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Eternity, Infinity, Absolute, Omnipotent, and Omniscient​
 
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I don't think this is necessary since barely anyone knows about YTSY, and even if they do, they know it through VSBW, which is only for powerscaling...

Anyway, to start this as a discussion thread:

Did Ian become a Great Existence by the fifth book? He's often called as "Guide" in his own novel, and he DOES guide others with his prophecy. In the fifth book, [Guidance] is mentioned alongside [Innovation], and going by the third novel, names in bracket refer to a Great Existence.
 
Livinaa said:
I don't think this is necessary since barely anyone knows about YTSY, and even if they do, they know it through VSBW, which is only for powerscaling...

Anyway, to start this as a discussion thread:

Did Ian become a Great Existence by the fifth book? He's often called as "Guide" in his own novel, and he DOES guide others with his prophecy. In the fifth book, [Guidance] is mentioned alongside [Innovation], and going by the third novel, names in bracket refer to a Great Existence.
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Ian and Su Zhou are just Torrents in the 5th book
 
More scans for universes in Above The Sky:

The speed of light. That the speed of light cannot be surpassed is the ironclad law of the "normal physical universe." But where does this "normalcy" come from? Can only a universe cognizable and understandable by human logic be called normal? And are those universes that transcend human understanding, or are merely conceived as human fantasies, "abnormal" and "should not exist"?

Not so. The universe holds infinite possibilities. This body, which seemed to contain a thousand stars, was not currently situated in a "baryonic universe" where the speed of light cannot be surpassed. Instead, it was in a "tachyonic universe" where the base speed is the speed of light. Here, just as accelerating matter to the speed of light requires infinite energy, decelerating "matter" to the speed of light also requires infinite energy.
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Dark closed her eyes. She recalled the very beginning of her birth. The pitch-black ocean contained infinite possibilities and logics, countless axioms and concepts.

She was a tree. A tree of axioms growing out of the deep, infinite void. She came from choice and was born of logic—robust and vast, towering and sturdy.

And around her stood countless, infinite trees of axioms of the same kind. They were weak, slender, unable to grow or expand, capable only of maintaining simple forms of existence.

Dark suddenly thought of an analogy: a planet as complex and massive as Terra, teeming with countless forms of life, versus a pure water planet composed entirely of hydrogen and oxygen.

Even if both had the exact same mass and the same number of atoms as far as the universe was concerned, the possibilities they could breed were vastly different. They might indeed have originated from the same "node of choice" and been made of hydrogen and oxygen at first, but one formed Terra, and the other formed a massive sphere of water.

One emerged with many elegant theorems from its axioms, while the other remained fragile and singular.

Precisely because she was such a complete tree of axioms, she was able to be born.

And the difference between her and the parent body, the Swarm of a Thousand Stars, lay in...

She was based on a certain [incomplete theorem].

An undecidable theorem, one where an infinite set cannot infer a conclusion or deduce its entire picture.

In this universe, there exist things that are "actually true" but untouchable, unreachable, unprovable, and unanalyzable by human logic or any artificial logical system.

Mathematics is just such a logical system. As a man-made tool, mathematics is not a system the universe naturally possesses. Yet behind mathematics, there still lies a "conceptual universe of mathematics," a "prototype universe" that transcends human logic and indeed all logic.

A kind of truth.

Humans are a race unable to see truth or touch the Great Dao. Living in the universe, although humans can see electromagnetic waves, touch physical matter, hear the oscillation of waves, perceive the activity and deceleration of molecules, and smell the characteristics of specific molecular structures... it is far, far too little.

To the universe, humans are still blind.

Though mathematics is merely an artificially constructed logical system, it can serve as a cane in the hands of the blind, guiding humanity to explore some aspects of the "world of ideas."

Yet precisely because it is an incomplete tool, human mathematics discovers that there exists a kind of mathematically real truth whose paradigm transcends any established formal system. Its very existence reveals the limitations of logical tools themselves—meaning that starting solely from axioms and using basic logical rules, one cannot construct, prove, or decide all other propositions.

Within any set of mathematical theories, there must exist undecidable propositions. A set of mathematical logic can only prove a portion of mathematical truths, while "complete mathematics" itself is inexhaustible.

And within this inexhaustible sequence of theories, simply extracting any part of it can generate a specific kind of "solution" to truth.

Take the Continuum Hypothesis, for example.

Many sets are infinite. Between 0 and 1, there are countless real numbers scattered like stars in the sky.

Real numbers are uncountable, and their set is larger than that of integers. Does an infinite set exist between the set of real numbers and the set of integers?

This question is undecidable in a logically straightforward system like set theory; auxiliary hypotheses must be added.

Through such hypotheses, these "perhaps true, perhaps false" axioms can yield many different versions of "mathematics."

—The universe is just such a "solution."

Some universes bred from uncountable mathematics, like the "tachyonic space-time" adopted by the spark of the Thousand Stars, have the speed of light as a lower limit. There is no speed limit, and space-time distance and evolution cannot be marked by movement.

Other universes lack a conventional—conventional to human logic—space-time foundation. They are a transcendent whole, a mutually encompassing hyper-structure.

Some universes are static from the very beginning; everything is a predetermined process, as solid and real as bedrock.

Some universes are entirely static, existing as three-dimensional cross-sections arranged in four dimensions.

Still other universes, including their infinite parallel space-times, are a complete, integrated whole, where every event has a definite "value."

There is no past, present, or future—or rather, the reality of its past, present, and future are all entirely equivalent.

And then there are universes that consist of nothing but a single "monad" from beginning to end. The consciousness of this monad is itself a ring, an endless cycle.

From the beginning to the source, the Star Gods constructed the most basic logic of existence and non-existence, and from this logic constructed countless universes, obtaining infinite and uncountable solutions.

That is, truly infinite universes and their respective independent infinite parallel space-times.

And all of these universes contain life.

Life that is vastly different from humans, yet still life.

Reflected in the "Swarm of a Thousand Stars," this translates to "breeding different offspring."

Within the spark of the Thousand Stars lies an incomplete catalog of metamathematical variants. By selecting and computing through this catalog, countless different solutions can be obtained via "undecidable hypotheses."

—Life is just such a "solution."

A logical system cannot become complete simply by containing enough straightforward arithmetic axioms; these axioms will always construct statements that can neither be proven nor disproven. By using these statements as additional axioms to enrich itself, it can obtain countless solutions that "originate from itself, yet differ from itself."

That is, infinite offspring.

Because all of this is incomplete, infinitely many different versions of mathematics will spread out like "trees," extending branches. Every "Child of a Thousand Stars" is a "tree of axioms" bred from the spark of the Thousand Stars.

They are life forms compatible with this "Terra Aether Universe," absolutely capable of surviving and growing strong within it—a kind of life that "made its choice before birth."

The spark of the Thousand Stars is such a vast, self-superimposing catalog of complete logical systems, using this method of filtering to breed offspring that originate from itself but are entirely different.

The Beast of a Thousand Stars truly mimicked the way the Star Gods hatched universes, constructing its original form: the spark that hatched a thousand stars.

The universe is the child of the Star Gods. The Star Gods stand "outside the logical universe," atop the Path-Unifying armament named the "Great Aether Circulation," encompassing all existence. They are the creators residing outside of logic, the first prime mover.
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Surrounded by countless stars, Ian indeed saw the "End."

The many "Ends" of the universe.

The thermal death of the [Cloud of Extinction], squirming in silent darkness, waiting in this timeless eternal instant.

The tearing of the [Boundless Void], where the light of countless stars drifted further away, until the universe ground to a halt in perpetual motion, destined to return to total emptiness.

The shattered timelines of the [Chaotic Dendrogram], where the space-times of infinite parallel universes intersected and merged. The utter destruction of one parallel universe after another yielded enormous energy, but this energy birthed not rebirth, but countless forms of undefinable chaos—indescribable high-energy universes devoid of time, space, or vectors, with only constantly rising energy levels and absolute destruction.

The [Singular Star] where all returned to a supermassive black hole. All matter merged into a single black hole under the tear of gravity; everything was thrown into chaos under extreme gravity, temporal axes warped, time reversed, and an instant became eternity.

The [Great Illusion of Oblivion] where the universe originated from the movement of a single monad, and the monad ground to a halt. Everything was the dream of the monad, driven by the monad, the will of Entelechy... yet It chose to stop, halting the Great Illusion, causing the universe to perish and return to the void.

Many, many more...

The [Mad Heavens] with scrambled constants, the [Unborn Egg] with restored broken symmetry, the [Samsara Wheel of Nirvana] caught in an endless iterative cycle of space-time...

Just as the Star Gods could use countless ways to create universes—whether a universe with an infinite speed limit, a universe with backward-flowing time, a universe where the speed of light is viscous, a universe with altered physical laws, a universe where the sum of a triangle's angles exceeds or is less than 180 degrees, or a foreign universe completely independent of the mother universe with entirely abnormal mathematical laws—they could create them and nurture life within them.

And the End was the "termination" of all "creation."

Everything happened in a single instant.

On Terra—this inverted Kabbalah based on the power set of natural numbers defined by Cartesian product, unreachable from bottom to top via basic arithmetic—the Star Gods had always engaged in an infinite game of perfect information against the End on the first tree of axioms, a Suslin tree where every chain (branch) and antichain was at most countable.

When the End won, the Terran universe would collapse into the single outcome of the minimal element; conversely, if the Star Gods won, the branching number (possibilities) of the universe would be infinite.

This was their war: beginningless and endless, infinite and boundless, as fleeting as an instant yet eternal.
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Everything originated from the void, a place of silent extinction where nothing existed—the source of truth and the Great Dao, a nothingness transcending emptiness.

The Star Gods were born from it. They were the first beam of light to shine upon the void, the first grain of dust to condense in the wind, the first peaceful sleep and dream, the first note and word singing of destiny.

The light shone upon the dark dreams. They created everything, and their creation was the infinite universe itself.

Be it the [Pure Universe] of mind and infinite possibilities, the [Imperial Score] whose trajectory was written by destiny, the [Ancient Sea] of cycling life and death, the [Mortal Realm] where the vast majority of life resided, the [Abnormal Realm] where most anomalous universes hovered, or the indescribable [Folly Land] where all was beyond description.

These were the [Created Things]—everything was it. Light, shadow, fire, water, dust, boulder, gale, frost, human, beast, the intelligent, the mindless, all that could be described by words and all that could not, everything with a name and everything nameless, all existence was this [Created Thing].

Humanity was born within it. Humans looked upon this created thing and called it the universe. It was endless, ever-present, infinitely possessing all. All things relied on it to exist; all space-time and matter were part of it, and all possibilities and existences were merely part of its set.

Except for one thing.

The "void" itself.

All existences, tangible or intangible, metaphysical or physical, must ultimately confront the "void" of the eternal future. The moment the [Created Thing] was made, this inevitable destiny was sealed, even if it would only occur in the infinitely distant future.

But since it will happen, it means it has already happened.

That is the [End].

The [End] was originally just a possibility, like someone being born and everyone saying "he will die"—a dull prophecy, a meaningless assertion.
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Aether was an all-purpose tool created based on psionic power. Whether modifying cosmic constants, altering mathematical laws, reshaping the universe, or creating a universe, everything fell within its capabilities.
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In just an instant, he crossed over this high wall that had blocked almost every prior Ian, arriving in the outer world.

In the pitch-black universe, everything was dim. All stars had been extinguished or protected by their cradles; there was not even a sliver of starlight. Only pure silence and darkness occupied the space-time of the entire universe.

Yet, Ian could see. Just as he had seen when he used the deep-space shuttle to reach the outside before, by using aetheric power to transcend space-time and viewing through the lens of infinite parallel space-times, he could see a river.

A river of cradles rushing and circulating endlessly!

The surging black torrent rushed through the silent universe. Countless cradles spun and flowed, rotating in straight curves within the infinitely vast universe.

Infinite cradles were connected by cosmic strings. This river of cradles—an infinite ring of space-time—rotated across the entire infinitely vast universe. It churned space-time, turning the entire universe into a Gödel metric universe where space-time could be easily reversed. It was even more complex, linking endless parallel space-times.

Teal pathways spread. The universe split into countless tributaries, and each tributary could derive countless more tributaries. This endless branching itself was infinite, and the power of the Star Gods was the axis of it all, turning all derivations into light that rotated around them.

Immense space-time mass and causality formed the infinite cradles into a cosmic-scale ring.

And the center of the universe—the center of the ring—was the singularity void of all twisted cradles, leading to all parallel space-times and even outside the universe.

Thus, Ian could so easily and simply utilize his immortality to search other parallel space-times and project his presence.

The silver-teal star, like a straight ray of light, left the Terra Cradle and hurtled toward the center of the universe.

And a ball of pitch-black shadow, the twisting and churning End, followed closely behind, devouring all light as it pursued the star.

No.

Even more than that.

As the colossal aether spread across space-time, in various space-times, a large number of "Ends" frozen in place—Ends that did not belong to the "Terra Cradle"—also sensed Ian's brilliance. They shifted directions and surged toward him!

Countless pitch-black branches spread through the vacuum.

Front and back, left and right, above and below, the End struck from all directions, like some indescribable giant beast clenching its fist to snuff out and shroud the light.

But it could never catch or bind all the light.

The origin of the universe: the Star Gods.

The termination of the universe: the End.

The two, destined never to touch, constructed a ring due to aether that transcended space-time, giving rise to infinite conflict.

The End was destined to chase the aether, to chase the Star Gods.

This was the true goal of the Star Gods.

They preserved all civilizations within cradles, ensuring every cradle was protected by a perpetual motion engine or a Star God, and then withdrew all the aether in the universe.

Subsequently, through the cosmic voids opened by the infinite rings of cradles, they collectively departed the [Aether Universe], heading toward the void outside the universe.

In this way, as Star Gods whose reality was higher than the universe itself, they could draw away the vast majority of the most dangerous Ends, leading them to fight outside the universe after their departure.

Leaving behind a quiet universe.

Of course, using the infinite cradle rings to open cosmic voids and head into the wider void would also cause information from other universes to flood in.

The original Ian was precisely that piece of information—a true soul that arrived here through a mixture of accident and miracle.

A miracle, yet not a miracle.

All causality had its inevitabilities, but at this very moment, Ian's actions... were a miracle!

Soon, Ian also entered the tachyonic universe where speed was infinite. He continued toward the center of the universe, and the End followed without any regard for logic.

But where was the center of the universe?

That was a non-existent concept. The universe was infinitely vast, having no center. Even if it did, it was an unreachable destination, because just like the edge of the universe, it required "infinite time to reach."

Unless one knew the "destination."

As long as the destination was known, the process could be skipped.

Using the most fundamental power in [Aether]... the power Ian called the [Path of Ultimate Distance], all processes could be skipped!

If it were an average Star God, they might need a vast span of time to observe the center of the universe through aether before setting off—but Ian was different.

The original Ian originated from this cosmic void in the first place. He had come from the [Central Cosmic Void]; his origin, the origin of his transmigration, the origin of the story, was right there!

Therefore, the "destination" was already known.

Even if he did not agree with or approve of this approach, the newborn Star God still utilized that power—because he wanted to stand on the shoulders of giants to go further, and then solve all the problems this approach brought.

Light flared. In this very instant, the Path of Ultimate Distance was activated.

What kind of feeling was it?

In this moment, Ian transcended space-time, arriving at the center of the universe.

In this moment, he saw the void, and the scene beyond it.

It was called...

[—The Glacial Void—]

It was a crystalized, frozen void, resembling solidified amber or an icy clean ocean.

In the stagnant nothingness, countless dim crystals were dejectedly pieced together. Within the silent void, darker than dark, deep and colossal objects lay stagnant.

Those were universes—one after another, entirely different, born of different foundations.

Ian gazed at these darknesses, silently staring at this darkness that was darker than the vacuum of space, darker than the End.

This void was so dead and cold, desolate and quiet... it possessed no future whatsoever, existing only as a lifeless ruin.

It was darkness. A pitch-black cage.

It was the prison of losers, the dungeon of the denied, the place where burned-out ashes settled—the Glacial Void.

Everything trapped here was merely a prisoner of destiny. Great seals enveloped everything; not an inch of land could be called free.

Beyond the Heaven's Prison of the Prisoner Star, there still lay seals imprisoning universes, imprisoning even greater existences.

Precisely because the void was frozen, the cosmic void was so dark, appearing as if completely empty.

Yet...

"I see. So this is the place where the Star Gods want to lead the End."

The silent youth stared at that darkness, yet a smile bloomed on his face—a smile of pure emotion and anticipation.

"How interesting," he said from the bottom of his heart. "It seems that beyond Terra, there are still far more truths and mysteries waiting for me to explore."
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Star Gods would get possibly CM type 1, Pseudo Type 5 Acausality, Mathematical Manipulation, Logic Manipulation, NEP, and PP.
 
Of course, using the infinite cradle rings to open cosmic voids and head into the wider void would also cause information from other universes to flood in.

The original Ian was precisely that piece of information—a true soul that arrived here through a mixture of accident and miracle.

A miracle, yet not a miracle.

All causality had its inevitabilities, but at this very moment, Ian's actions... were a miracle!
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Also a case where Miracle granted Eternity lol
 
Rakih_Elyan said:
Ian and Su Zhou are just Torrents in the 5th book
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Huh, that's strange. I thought the Bottomless Abyss only went unsealed in the 5th novel?

After all, when Su Zhou became a Great Existence, the Bottomless Abyss was still sealed.
 
Livinaa said:
Huh, that's strange. I thought the Bottomless Abyss only went unsealed in the 5th novel?

After all, when Su Zhou became a Great Existence, the Bottomless Abyss was still sealed.
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A fragment of Bottomless Abyss is sealed in the Great Seal, and it is also apparently the Hundred Demon Lords, aka the True Spirit of the Multiverse. The protagonist, An Jing, is the Bottomless Abyss itself.
 
I think the term for Torrents in 5th book is Immortal Emperor, iirc. Which are what Su Zhou and Ian were called in the 5th book.
 
Rakih_Elyan said:
Spoiler:
A fragment of Bottomless Abyss is sealed in the Great Seal, and it is also apparently the Hundred Demon Lords, aka the True Spirit of the Multiverse. The protagonist, An Jing, is the Bottomless Abyss itself.
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So the events of the fifth book happens at the same time as the third book? Interesting. I'm waiting for the official translation of the fifth book to finish before i read it, so i don't know much about the plot of the fifth book.

So while Su Zhou is spreading love all over the Sealed Multiverse, An Jing is suffering the invasion of monsters/errors, and rejecting/denying all the horrible possibilities caused by the Bottomless Abyss.
 
On Su zhou's Earth Immortal key, he got AE1 on "[Power]". But what exactly does that mean and how do you interact with it?
The scan says divine powers, so does that mean he got AE1 on [Divine power]?
 
God_of_perversion said:
On Su zhou's Earth Immortal key, he got AE1 on "[Power]". But what exactly does that mean and how do you interact with it?
The scan says divine powers, so does that mean he got AE1 on [Divine power]?
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Divine Powers, or Divine Abilities, are powers unique to a particular person and their Path or Dao, and they fuse with one's cultivation at the Human Immortal Stage. For more details on Divine Powers and Su Zhou’s specific abilities, you can check his Notable Techniques section, where they’re all listed.

When someone becomes an Earth Immortal, they no longer simply use Divine Abilities; they become those abilities. These Divine Abilities can then be taught or bestowed upon others, forming a legacy.

The bodies of Earth Immortals are merely avatars. They cannot truly be erased from existence unless every trace of what they represent is wiped out. In this case, that means erasing every trace of their Divine Abilities, as well as everyone they have passed those abilities on to, whether through teaching or bestowal.
 
ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
Divine Powers, or Divine Abilities, are powers unique to a particular person and their Path or Dao, and they fuse with one's cultivation at the Human Immortal Stage. For more details on Divine Powers and Su Zhou’s specific abilities, you can check his Notable Techniques section, where they’re all listed.

When someone becomes an Earth Immortal, they no longer simply use Divine Abilities; they become those abilities. These Divine Abilities can then be taught or bestowed upon others, forming a legacy.

The bodies of Earth Immortals are merely avatars. They cannot truly be erased from existence unless every trace of what they represent is wiped out. In this case, that means erasing every trace of their Divine Abilities, as well as everyone they have passed those abilities on to, whether through teaching or bestowal.
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Oh, thank you for the information
Divine power is also a h1a smurf, right? So you need h1a range to interact with Earth Immortals,right?
 
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Oh, thank you for the information
Divine power is also a h1a smurf, right? So you need h1a range to interact with Earth Immortals,right?
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They are smurfed in terms of what they can affect, but they're not cosmological. You can still interact with them with a good enough NPI. As for range, it can be High 1-A if their legacy is spread across the Multiverse.
 
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They are smurfed in terms of what they can affect, but they're not cosmological. You can still interact with them with a good enough NPI. As for range, it can be High 1-A if their legacy is spread across the Multiverse.
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Transcendents ate Initial Flame and becoming Source of the Multiverse itself, does the Infinite Hierarchy of them makes them beyond Infinitely Greater Concepts? And Great Existence's Concept Manipulation is beyond them.
 
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I'm curious about something: I'm reading Above the Sky (Chapter 405) and I wanted to know—could the Ascension system have a Path? Since every Ascended being possesses the power of their bloodline, I don't see how they could have a Path like the Path of the Creators or the Path of Infinity. But I could be wrong, as I saw some future chapters mentioning that Fifth-Level beings could alter the weather. (And yes, I used a translator to write this question, hence the writing style.)
 
O_herrscher_das_sombras said:
I'm curious about something: I'm reading Above the Sky (Chapter 405) and I wanted to know—could the Ascension system have a Path? Since every Ascended being possesses the power of their bloodline, I don't see how they could have a Path like the Path of the Creators or the Path of Infinity. But I could be wrong, as I saw some future chapters mentioning that Fifth-Level beings could alter the weather. (And yes, I used a translator to write this question, hence the writing style.)
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It's directly called a path in some of the first few chapters.
 
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It's directly called a path in some of the first few chapters.
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Yes, I’m aware of that part, but what I meant was how this would be handled on the Paths page—how it would work in practice. I mean, on the Path of Infinity, Immortals can use Dimensional Travel—an ability available to everyone—whereas the Path of Ascension relies much more on abilities linked to the individual's lineage; for instance, the Wave Singer lineage grants water-based abilities, while the Immovable City confers abilities more aligned with the earth element. It seems more like a Path that grants specific abilities for each lineage, rather than a set of universal skills that anyone on that Path can use.
 
O_herrscher_das_sombras said:
Yes, I’m aware of that part, but what I meant was how this would be handled on the Paths page—how it would work in practice. I mean, on the Path of Infinity, Immortals can use Dimensional Travel—an ability available to everyone—whereas the Path of Ascension relies much more on abilities linked to the individual's lineage; for instance, the Wave Singer lineage grants water-based abilities, while the Immovable City confers abilities more aligned with the earth element. It seems more like a Path that grants specific abilities for each lineage, rather than a set of universal skills that anyone on that Path can use.
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They still have overarching abilities between them, including the absorption and assimilation of bloodlines, etc. The rest would just be listed as unique abilities to the profiles.
 
It is funny that the only protagonists with alive parents are just Su Zhou and An Jing lol
 
YTSY books are actually have amazing worldbuilding and plot, the powerscaling is just a bonus atm.

Terra is a unique setting, and the AP of the characters are also only around tier 7-5.
 
Confirmed that Ian isn't the Pioneer via WoG

Ian is, of course, not the great existence known as "[The Pioneer]" from previous novels. However, there has never been just a single pioneer, and the future will inevitably lead down different paths.
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Rakih_Elyan said:
YTSY books are actually have amazing worldbuilding and plot, the powerscaling is just a bonus atm.

Terra is a unique setting, and the AP of the characters are also only around tier 7-5.
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Where would you rate the books in writing?
I might actually start reading them
 
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