lives, eventually crossing paths with "Dead X-Men" team which was trying to stop her (but doing the similar thing she was doing, but from the WHR). They manage to grab her and Rachel sends all of them back into her reality, where Orbis Stellaris (remember him? clone of Mr Sinister) automatically drags the piece of Mysterium from Weapon M, in his attempt to ascend into Dominionhood. Moira couldn't fight at that point, having no arms, and so was killed by Juggernaught falling on top of her.
 
Antvasima said:
Thank you for the explanation, and has Moira stayed dead afterwards? 🙏
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Yep T_T

Though after Krakoa ended and Phoenix killed Enigma, she created an offshoot timeline specially for her, where she wasn't a mutant (which you can see in the last image of the gallery section). Otherwise, yeah she dead.
 
Well, I think that your draft seems fine except for that she should "only" have an Extraordinary Genius intelligence rating. 🙏
 
🤔 Ant, you tagging in non-staff puts me in a weird position, as I am unsure if their approval counts towards voting rights…
 
No, I just thought that knowledgeable members are able to offer useful input here. 🙏
 
I've already verified the file prior on Discord, it's good.

My only concern was that I don't think the High 8-C should be "at least, far higher" since I don't think we list Sunfire tier at that level on the wiki (his strength level is a key on Rogue's file)
 
Well, I think that we need more staff approval than just me here. 🙏
 
Seems alright, with the proposed thread revisions in mind ofc
 
Thank you for helping out. 🙏❤️
 
Thank you. What has been accepted here (everything except for Supergenius intelligence based on an offhanded mention in a joke story) can probably be applied then. 🙏
 
I have done so. Should I close this thread as well now? 🙏
 
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