His name is Walter. Walter Young. (need staff)

[Mbpoops]

If gravity did have the same force regardless of dimension then why didnt welt use like any of his other gravity abilities to do this and why did he need to understand the dimensions? He specifically needed singularity rebuild ryusuke even negates basic soe powers earlier in the manga
Hell welt even comments in the scan that gravity is different in the alien space

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Now I see why bro scaled Sirin to High 1-C, The AP of the Gravity’s force is the same in all dimensions. This the peak meta. OP go change the proposal to upscaling all those who scale beyond SE Welt and Sirin to High 1-C because allegedly mfs be tanking the force of High 1-C gravity for free.

 

[Mbpoops]

Theres slso that one genshin shade they can make black holes so genshin also gets H1-C

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

I’m pretty sure this would qualify as smurf hax. If gravity, by cosmology’s design, operates on a higher-dimensional level, then gravity would inherently possess higher-dimensional potency as long as the user is manipulating the gravity of those higher dimensions. The user’s AP obviously would not scale to a universal level, but they would still be capable of harming higher-dimensional beings through the nature of the gravity being manipulated.

I suppose this could also grant 11D range.

 

[Mbpoops]

I’m pretty sure this would qualify as smurf hax. If gravity, by cosmology’s design, operates on a higher-dimensional level, then gravity would inherently possess higher-dimensional potency as long as the user is manipulating the gravity of those higher dimensions. The user’s AP obviously would not scale to a universal level, but they would still be capable of harming higher-dimensional beings through the nature of the gravity being manipulated.

its not really welt's physical AP that scales moreso the attack he used since the attack can manipulate gravity at with higher force, but this makes more sense than gravity having the same force on every dimension

also ive heard that the only smurf is 1-A

im moreso ok with this response, it would just be the higher dimensional manip indexed at 11D

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

also ive heard that the only smurf is 1-A

It depends on the ability. Existence Erasure being capable of erasing higher-dimensional beings would qualify as smurf range rather than smurf potency, since there is no inherent reason erasing a higher-dimensional being would require more power than erasing a lower-dimensional one.

The only relevant distinction would be whether the ability can reach or affect that higher-dimensional target in the first place.

 

[Mbpoops]

It depends on the ability. Existence Erasure being capable of erasing higher-dimensional beings would qualify as smurf range rather than smurf potency, since there is no inherent reason erasing a higher-dimensional being would require more power than erasing a lower-dimensional one.

The only relevant distinction would be whether the ability can reach or affect that higher-dimensional target in the first place.

so the smurf is for HDE/BDE? i guess that makes sense

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

The user’s AP obviously would not scale to a universal level, but they would still be capable of harming higher-dimensional beings through the nature of the gravity being manipulated.

Does this mean hes attacking people with low 1-c to High 1-c Gravity force attack potency but he himself is not getting the rating and is just smurf correct.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Does this mean hes attacking people with low 1-c to High 1-c Gravity force attack potency but he himself is not getting the rating and is just smurf correct.

Yeah, since he's manipulating something that naturally has that potency already, but is doing so through the range of his Gravity Manipulation.

 

[Mbpoops]

It depends on the ability. Existence Erasure being capable of erasing higher-dimensional beings would qualify as smurf range rather than smurf potency, since there is no inherent reason erasing a higher-dimensional being would require more power than erasing a lower-dimensional one.

The only relevant distinction would be whether the ability can reach or affect that higher-dimensional target in the first place.

just one more question that came to mind

so welt can see and understand higher dimensions which is the only reason why he can use the attack at a higher dimensional level, would that still be smurf?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

just one more question that came to mind

so welt can see and understand higher dimensions which is the only reason why he can use the attack at a higher dimensional level, would that still be smurf?

Would just be an aspect of his ability, with understanding equaling range.

That and Cosmic Awareness, I guess?

 

[Mbpoops]

Would just be an aspect of his ability, with understanding equaling range.

That and Cosmic Awareness, I guess?

alr thats reasonable thank you!

 

[Mbpoops]

Would just be an aspect of his ability, with understanding equaling range.

That and Cosmic Awareness, I guess?

hax fine but no scaling right before i add to op

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

hax fine but no scaling right before i add to op

Hax & Range

 

[Mbpoops]

Hax & Range

kk ty

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Yeah, since he's manipulating something that naturally has that potency already, but is doing so through the range of his Gravity Manipulation.

Would Environmental damage fit here too since he can destroy the dimensions by utilizing the higher dimension’s gravity to destroy it?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Would Environmental damage fit here too since he can destroy the dimensions by utilizing the higher dimension’s gravity to destroy it?

Did he destroy an entire higher dimension? Not even sure how that would work cosmologically, is there one less higher dimension now?

 

[PedjaTarzan]

what about rest of verse that utilises gravity/black hole stuff?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Did he destroy an entire higher dimension? Not even sure how that would work cosmologically, is there one less higher dimension now?

He did nuke the sugar space dimension in the scans of the OP

 

[Mbpoops]

Did he destroy an entire higher dimension? Not even sure how that would work cosmologically, is there one less higher dimension now?

so its like... ryusuke creates a new dimension that views the lower reality as fiction and welt destroys the entire thing so i mena kinda..?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

what about rest of verse that utilises gravity/black hole stuff?

They would need range and scale to someone, or have evidence of being able to affect higher-dimensional gravity.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

so its like... ryusuke creates a new dimension that views the lower reality as fiction and welt destroys the entire thing so i mena kinda..?

He did nuke the sugar space dimension in the scans of the OP

Then, Environmental Destruction seems fine; a singularity is basically a cascade effect after they're initiated.

 

[Voidnether]

Does that mean we can finally abuse the 11-D smurf meta again

 

[Mbpoops]

Does that mean we can finally abuse the 11-D smurf meta again

go look at acheron vs anti spiral bro

 

[PedjaTarzan]

They would need range and scale to someone, or have evidence of being able to affect higher-dimensional gravity.

I can only think abt Kiana since she has all authorities including the ones from Star of Eden and Welts Herrscher Of Reason, eh Kevin too since he also has authority of finality. not sure about rest hi3 profiles

 

[Voidnether]

go look at acheron vs anti spiral bro

WE ARE SO BACKKK

 

[Mbpoops]

Then, Environmental Destruction seems fine; a singularity is basically a cascade effect after they're initiated.

yea he straight up shatters it

 

[Mbpoops]

I can only think abt Kiana since she has all authorities including the ones from Star of Eden and Welts Herrscher Of Reason, eh Kevin too since he also has authority of finality. not sure about rest hi3 profiles

its all herrschers because of the OP.

 

[Mbpoops]

its all herrschers because of the OP.

the reason why welt needed to ascend his mind was because he originally was a human who inherited a herrscher core from a pure herrscher (joyce) every other herrscher should be able to do this by default as long has they are in possession of the authority of stars (so literally only mfs who use SoE and herrscher of stars)

 

[Mbpoops]

Because it is literally how gravity works in the verse, or rather the brane cosnology that the verse use, Welt can't reach Ryuusuke, until he realizes gravity works on all dimensions thus allows Welt to reach the guy, the rest is just hax doing its works

are you ok with spaceman's revision?

 

[RaikiKurohane99]

I share the same thoughts as Spaceman here.
This would be Range and Hax potency, not attack potency. However, you can list it as "Can ignore durability with <Singularity Rebuild>

And add a note at the end of this line to add the 11D statistics for this.

 

[Mbpoops]

How do you do the parenthesis thingy

【1-A】

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I share the same thoughts as Spaceman here.
This would be Range and Hax potency, not attack potency. However, you can list it as "Can ignore durability with <Singularity Rebuild>

And add a note at the end of this line to add the 11D statistics for this.

Same thoughts as in like hes smurfing with High 1-C potency but he himself doesnt scale to it and just Environmental damage right