Kid Monkey vs Fox Girl (Goku vs Miyabi) (9-8-0)

[Naito-desu]

Voting Miyabi fra

 

[Pyro9278]

Yeah, overpowered someone weaker than him. You can't exactly overpower someone stronger than you (Unless you exhaust them first anyways).

Goku and Tao Pai Pai exchanged attacks several times; in fact, Goku had a first encounter where he almost died.

The Analytical Prediction is decent, but as you said that required him being overwhelmed at first. The difference is being overwhelmed at the start is fatal for Goku because Miyabi has a sharp weapon and an AP advantage. He's at best getting a deep cut that causes deep arterial bleeding, at worst losing a limb at two and spewing blood like a hose. Both of which would cause his stamina to dwindle quickly. The rest are hardly skill feats that matter. Killing someone with a pressure point hardly means much, and levitating with a pillar doesn't come even close to matching Miyabi's acrobatics.

Goku doesn't need to be overwhelmed by Miyabi to use AnPr; I think that's actually... contrary to the nature of AnPr? Goku is supposed to be able to keep up with someone as skilled as Tao Pai Pai. I think being able to kill someone just by using your tongue as a pressure point speaks volumes about the level of technique required. And yes, I admit that levitating a pillar isn't any more impressive compared to Miyabi, but it's still quite a feat.

I'm not sure if it's a auto-correct thing, but why do you keep calling Miyabi he? You looked at Miyabi's profile right? Also what's this about "letting himself be cut." That wasn't an argument. Miyabi's skilled, aggressive, and acrobatic enough to land a blow. Miyabi's acrobatics are beyond anything demonstrated in Dragon Ball, Goku won't handle it well because he's never faced anything on that level before.

My bad, spellcheck problems. You're misunderstanding. I mean, Goku isn't going to just stand there and let her cut him down if he can anticipate a fighter with aggressive and agile maneuvers. Goku isn't being overwhelmed by Miyabi's acrobatics alone. Are they better? Yes, but he can still maneuver to dodge dozens of bullets from various directions and even jump between rooftops while being chased by the Red Ribbon Army. He even reacts and maneuvers with his Power Pole to compensate, and if that's not enough, he has his Flying Nimbus, which allows him to do this.

Soul damage stuff got removed a while ago IIRC. Now it's just soul NPI. It's also unlikely Miyabi gets hit by this when

Oh, I thought I still had it. Anyway, the Damage Boost is high enough to be a problem for Miyabi.

1. She is extremely acrobatic and could easily weave it (especially since it needs to be charged)
2. Counter it with her own slashes, or a spatial cut that cuts the Kamehameha and Goku clean in half.

Miyabi might just have the AP to cut the Power Pole in half. Even if you want to argue she doesn't despite having a cutting weapon and an ap advantage, she has spatial cuts which can negate its durability and cut the Power Pole (and Goku who wouldn't expect the Power Pole to be cleaved through so easily) in half. I would argue it's almost a disadvantage because Goku would trust in the power pole's ability and not expect it to be split so effortlessly by an attacking ignoring durability. Which would result in him getting caught in the attack and dying.

Although it requires a charge period, Goku can actually launch it quite quickly; in fact, he's seen using it repeatedly with only a few seconds of charge. However, the biggest problem would be aiming it correctly at Miyabi.

Cutting her isn't impossible either, considering she has cuts capable of slicing through space. However, does her space manipulation really work like Duraneg's? Apparently, it can literally cut space-time, but I don't know if it actually affects those within it like Vergil does with Yamato. If that's the case, I think Miyabi is more likely to win.

Goku can extend his Power Pole and push Miyabi before she can react; he can literally blizz her. He could simply knock her down before she can react or even disarm her, something that, I emphasize, could happen considering the massive gap in LS.

I don't think the gap in skill is so large this matters (Goku is more skilled in H2H, I don't think anyone disagrees there. Just that the gap isn't so large that this manifests as an overwhelming issue), especially when Miyabi is infinitely more nimble, which is an advantage for her. I would recommend you watch this clip of just ONE display of her skill and acrobatics:

Technically, it does matter, especially since Goku has the advantage of LS and could surpass her in both AP and speed as the fight progresses. Someone more skilled with these advantages wouldn't leave Miyabi any chance. And it doesn't help that Miyabi could tire very quickly due to the stamina difference.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Goku and Tao Pai Pai exchanged attacks several times; in fact, Goku had a first encounter where he almost died.

You said Yamcha was overpowered. I wasn't talking about Tao.

Goku doesn't need to be overwhelmed by Miyabi to use AnPr; I think that's actually... contrary to the nature of AnPr?

That is not contrary to AnPr because there are different types of AnPr. There is pattern recognition/memorization based Analytical Prediction. A handful of characters come to mind where they see someone use a move or how they fight, and now know the attack so well they would never get hit by it again. Your description of Goku's Analytical Prediction made it seem as though he had this type:

His true feat is defeating Tao Pai Pai, who was overwhelming him, going from being beaten to being able to read his attacks with AnPr.

Goku is supposed to be able to keep up with someone as skilled as Tao Pai Pai. I think being able to kill someone just by using your tongue as a pressure point speaks volumes about the level of technique required. And yes, I admit that levitating a pillar isn't any more impressive compared to Miyabi, but it's still quite a feat.

I'm not saying pressure points require zero skill, but it isn't of much substance. A person can learn pressure points without learning martial arts or any sort of self defense. Like yes, killing someone with your tongue is vaguely skilled, but all that means is he's good at touching pressure points. That doesn't show how he's skilled in the many other facets that go into skill like coordination, balance, agility, tactics/strategy, deduction/prediction, etc.

My bad, spellcheck problems. You're misunderstanding. I mean, Goku isn't going to just stand there and let her cut him down if he can anticipate a fighter with aggressive and agile maneuvers. Goku isn't being overwhelmed by Miyabi's acrobatics alone. Are they better? Yes, but he can still maneuver to dodge dozens of bullets from various directions and even jump between rooftops while being chased by the Red Ribbon Army. He even reacts and maneuvers with his Power Pole to compensate, and if that's not enough, he has his Flying Nimbus, which allows him to do this.

The gun one isn't that impressive. While running on walls is okay, really all he did there was run faster than they could aim at him which just requires moving in one direction. This isn't like he was surrounded from all sides and disco dancing to evade every single bullet coming at him simultaneously or anything crazy like that (plus these guys seem to have storm trooper aim. They couldn't hit him even when he was standing completely still).

The flight is a good mobility option, but in acrobatics he's still greatly gulfed. Here's a another clip to demonstrate:


If I knew the series I'd guess she upscales other characters who have other insane acrobatic feats too. For any of the ZZZ fans, I'd recommend sending in the best acrobatic showcases that Miyabi upscales from (I remember one girl being surrounded and solo'ing a military fleet from some other match-up, but I'd say dig for more than that)

Oh, I thought I still had it. Anyway, the Damage Boost is high enough to be a problem for Miyabi.

Sure, I don't disagree with that.

Although it requires a charge period, Goku can actually launch it quite quickly; in fact, he's seen using it repeatedly with only a few seconds of charge. However, the biggest problem would be aiming it correctly at Miyabi.

Sure, I've seen most of DB, he can definitely fire it quick if he needs to. I'm not sure if he gets better at throwing them out more quickly in Z than in the OG series, but a few seconds is a considerable amount of time considering Miyabi's acrobatics and ability to send several slashes of energy at the opponent instantly without charge up. Aiming it would be considerably difficult considering how she can bounce around like a nutjob, yeah (She also has after-images, but I'm unsure how much this actually helps her in combat).

Cutting her isn't impossible either, considering she has cuts capable of slicing through space. However, does her space manipulation really work like Duraneg's? Apparently, it can literally cut space-time, but I don't know if it actually affects those within it like Vergil does with Yamato. If that's the case, I think Miyabi is more likely to win.

I mean even without the spatial cut she has an AP advantage and is using a sword. She'd be able to cut limbs off regardless of the spatial hax.

Also, I think it is dura neg since the example of her using it literally has her cutting a dude clean in half they were just fighting:

Goku can extend his Power Pole and push Miyabi before she can react; he can literally blizz her. He could simply knock her down before she can react or even disarm her, something that, I emphasize, could happen considering the massive gap in LS.

Sure, that's a fair point. Granted he would need to aim it at her first when she's constantly flash-stepping and leaping all around him. I almost imagine after getting tagged by it once, she'd make sure to avoid it even more actively from that point on via aim-dodging or attacking before he aims it at her.

Technically, it does matter, especially since Goku has the advantage of LS and could surpass her in both AP and speed as the fight progresses. Someone more skilled with these advantages wouldn't leave Miyabi any chance. And it doesn't help that Miyabi could tire very quickly due to the stamina difference.

The stamina point is valid because her stamina section is one of the most barren I've seen on the wiki bar profiles that literally don't even explain the stat and just expect you to trust them (Which is technically also the case for Miyabi since hers has no links). I'm not sure if she has good stamina feats or not, but I don't imagine the fight would go on long enough for stamina to be an issue. Miyabi's win-con revolves around a shorter fight since it relies on either cutting him in half, or dismembering him and causing him to bleed out in a short period of time.

I don't think it's an easy win, but I imagine Miyabi could take it in a high diff fight.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Honestly this entire fight is a good example of some rather spectacular acrobatics and general movement. She can borderline fly:

 

[Sooshirohl]

Honestly this entire fight is a good example of some rather spectacular acrobatics and general movement. She can borderline fly:

yeah this is what i was referring to in regards to miyabi's acrobatics. she can straight up just casually jump hundreds of meters in the air without breaking a sweat lol. i don't think any attempts goku can try to make of shaking her off are really going to affect her when she can do stuff like this

If I knew the series I'd guess she upscales other characters who have other insane acrobatic feats too. For any of the ZZZ fans, I'd recommend sending in the best acrobatic showcases that Miyabi upscales from (I remember one girl being surrounded and solo'ing a military fleet from some other match-up, but I'd say dig for more than that)

i think you're referring to caesar who, yeah also has some fairly impressive showings of acrobatics. there's also showings like this and this of characters being acrobatic while fighting against hordes of enemies, which miyabi should just upscale from

The stamina point is valid because her stamina section is one of the most barren I've seen on the wiki bar profiles that literally don't even explain the stat and just expect you to trust them (Which is technically also the case for Miyabi since hers has no links). I'm not sure if she has good stamina feats or not, but I don't imagine the fight would go on long enough for stamina to be an issue. Miyabi's win-con revolves around a shorter fight since it relies on either cutting him in half, or dismembering him and causing him to bleed out in a short period of time.

ZZZ just unfortunately doesn't have a lot of super impressive on-screen stamina showings. miyabi's best stamina feat would probably be during the events of virtual revenge where she fights against a horde of ethereals while trapped in a VR world. it's vaguely implied that she was in there for at least a few hours while yanagi got kicked out, though how long she was fighting for isn't specifically stated, and it also isn't clear whether or not she was actually fighting for the entire duration or if she had opportunities to take breaks in between

she also has a more minor feat of standing place for 9 hours straight, but i'm not really sure if i'd consider that super notable lol

 

[Sooshirohl]

Oh, I thought I still had it. Anyway, the Damage Boost is high enough to be a problem for Miyabi.

kinda already got mentioned but yeah kamehameha is never landing on miyabi with how agile she is, even if goku tries to bend it to catch her off guard. also, miyabi has her own damage boosting methods, on top of being able to hamper goku down with constant freezing. getting frozen constantly while also getting cut dozens of times is going to wear him down fast enough to the point where i don't think his stamina advantage will be able to really be notable, as laser mentioned

 

[LaserPrecision]

ZZZ just unfortunately doesn't have a lot of super impressive on-screen stamina showings. miyabi's best stamina feat would probably be during the events of virtual revenge where she fights against a horde of ethereals while trapped in a VR world. it's vaguely implied that she was in there for at least a few hours while yanagi got kicked out, though how long she was fighting for isn't specifically stated, and it also isn't clear whether or not she was actually fighting for the entire duration or if she had opportunities to take breaks in between

she also has a more minor feat of standing place for 9 hours straight, but i'm not really sure if i'd consider that super notable lol

I guess it's better than nothing. I'd prolly put that in the profile if I were ya'll.

 

[Pyro9278]

You said Yamcha was overpowered. I wasn't talking about Tao.

Yamcha could fight Goku. They could both react to each other's attacks, and Yamcha even sent Goku flying with one of his attacks. I don't think Goku was overpowering him since Yamcha could keep up.

That is not contrary to AnPr because there are different types of AnPr. There is pattern recognition/memorization based Analytical Prediction. A handful of characters come to mind where they see someone use a move or how they fight, and now know the attack so well they would never get hit by it again. Your description of Goku's Analytical Prediction made it seem as though he had this type:

I don't know if the translation didn't make it clear, but I'm referring to the fact that Goku previously faced Tao Pai Pai and lost almost to death, while in their second encounter he even surpassed him in skill with his AnPr, which, by the way, he had also trained with Karin, so it's not just about memorizing the moves. Goku doesn't need to be overwhelmed to use his AnPr.

I'm not saying pressure points require zero skill, but it isn't of much substance. A person can learn pressure points without learning martial arts or any sort of self defense. Like yes, killing someone with your tongue is vaguely skilled, but all that means is he's good at touching pressure points. That doesn't show how he's skilled in the many other facets that go into skill like coordination, balance, agility, tactics/strategy, deduction/prediction, etc.

You're right that pressure points can be used or learned even without martial arts, but one thing doesn't negate the other. First, because there's a big difference between an ordinary person or an animal instinctively knowing that striking the back of the neck, eyes, or nose can be harmful, and a martial artist being able to professionally apply a lock and twist your joints or strike a specific point and cause nerve damage. Tao Pai Pai would need to have a very good knowledge of the points he's going to attack and, above all, precision to achieve it that way, which also requires coordination. It's not that pressure points are more important, it's not as you're referring to it; it's more that the feat is more remarkable in its skill than it seems.

The gun one isn't that impressive. While running on walls is okay, really all he did there was run faster than they could aim at him which just requires moving in one direction. This isn't like he was surrounded from all sides and disco dancing to evade every single bullet coming at him simultaneously or anything crazy like that (plus these guys seem to have storm trooper aim. They couldn't hit him even when he was standing completely still).

The flight is a good mobility option, but in acrobatics he's still greatly gulfed. Here's a another clip to demonstrate:


If I knew the series I'd guess she upscales other characters who have other insane acrobatic feats too. For any of the ZZZ fans, I'd recommend sending in the best acrobatic showcases that Miyabi upscales from (I remember one girl being surrounded and solo'ing a military fleet from some other match-up, but I'd say dig for more than that)

I know, but I'm using it as a reference for what Goku is capable of, since he's not exactly static compared to Miyabi. Although Miyabi definitely has a mobility advantage that allows her to flank Goku's attacks, she wouldn't have it easy landing attacks on him either, especially considering her AnPr and also that she seems to have enhanced senses better adapted for combat.

Sure, I've seen most of DB, he can definitely fire it quick if he needs to. I'm not sure if he gets better at throwing them out more quickly in Z than in the OG series, but a few seconds is a considerable amount of time considering Miyabi's acrobatics and ability to send several slashes of energy at the opponent instantly without charge up. Aiming it would be considerably difficult considering how she can bounce around like a nutjob, yeah (She also has after-images, but I'm unsure how much this actually helps her in combat).

Yes, but I think it's still something to consider, especially since Goku can find ways to corner her or put her in a situation where it's difficult for her to dodge. (I think afterimages are a good example, however, they're also overshadowed by Goku's enhanced senses).

I mean even without the spatial cut she has an AP advantage and is using a sword. She'd be able to cut limbs off regardless of the spatial hax.

Also, I think it is dura neg since the example of her using it literally has her cutting a dude clean in half they were just fighting:

Ki attacks are much higher than base AP so Miyabi wouldn't be able to cut it normally, except for his spatial cut, which doesn't really seem to be Duraneg from what we've seen.

Sure, that's a fair point. Granted he would need to aim it at her first when she's constantly flash-stepping and leaping all around him. I almost imagine after getting tagged by it once, she'd make sure to avoid it even more actively from that point on via aim-dodging or attacking before he aims it at her.

The stamina point is valid because her stamina section is one of the most barren I've seen on the wiki bar profiles that literally don't even explain the stat and just expect you to trust them (Which is technically also the case for Miyabi since hers has no links). I'm not sure if she has good stamina feats or not, but I don't imagine the fight would go on long enough for stamina to be an issue. Miyabi's win-con revolves around a shorter fight since it relies on either cutting him in half, or dismembering him and causing him to bleed out in a short period of time.

I don't think it's an easy win, but I imagine Miyabi could take it in a high diff fight.

Yeah. Probably the main problem would be Goku catching up to her, however it is quite likely that, if Miyabi closes the distance at some point, Goku will be able to use this. Even more so if Goku is going to be increasing his abilities with AD as the fight progresses.

The lack of scans is definitely a problem, but I think Goku still has a significant enough stamina advantage to say that Miyabi needs to end the fight quickly or she'll be overwhelmed. Furthermore, this doesn't even take into account that she'll also end up taking some damage or will have to work hard to keep up, and it could become even more difficult if Goku starts adapting to her fighting style or improving his physical abilities with AD.

Miyabi would have to aim and cut an artery or a vital point for Goku to collapse, and yet, Goku should still be able to handle that if he has enough energy to train for days or fight even with a hole in his chest or shoulder (which should also involve a sacred wound, even if internal).

 

[Davi009997]

Does this version of Goku still have his tail?

 

[Pyro9278]

Does this version of Goku still have his tail?

Yeah

 

[MannyQ361]

That is not contrary to AnPr because there are different types of AnPr. There is pattern recognition/memorization based Analytical Prediction. A handful of characters come to mind where they see someone use a move or how they fight, and now know the attack so well they would never get hit by it again.

In his first fight against Tao, Goku couldn't land a hit on him outside of the Kamehameha. But after training with Korin, Goku was able to anticipate Tao's next attacks.

I'm not saying pressure points require zero skill, but it isn't of much substance. A person can learn pressure points without learning martial arts or any sort of self defense. Like yes, killing someone with your tongue is vaguely skilled, but all that means is he's good at touching pressure points. That doesn't show how he's skilled in the many other facets that go into skill like coordination, balance, agility, tactics/strategy, deduction/prediction, etc.

Here Tao was able to redirect a bullet a shot from behind. Before Korin's training, Goku could evade Colonel Silver's attacks without looking, who could beat several pro boxers at once.

The gun one isn't that impressive. While running on walls is okay, really all he did there was run faster than they could aim at him which just requires moving in one direction. This isn't like he was surrounded from all sides and disco dancing to evade every single bullet coming at him simultaneously or anything crazy like that (plus these guys seem to have storm trooper aim. They couldn't hit him even when he was standing completely still).

There's also this instance where Goku blocks bullets with the power pole and here where he snuck up on the RR soldiers.

Sure, I've seen most of DB, he can definitely fire it quick if he needs to. I'm not sure if he gets better at throwing them out more quickly in Z than in the OG series, but a few seconds is a considerable amount of time considering Miyabi's acrobatics and ability to send several slashes of energy at the opponent instantly without charge up. Aiming it would be considerably difficult considering how she can bounce around like a nutjob, yeah (She also has after-images, but I'm unsure how much this actually helps her in combat).

Against Krillin, he was able to charge the Kamehameha while running and to propel himself, though it is a later showing. But he has used it for propulsion at this point.

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

Miyabi FRA

 

[Pyro9278]

I have a question regarding these cases: are we supposed to be in the discussion period for Grace, or did the thread end a while ago?

 

[Ball_of_light]

Put me down for Goku. He should take this at least 55% of the time. Karin's entire regimen was designed to force Goku to read the strict physics of an opponent: tracking breathing, predicting movements via minor air currents, and eliminating wasted motion. Goku possesses high-level Analytical Prediction. He can anticipate Miyabi’s sword paths before she swings and combine that with Afterimage Creation (Zanzoken), Goku can easily exploit Miyabi's tendency to rush straight into CQC, leaving her swinging at illusions while he repositions for a blind-spot strike. Goku’s stamina is also Superhuman. He climbed the massive Korin Tower for days without food or rest, and immediately engaged in high-intensity combat right after. If the fight somehow stalls, Miyabi flags long before Goku does. Not saying it will be easy but I believe he wins more times than not.

 

[Sooshirohl]

I have a question regarding these cases: are we supposed to be in the discussion period for Grace, or did the thread end a while ago?

i didn't expect this thread to get extended and go on for this long ngl so i honestly have no idea lol

 

[Sooshirohl]

Ki attacks are much higher than base AP so Miyabi wouldn't be able to cut it normally, except for his spatial cut, which doesn't really seem to be Duraneg from what we've seen.

i mean it's dura neg in the sense that it's just spatial manipulation. the attack splits a hollow in half which themselves are essentially just pocket masses that manipulate space upon entering them. goku doesn't resist spatial manip so if that attack lands squarely on him he's just getting split in half

Yeah. Probably the main problem would be Goku catching up to her, however it is quite likely that, if Miyabi closes the distance at some point, Goku will be able to use this.

i don't see miyabi getting caught off guard by the power pole suddenly extending towards her even if she's in point blank range, especially when fighters of miyabi's caliber are able to react instantaneously to similar point blank attacks

Miyabi would have to aim and cut an artery or a vital point for Goku to collapse, and yet, Goku should still be able to handle that if he has enough energy to train for days or fight even with a hole in his chest or shoulder (which should also involve a sacred wound, even if internal).

wearing him down with dozens and dozens of slashes is going to make getting that opportunity a lot easier for her if goku's struggling to fight while he's bleeding out from dozens of cuts all across his body, and miyabi constantly freezing him over and over again as she continuously attacks him is only going to wear him down even more as the fight progresses. at that point, miyabi shouldn't have that much trouble just continuously attacking him until he eventually bleeds out, or if she manages to cut one of his limbs off that's just going to speed up that process even faster and limit goku's options for counterattacking even more

 

[Pyro9278]

i mean it's dura neg in the sense that it's just spatial manipulation. the attack splits a hollow in half which themselves are essentially just pocket masses that manipulate space upon entering them. goku doesn't resist spatial manip so if that attack lands squarely on him he's just getting split in half

In that case, I'll change my vote to Miyabi. But first, I'll answer the rest.

I don't see miyabi getting caught off guard by the power pole suddenly extending towards her even if she's in point blank range, especially when fighters of miyabi's caliber are able to react instantaneously to similar point blank attacks

The issue isn't that Miyabi is caught off guard, as she's actually too acrobatic to avoid it if she's aim dodging. The problem is that the Power Pole extension is relativistically fast, and according to the rules of speed equalization, the Power Pole maintains its speed.

wearing him down with dozens and dozens of slashes is going to make getting that opportunity a lot easier for her if goku's struggling to fight while he's bleeding out from dozens of cuts all across his body, and miyabi constantly freezing him over and over again as she continuously attacks him is only going to wear him down even more as the fight progresses. at that point, miyabi shouldn't have that much trouble just continuously attacking him until he eventually bleeds out, or if she manages to cut one of his limbs off that's just going to speed up that process even faster and limit goku's options for counterattacking even more

Yes, that's the point that's been discussed quite a bit. The thing is, Goku has: Anpr, enhanced senses which, from my point of view, are more practical for combat, better stamina, a massive LS gap, and then there's the Flying Nimbus to compensate for any acrobatic issues Goku might have. Oh, and the AD, which would also allow him to surpass Miyabi in speed and AP very quickly.

But I'll change my vote to Miyabi. With her acrobatics, ice attacks, and a potential Duraneg attack, I think that should be enough for her to at least win with High Diff. Maybe Extreme Diff if the fight drags on or if Miyabi hesitates to attack a child because of their personality.

 

[Sooshirohl]

But I'll change my vote to Miyabi. With her acrobatics, ice attacks, and a potential Duraneg attack, I think that should be enough for her to at least win with High Diff. Maybe Extreme Diff if the fight drags on or if Miyabi hesitates to attack a child because of their personality.

yeah i think it's very high diff either way, i get the arguments for goku winning, i just think miyabi wears him down and takes him out before he can drag the fight out to a war of attrition

 

[FlowStateOB]

looking at both arguments I think oku got this one. He definitely has the endurance to outlast her and even the skill, a hard fight either way.

Drop me down for Goku.

 

[AyOgUyS]

Wait. Wouldn't Kid Goku be protected by Bardock's wish?

 

[Sooshirohl]

Wait. Wouldn't Kid Goku be protected by Bardock's wish?

that only applies to the manga version of kid goku. this is the toei version so he doesn't have that protection from bardock's wish

though even if he did, the wish only protects him from dying young, he can still be rendered unconscious. miyabi could still probably just knock him out or he'd likely just eventually pass out from blood loss if he was getting cut dozens of times

 

[AyOgUyS]

that only applies to the manga version of kid goku. this is the toei version so he doesn't have that protection from bardock's wish

ah oki mb

 

[Naito-desu]

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