Yuuichi Katagiri Genius Restoration CRT

[GaloreDeer051]

I am making this thread in response to this thread because I disagree with the conclusions reached. I will address three primary points:

1. Academics
2. All Bet Final Score Feat
3. Underestimation


Point 1: Academics

As OP didn’t show what they were referring to about Yuuichi being “not even close to the cognitive abilities of someone like Kei Shinomiya. He has poor grades, and he doesn't show impressive learning ability.” I will assume that OP is referring to these two pages when he talked to Reiko in chapter 29.



Before addressing the claim about Yuuichi's grades, it is important to understand his character. Unlike most kids, Yuuichi never had a normal childhood. He was raised under Taizen Shiba, where he learned about the value of money, survival and human nature but also the value of friends by his mother. After they both died, he was left to survive on his own.



With that context in mind, there are two possible interpretations of Yuuichi's statements regarding his academics.



The first interpretation is to take his words at face value. Even if Yuuichi's grades are genuinely poor, this does not automatically indicate a lack of intelligence. Throughout the series, Yuuichi is shown or referenced working multiple part-time jobs simply to pay bills and support himself. In Chapter 1, he is already working a newspaper delivery job in the morning while trying to save enough money for a school trip with his friends that he promised them to attend. His priorities are survival and financial stability, not academic performance. As a result, he has zero motivation to study or care about school.

In the same chapter, it is shown that Makoto offered to pay for Yuuichi trip but he declined A poor kid who is already struggling financially is willing to spend money he cannot easily afford simply to keep a promise to his friends. So, I leave you with this what’s the difference between a poor kid and a rich kid when it comes to school. The answer is obvious.

In short, Yuuichi low school grades are a narrative consequence of his poverty and the lack of interest in school rather than evidence of low intellectual ability





We now move to interpretation two.



Throughout the series, Yuuichi's main tactic is to downplay and degrade himself in order to make others underestimate him. We also know that his ultimate goal is to destroy Tomodachi Game itself, meaning he views the administrators as enemies rather than observers.



His conversation with Reiko can be interpreted differently. Since Reiko is associated with Tomodachi Game, it is possible that Yuuichi is deliberately downplaying his own abilities as part of a long-term deception strategy. I am not claiming that everything he says about Kei, Tenji or his academics is false. Rather, his statements may be exaggerated in a way that encourages the administrators to lower their guard and underestimate him.



This interpretation becomes relevant later in Point 3.



point 2: All bet final score feat

The OP claims that Yuuichi “does not have a level of intellect comparable to a real-world polymath, and he is never shown to be superhuman in terms of intelligence” I disagree, as one of the strongest examples can be found in the All Bet final score feat



To understand the feat, a brief explanation of the game is necessary. In All bet participants are assigned a monetary value and can be sold and be rebought again by the teams. Players must also pay a one-million-yen fee at the final destination once the game is finished if not, they face a one-hundred-million-yen penalty. During the game, teams are free to use various forms of gambling in order to accumulate capital and improve their position.



Now for the feat. Throughout all bet since the very first poker match in chapter 49 against the other team members, Yuuichi deliberately lost so the others label him as a weakling and underestimate him after that the plan was set.

Later in chapter 55 this is when Yuuichi creates a contract that all teams agree upon. By doing so he makes a no rule game into set rules that would determine the outcome of the game.

Yuuichi planed for victory and defeat using the hedge bet strategy, as the best gamble is to never truly gamble, he created a situation where he could benefit regardless of whether he won or lost against Satone.

The climax for his plan was his prediction of the final score to the last digit for all four teams, whose decisions were influenced by pride, greed, fear and panic. in other words, Yuuichi Katagiri turned human emotion into an equation.



This demonstrates polymathic reasoning as it requires:

• Mathematical reasoning: Yuuichi predicted the final score of all four team to the last digits despite the outcome constantly changing in the game
• Strategic and Long-Term Contingency Planning: yuuichi constructed a multi-stage plan spanning the entire game while preparing for multiple possible outcomes, including both victory and defeat.
• Risk management: Yuuichi uses hedge bet which minimises loss while also maximizing success regardless of the result.
• Game theory: Predicting the decisions and incentives of all 4 competing teams acting independently for their own interests.
• Contract exploitation: Creating a contractual frame work that all teams agreed upon than later exploiting said contract to the ones who were sold leading to his win.
• Behavioral prediction: Yuuichi anticipated how each team member would react under pressure, financial incentives and changing circumstances.
• Information control. Yuuichi deliberately appearing incompetent and managing what information other participants knew about him, therefore deciding what information should be revealed, concealed or manipulated throughout the game.
• Emotional modelling: yuuichi incorporated multiple human emotions such as pride, greed, fear and panic into his calculations and treating it as predictable variables.
• Adaptive thinking: Adjusting plans in response to changing circumstances and unexpected developments, such as reconsidering Kei's role after Kei repeatedly risked his life for kokorogi, while also adapting to the evolving situation surrounding Kokorogi and Saika Kamishiro.
• Interdisciplinary reasoning: Combining mathematical, strategic, contractual and psychological reasoning simultaneously rather than relying on a single intellectual discipline under life and death situations.

To put this feat into a real-world perspective, fields such as game theory, behavioural economics, quantitative finance, and strategic risk management all require combing multiple knowledges in complex and constantly changing system. Organisations invest millions of dollars into advanced models and computing systems to predict market behaviour, yet these systems can still fail due to unpredictable human emotions such as greed, fear and panic.



What makes Yuuichi feat immersive is that he performed similar form of reasoning in a life-or-death scenario where it’s not just finical loss but being sold based on one’s value. Rather than predicting the number alone, Yuuichi predicted how people will behave under extreme pressure and incorporated those human emotions into his final calculation





This brings us back to point 1. Regardless what interpretation I gave if Yuuichi was narratively dumb than he could not perform this feat of this nature it will be impossible. Predicting the final score to the last digit while accounting for multiple teams, changing incentives and human behaviour requires a high level of cognitive processing, planning and analytical reasoning.





Point 3: underestimation:



Op states that Yuuichi “strategies and manipulation efforts often succeed because his opponents underestimate him rather than because he actually outsmarts them”.



To an extent, this is true. Throughout the series, one of Yuuichi's most common tactics is to deliberately downplay himself. He frequently presents himself as weak, desperate, emotional or irrational in order to encourage others to lower their guard. This was already discussed in Point 1, where I explained how Yuuichi often benefits from creating a false image of himself.

However, this becomes increasingly insufficient once the story enters Adult Tomodachi Game.



Adult Tomodachi Game is not simply more difficult because of the games themselves. The people participating are significantly more dangerous and experienced. The participants include professional swindlers, underworld figures, cult leaders and even hitmen. They understand the value of money, manipulation and deception, and are willing to betray, exploit and sacrifice others in order to win. Even Maria, one of the administrators, states that Yuuichi should have been participating in Adult Tomodachi Game from the very beginning.



Now for the sake of argument let’s say making someone underestimate you and believe what you are saying as the truth in life-or-death situations is not impressive manipulation feat.



The first Adult Tomodachi Game was Prison Game, and it is one of the best examples of why he only wins with underestimation argument becomes false.



I won’t go on a deep break down like how I did with all bet but I will give you a simple explanation,



So, Prison Game places twelve participants inside a prison and tasks them all with surviving a “20-year sentence” without breaking the set rules. There are two primary ways to win: either serve the full sentence collectively or complete the objective of stacking 120,000 dominoes together. Prisoners can also obtain a key that allows one of them to escape and get a massive payout, there is an exile system that enables prisoners to vote others out via the majority vote and leaving them with an enormous debt. All of these rules become important later.



What makes Prison Game different from normal TG games is that it is essentially Wolf Game combined with meta knowledge. The participants were deliberately selected so that many of them already knew each other to some extent. In Yuuichi's case, this was a significant disadvantage. Kei was there and already understood many of Yuuichi's methods and strategies due to his pervious lost in game 3, while Kuroki held a personal grudge against him and actively sought revenge due to him getting humiliated by Yuuichi multiple times in the story. As a result, Yuuichi's usual tactic of creating a false first impression becomes far more difficult to utilise effectively in this game.



Even with this, Yuuichi wins at the end while working with Kei as both obtained a key early in the game, but his main objective was never to escape and collect money. His real goal was to minimise the profits of Tomodachi Game itself. If he had escaped after obtaining the key, Tomodachi Game would have gotten the best outcome where they get the most money. Instead, Yuuichi systematically worked towards eliminating players through the exile system in order to prevent the TG from profiting.



Tsukino (an admin) state that this outcome was not the result of luck and that nobody had previously achieved what Yuuichi accomplished and was unheard of. It is important to note that the probability of Yuuichi and Kei obtaining the key was no greater than any other participant obtaining it, also sated by Tsukino. More importantly, it was never Yuuichi vs the opponent it was always Yuuichi vs the system his goal is way bigger than any other player wanting money he wants to destroy TG, that’s his main goal.



Not just in prison game his whole underestimation tactic gets harder from here on out. You have later in the story where it turns out that kokorogi is a traitor and betrays the group and for her master plan she uses Gaku Sabura (A former self defence official turn Pro Hitman who single handedly beat all of All Bet.) to destroy Yuuichi. You don’t use a hitman in your plan if you simply underestimate them. In her group there is also Yuuichi brother Shinji Taizen who knows all the tricks from Taizen Shiba and knows Yuuichi. Finally leading to the final game Makoto leaves Yuuichi and joins kokorogi group. The arguments that he simply wins via underestimation than just outsmarting gets weaker the more the story progresses





Conclusion:



Yuuichi's poor academic performance is not the result of low intelligence but rather how the narrative presents his life. He grew up in severe poverty, worked multiple jobs simply to support himself and consistently prioritised survival over academics. A lack of interest in school and a lack of time to study do not equate to a lack of intellectual ability.

This becomes even clearer when comparing school to Tomodachi Game itself. In school, the stakes are zero. In Tomodachi Game, the stakes involve not only Yuuichi's life but also his friends aswell. It is in these life and death environments that Yuuichi brain switches on and consistently demonstrates advanced planning, manipulation, strategic reasoning and adaptability.

Regardless whatever Interpretation you think is correct what Yuuichi showed throughout the series does not support that Yuuichi lack the intellectual ability to compete with highly intelligent characters. Rather, his actions repeatedly demonstrate the opposite.





Proposed Change: Restore Yuuichi to "At Least Genius"

Agree:​

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Disagree:​

 

[GaloreDeer051]

Please don't derail and keep it strictly to Tomodachi Game source material and VSBW intelligence definition.

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[GaloreDeer051]

Made some minor edits for grammar and spelling mistakes, updated the hyper link for "All Bet final score feat" to a more representative scan and change the title for better clarity.

 

[GaloreDeer051]

Bump. Any feedback or response on the CRT would be appreciated.

 

[NitroWatch]

What’s the point of this CRT exactly? Yuuichi is already Genius level on his profile based on his manipulation and whatnot from his performance in the games.

 

[GaloreDeer051]

What’s the point of this CRT exactly? Yuuichi is already Genius level on his profile based on his manipulation and whatnot from his performance in the games.

Currently, Yuuichi is only listed as Genius with Emotional Intelligence and Manipulation. However, my issue is with the downgrade thread's implication that his intelligence is primarily limited to just these two areas. My main point in this CRT is that the feats he performed for the All Bet final score (Point 2) and other examples (Point 3) support Genius overall, while his low academic performance does not diminish that conclusion (point 1).

(please clarify if my formatting of the thread doesn't get my main goal across because I will make changes if that's the case)

 

[TheHuntsman1001]

I'll go ahead and reply here since I made the initial downgrade thread.

There are two central arguments here to restore Yuuichi's Genius rating and both of them ultimately fail.

1. The claim that Yuuichi's academic underperformance and reliance on being underestimated are deliberate deceptions.

2. The All Bets final score feat demonstrates polymath-level intelligence.

The Deliberate Deception Claim is just Speculation

Point 1: Academics

Point 3: underestimation:

Points 1 and 3 ultimately reduce to a single claim that Yuuichi deliberately performs poorly academically and allows himself to be underestimated as part of a long-term calculated strategy. However, there is no actual evidence to support this being a deliberate deception on Yuuichi's part. Furthermore, even if he were getting worse grades as part of a deception that doesn't prove he has genius level academics without holding back.

You acknowledge this directly when framing it as a "possible reading" of the conversation with Reiko rather than a proven one. The argument is essentially: Yuuichi uses deception generally, therefore his academic underperformance might also be deception.

For this argument to hold weight in a you would need to show a moment where Yuuichi explicitly confirms that chooses appear academically weak, or confrism his grades are artificially low. None of these exist in the manga to my knowledge to confirm this theory and this CRT is asking us to just assume the most flattering possible interpretation of ambiguous information with nothing to support it beyond Yuuichi's general characterization as a schemer.

So yeah this point fails since there is no actual evidence to support him intentionally getting worse grades as part of a major deception, and even in that case nothing to suggest they are genius level anyway.

Furthermore the poverty argument in Interpretation One actually undermines Interpretation Two. You cannot simultaneously argue his grades are low because he is too busy surviving AND that his grades are low as a deliberate intellectual strategy. The new CRT presents both interpretations as viable without acknowledging they contradict each other.

On the underestimation point specifically, I agree that Yuuichi engineers situations where opponents underestimate him. I'm not disputing that. But there is a significant difference between deliberately appearing weak in a specific game context and having orchestrated your entire academic record and life circumstances as a long-term deception.

The All Bet Feat Does Not Demonstrate Genius-Level Intelligence

The foundation of the All Bet plan is that Yuuichi drafted a contract mid-game that all four teams agreed to sign. Yuuichi had intentionally performed badly to lure the other teams into a false sense of security and then convinved them signing the contract would be in everyone's best interest. That is evidence of his opponents making a poor decision and not fully understanding how the contract could be used against them in the end. A plan that depends on other players acting foolishly does not demonstrate polymath-level reasoning on the planner's part. Yuuichi's entire All Bets strategy fails if any team just decides that "signing this contract seems kinda skectchy and my opponent wants to win so I don't trust it". Yes the underestimation helps here but this certainly doesn't rise to a level of genius intellect.

Then we can get to the polymath argument.

This demonstrates polymathic reasoning as it requires:

• Mathematical reasoning: Yuuichi predicted the final score of all four team to the last digits despite the outcome constantly changing in the game
• Strategic and Long-Term Contingency Planning: yuuichi constructed a multi-stage plan spanning the entire game while preparing for multiple possible outcomes, including both victory and defeat.
• Risk management: Yuuichi uses hedge bet which minimises loss while also maximizing success regardless of the result.
• Game theory: Predicting the decisions and incentives of all 4 competing teams acting independently for their own interests.
• Contract exploitation: Creating a contractual frame work that all teams agreed upon than later exploiting said contract to the ones who were sold leading to his win.
• Behavioral prediction: Yuuichi anticipated how each team member would react under pressure, financial incentives and changing circumstances.
• Information control. Yuuichi deliberately appearing incompetent and managing what information other participants knew about him, therefore deciding what information should be revealed, concealed or manipulated throughout the game.
• Emotional modelling: yuuichi incorporated multiple human emotions such as pride, greed, fear and panic into his calculations and treating it as predictable variables.
• Adaptive thinking: Adjusting plans in response to changing circumstances and unexpected developments, such as reconsidering Kei's role after Kei repeatedly risked his life for kokorogi, while also adapting to the evolving situation surrounding Kokorogi and Saika Kamishiro.
• Interdisciplinary reasoning: Combining mathematical, strategic, contractual and psychological reasoning simultaneously rather than relying on a single intellectual discipline under life and death situations.

To put this feat into a real-world perspective, fields such as game theory, behavioural economics, quantitative finance, and strategic risk management all require combing multiple knowledges in complex and constantly changing system. Organisations invest millions of dollars into advanced models and computing systems to predict market behaviour, yet these systems can still fail due to unpredictable human emotions such as greed, fear and panic.

Just listing a bunch of intelligence categories doesn't prove he is a polymath that reaches genius level intelligence. Plus we can remove all the categories here already related to Emotional Intelligence and Manipulation since he has a Genius rating for those still. So Behevior prediction, information control, emotional modeling are already covered. Everything else is already covered under him being "At least Above Average, likely Genius" as his baseline.

Then throwing in buzzwords like behavioural economics, quantitative finance, and strategic risk management really doesn't make the feat more impressive. As such I disagree with changing the rating to "At Least Genius" and I don't think he qualifies even for baseline Genius.

At least Above Average, likely Genius. Average in Academics, Genius with Emotional Intelligence and Manipulation covers his skills fairly well.

 

[GaloreDeer051]

I'll go ahead and reply here since I made the initial downgrade thread.

There are two central arguments here to restore Yuuichi's Genius rating and both of them ultimately fail.

1. The claim that Yuuichi's academic underperformance and reliance on being underestimated are deliberate deceptions.

2. The All Bets final score feat demonstrates polymath-level intelligence.

The Deliberate Deception Claim is just Speculation




Points 1 and 3 ultimately reduce to a single claim that Yuuichi deliberately performs poorly academically and allows himself to be underestimated as part of a long-term calculated strategy. However, there is no actual evidence to support this being a deliberate deception on Yuuichi's part. Furthermore, even if he were getting worse grades as part of a deception that doesn't prove he has genius level academics without holding back.

You acknowledge this directly when framing it as a "possible reading" of the conversation with Reiko rather than a proven one. The argument is essentially: Yuuichi uses deception generally, therefore his academic underperformance might also be deception.

For this argument to hold weight in a you would need to show a moment where Yuuichi explicitly confirms that chooses appear academically weak, or confrism his grades are artificially low. None of these exist in the manga to my knowledge to confirm this theory and this CRT is asking us to just assume the most flattering possible interpretation of ambiguous information with nothing to support it beyond Yuuichi's general characterization as a schemer.

So yeah this point fails since there is no actual evidence to support him intentionally getting worse grades as part of a major deception, and even in that case nothing to suggest they are genius level anyway.

Furthermore the poverty argument in Interpretation One actually undermines Interpretation Two. You cannot simultaneously argue his grades are low because he is too busy surviving AND that his grades are low as a deliberate intellectual strategy. The new CRT presents both interpretations as viable without acknowledging they contradict each other.

On the underestimation point specifically, I agree that Yuuichi engineers situations where opponents underestimate him. I'm not disputing that. But there is a significant difference between deliberately appearing weak in a specific game context and having orchestrated your entire academic record and life circumstances as a long-term deception.

The All Bet Feat Does Not Demonstrate Genius-Level Intelligence

The foundation of the All Bet plan is that Yuuichi drafted a contract mid-game that all four teams agreed to sign. Yuuichi had intentionally performed badly to lure the other teams into a false sense of security and then convinved them signing the contract would be in everyone's best interest. That is evidence of his opponents making a poor decision and not fully understanding how the contract could be used against them in the end. A plan that depends on other players acting foolishly does not demonstrate polymath-level reasoning on the planner's part. Yuuichi's entire All Bets strategy fails if any team just decides that "signing this contract seems kinda skectchy and my opponent wants to win so I don't trust it". Yes the underestimation helps here but this certainly doesn't rise to a level of genius intellect.

Then we can get to the polymath argument.

Just listing a bunch of intelligence categories doesn't prove he is a polymath that reaches genius level intelligence. Plus we can remove all the categories here already related to Emotional Intelligence and Manipulation since he has a Genius rating for those still. So Behevior prediction, information control, emotional modeling are already covered. Everything else is already covered under him being "At least Above Average, likely Genius" as his baseline.

Then throwing in buzzwords like behavioural economics, quantitative finance, and strategic risk management really doesn't make the feat more impressive. As such I disagree with changing the rating to "At Least Genius" and I don't think he qualifies even for baseline Genius.

At least Above Average, likely Genius. Average in Academics, Genius with Emotional Intelligence and Manipulation covers his skills fairly well.

I think there may be a misunderstanding regarding my argument.

For Point 1, I am not asserting that both interpretations of Yuuichi's academics are simultaneously true. One interpretation is the face-value reading of the text, while the other is an alternative reading based on Yuuichi's established tendency to cultivate underestimation. The purpose was to show that the statements regarding his academics are not necessarily definitive proof against a broader Genius rating.

Regarding All Bet, my argument is not simply that other participants acted foolishly by signing the contract. A central part of the feat is that Rule 2 required the exact final rankings to be predicted from first to last. Even after obtaining the signatures, the strategy still depended on accurately anticipating how the final rankings would develop, how participants would behave, and how the activation conditions would be fulfilled. Therefore, I don't think the feat can be reduced to merely other people made a bad decision.

I give you a question: if Yuuichi was narratively dumb based on his academics, then why did he himself make a rule that says, "Only the player who guesses the precise order of all teams from first to last correctly wins this game"?

It's pretty stupid for a "dumb guy" to make one of the hardest metrics to achieve. Why not a top 3? Why not a close enough guess? Yuuichi was very confident that he would get the precise answer or else his hedge bet wouldn't activate.

(Contract exploitation. It's the 7th image if you want to look, plus a deep dive. Also, Emotional modelling is pretty important, as he made human emotions like an equation for his final calculation. It's quite the feat.)

Back to the interpretations:

Interpretation 1: Low academics does not equal low intelligence based on his life (look at the All Bet final score feat via Rule 2).

Interpretation 2: I did say that what he said about Kei, Tenji, and academics aren't false, but he exaggerated it on purpose as a long-term plan (again, look at Rule 2; it back up downplaying his abilities).

Whichever one you pick, they both come to the same conclusion.


P.S. The "buzzwords" were made as a real-world comparison to what Yuuichi did during the All Bet arc and how it is a similar form of reasoning while in a life-or-death situation.

Therefore, the feat still looks like Overall Genius to me.


Edit: This one is on me. I didn't notice one of your arguments.

You said, "Yuuichi's entire All Bets strategy fails if any team just decides that 'signing this contract seems kinda sketchy and my opponent wants to win, so I don't trust it'."

This is untrue because he made it so that they were effectively forced to sign it based on the scan here under Behavioral prediction. He threatened to kill Mishima (and would have) and proved why a "no rules game" wouldn't work, after which everyone agreed and said this was the best option.

On top of that, once everyone signed the main contract, one of the rules of the contract explicitly stated that you could gamble but they wont be obligated to pay the price of losing if one of them did not sign the document.

The rules of the contract were explicitly laid out to everyone. Yuuichi did not secretly alter the terms afterward; he simply exploited the very rules that all team leaders agreed to and that became the accepted rules of the game. He later used those rules for the final score prediction game against the people who were sold.

 

[TheHuntsman1001]

For Point 1, I am not asserting that both interpretations of Yuuichi's academics are simultaneously true. One interpretation is the face-value reading of the text, while the other is an alternative reading based on Yuuichi's established tendency to cultivate underestimation. The purpose was to show that the statements regarding his academics are not necessarily definitive proof against a broader Genius rating.

Even if the points aren't really contradictory this won't prove a genius rating. The broader point if this being based on your assumption still holds true.

Regarding All Bet, my argument is not simply that other participants acted foolishly by signing the contract. A central part of the feat is that Rule 2 required the exact final rankings to be predicted from first to last. Even after obtaining the signatures, the strategy still depended on accurately anticipating how the final rankings would develop, how participants would behave, and how the activation conditions would be fulfilled. Therefore, I don't think the feat can be reduced to merely other people made a bad decision.

I realize you aren't arguing that the other participants acted foolishly, but I am. My point was that using All Bets to support Yuuichi having a full Genius rating isn't a strong argument since so much of the feat relied on his opponents making a foolish choice. This supports his rating only having him be a genius in Emotional Intelligence with Manipulation, not in everything.

I give you a question: if Yuuichi was narratively dumb based on his academics, then why did he himself make a rule that says, "Only the player who guesses the precise order of all teams from first to last correctly wins this game"?

It's pretty stupid for a "dumb guy" to make one of the hardest metrics to achieve. Why not a top 3? Why not a close enough guess? Yuuichi was very confident that he would get the precise answer or else his hedge bet wouldn't activate.

I'm not saying he is dumb in academics, but yeah his entire strategy revolved around guessing this. So given that he prepared in advance to know the answer. That doesn't make him a genius though.

You said, "Yuuichi's entire All Bets strategy fails if any team just decides that 'signing this contract seems kinda sketchy and my opponent wants to win, so I don't trust it'."

This is untrue because he made it so that they were effectively forced to sign it based on the scan here under Behavioral prediction. He threatened to kill Mishima (and would have) and proved why a "no rules game" wouldn't work, after which everyone agreed and said this was the best option.

On top of that, once everyone signed the main contract, one of the rules of the contract explicitly stated that you could gamble but they wont be obligated to pay the price of losing if one of them did not sign the document.

The rules of the contract were explicitly laid out to everyone. Yuuichi did not secretly alter the terms afterward; he simply exploited the very rules that all team leaders agreed to and that became the accepted rules of the game. He later used those rules for the final score prediction game against the people who were sold.

For this it again really doesn't rise to the level of genius. Plus as I point out below, his behavior prediction/emotional modeling these are covered under his current rating. So showing that he has genius level ability there won't change his rating.

(Contract exploitation. It's the 7th image if you want to look, plus a deep dive. Also, Emotional modelling is pretty important, as he made human emotions like an equation for his final calculation. It's quite the feat.)

Not saying it isn't important, but his genius rating already covers this. Basically you don't need to argue he is a genius with Emotional Modeling since he already is with his rating. Therefore adding this won't change his rating. Same for behavior prediction.

To make sure this is clear I'll list his current rating again: "At least Above Average, likely Genius. Average in Academics, Genius with Emotional Intelligence and Manipulation"

So when you bring up things like behavior prediction or emotional modeling they are covered under the bold part of his rating already. So they can't be used to prove he is genius anywhere else.

Interpretation 1: Low academics does not equal low intelligence based on his life (look at the All Bet final score feat via Rule 2).

This wasn't the argument, his rating specifies academics so this isn't an issue.

Interpretation 2: I did say that what he said about Kei, Tenji, and academics aren't false, but he exaggerated it on purpose as a long-term plan (again, look at Rule 2; it back up downplaying his abilities).

You didn't show this or prove this. Him downplaying himself later does not prove he got bad grades on purpose. Show scans of Yuuichi's saying he intentionally got bad grades as part of a strategy, and proof he could get genius level grades if he tried. That's what is needed for this claim.

 

[GaloreDeer051]

Even if the points aren't really contradictory this won't prove a genius rating. The broader point if this being based on your assumption still holds true.


I realize you aren't arguing that the other participants acted foolishly, but I am. My point was that using All Bets to support Yuuichi having a full Genius rating isn't a strong argument since so much of the feat relied on his opponents making a foolish choice. This supports his rating only having him be a genius in Emotional Intelligence with Manipulation, not in everything.


I'm not saying he is dumb in academics, but yeah his entire strategy revolved around guessing this. So given that he prepared in advance to know the answer. That doesn't make him a genius though.

For this it again really doesn't rise to the level of genius. Plus as I point out below, his behavior prediction/emotional modeling these are covered under his current rating. So showing that he has genius level ability there won't change his rating.


Not saying it isn't important, but his genius rating already covers this. Basically you don't need to argue he is a genius with Emotional Modeling since he already is with his rating. Therefore adding this won't change his rating. Same for behavior prediction.

To make sure this is clear I'll list his current rating again: "At least Above Average, likely Genius. Average in Academics, Genius with Emotional Intelligence and Manipulation"

So when you bring up things like behavior prediction or emotional modeling they are covered under the bold part of his rating already. So they can't be used to prove he is genius anywhere else.

This wasn't the argument, his rating specifies academics so this isn't an issue.

You didn't show this or prove this. Him downplaying himself later does not prove he got bad grades on purpose. Show scans of Yuuichi's saying he intentionally got bad grades as part of a strategy, and proof he could get genius level grades if he tried. That's what is needed for this claim.

Okay, let's clarify something because I don't think you understood Interpretation 2 properly.

You seem to think that I am arguing that Yuuichi somehow intentionally got bad grades before the events of Tomodachi Game and can ace every test. I never said that at all.

What I said is that what Yuuichi says about Kei, Tenji, and his academics is not false, but rather exaggerated.

Yuuichi knows that his academics are poor, so when he talks to Reiko, he uses that weakness as an excuse and as part of his plan. Evidence for this is the scan I added in Point 3, where Kei himself states that Yuuichi never does anything meaningless. (first page you can read the whole thing if you want)

What makes this important is that your downgrade relies heavily on Kei having better cognitive skills than Yuuichi, so Kei making that statement is relevant. Furthermore, Kei says this after losing to Yuuichi in Game 3, meaning his ego had already been shattered and he had firsthand experience of being outplayed by him.

In terms of story context, Yuuichi says this in chapter 29., while the Prison Game starts around Chapter 35. As I said in Point 3, the Prison Game is essentially the Wolf Game but with additional meta-knowledge elements.

Obviously, I am not saying that Yuuichi somehow knew in Chapter 29 that the next game would be the Prison Game and that he would face Kei and Kuroki.

My point is that Yuuichi used both his weaknesses and the perception of those weaknesses to his advantage, which later became relevant in the Prison Game because, after this conversation, Reiko saw Yuuichi threatening Kuroki. Therefore, either this is a coincidence or Yuuichi deliberately chose to present himself in that way.

The question is: why would he even say those things to someone he considers an enemy?

He could have said nothing at all. Instead, he chose to emphasize his own weaknesses. Why, when the story itself states that whenever Yuuichi says or does something, it usually has a reason?


To your next points.

To be perfectly clear, I already know his current rating:

"At least Above Average, likely Genius. Average in Academics, Genius with Emotional Intelligence and Manipulation."

The reason why I used behavioral prediction, information control, and emotional modeling is because, in your thread, you specifically stated that "he does not have a level of intellect comparable to a real-world polymath, and he is never shown to be superhuman in terms of intelligence given others in his own series are stated to be more intelligent than he is."

I cannot simply remove those three aspects because he is already a genius in them. That doesn't make sense. A polymath is "an individual whose expertise spans a significant number of different subject areas, often drawing on complex bodies of knowledge to solve specific problems." Therefore, when explaining the polymath argument, I needed to include them because those are the different fields of reasoning that Yuuichi demonstrated.

Not only that, but you specifically mentioned a "real-world polymath," and the entire point of my real-world comparison is that these are the kinds of reasoning methods used in real life. Yuuichi demonstrated the kind of interdisciplinary reasoning that you were asking for.

I don't think you understand the insanity of the final guess. The All Bet game didn't last for multiple hours; it lasted for days. He was constantly calculating changing numbers based on games, selling players, purchasing players, losses, and wins—not just from himself, but from all of his opponents who were also acting independently.

On top of that, it wasn't just the numbers; he had to predict the exact order from first to last. Something like that is inherently unpredictable, which is why emotional modeling is important. He treated greed, pride, fear, and panic like variables in an equation, made them predictable, and incorporated them into his final calculation.

I don't understand why you are downplaying that feat as if it were a simple math question. You would need extremely high processing ability to keep that much information in your head while constantly updating it over multiple days and then accurately predicting the final result

What I really don't understand is this:

"My point was that using All Bets to support Yuuichi having a full Genius rating isn't a strong argument since so much of the feat relied on his opponents making a foolish choice."

I don't know why you think the players were foolish. Honestly, I think the other three teams were the opposite. The first thing they did was logical: get rid of the dead weight on their teams. The Game theory scan explains this perfectly. The logical decision is to sell the weaker members of your team and keep the most competent people.

I also don't understand why you are undermining characters like Satone. In the same scan, Yuuichi himself says that his tactic won't work on her, and Satone's main traits are luck, intuition, and psychological insight. What makes her scary is her perception; it's almost like a near-supernatural ability to read human emotions and predict behavior. She is also the same person who figured out Kokorogi was the traitor at first glance.

So I don't know why you keep saying they were foolish when the arc itself showed otherwise. Yuuichi's main outcomes against her were either winning through a coin flip or activating the hedge bet, meaning he beat her through outsmarting rather than simple manipulation.

The manga explicitly states that he planned for both victory and defeat. He prepared multiple outcomes for an event that lasted for days.

(Information control ,Strategic and Long-Term Contingency Planning, Risk management, Game theory. I put them all in order its basically all of Chapter 65 from the start to the end)

Can you provide scans or something to support the claim that the other teams were simply foolish? (The dead weight does not count) Because I genuinely don't understand that conclusion.




My proposal is simply to remove the split ratings entirely and restore him to Overall Genius, as he was before.

My whole argument is that low grades do not equal low intelligence, and what he has demonstrated throughout the series shows that he is at least Genius overall.

I don't understand why you seem so opposed to this proposal.

 

[GaloreDeer051]

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[TheHuntsman1001]

Okay, let's clarify something because I don't think you understood Interpretation 2 properly.

You seem to think that I am arguing that Yuuichi somehow intentionally got bad grades before the events of Tomodachi Game and can ace every test. I never said that at all.

What I said is that what Yuuichi says about Kei, Tenji, and his academics is not false, but rather exaggerated.

Yuuichi knows that his academics are poor, so when he talks to Reiko, he uses that weakness as an excuse and as part of his plan. Evidence for this is the scan I added in Point 3, where Kei himself states that Yuuichi never does anything meaningless. (first page you can read the whole thing if you want)

What makes this important is that your downgrade relies heavily on Kei having better cognitive skills than Yuuichi, so Kei making that statement is relevant. Furthermore, Kei says this after losing to Yuuichi in Game 3, meaning his ego had already been shattered and he had firsthand experience of being outplayed by him.

To finish this out, I think you just conceded the original academics point from the downgrade here. If Yuuichi knows his academics are poor but then uses that to leverage his manipulation to make Reiko underestimate him that aligns with exactly what the downgrade presented. Yuuichi's rating lists "Average in Academics" so it seems like we agree on this point.

To your next points.

To be perfectly clear, I already know his current rating:

"At least Above Average, likely Genius. Average in Academics, Genius with Emotional Intelligence and Manipulation."

The reason why I used behavioral prediction, information control, and emotional modeling is because, in your thread, you specifically stated that "he does not have a level of intellect comparable to a real-world polymath, and he is never shown to be superhuman in terms of intelligence given others in his own series are stated to be more intelligent than he is."

I cannot simply remove those three aspects because he is already a genius in them. That doesn't make sense. A polymath is "an individual whose expertise spans a significant number of different subject areas, often drawing on complex bodies of knowledge to solve specific problems." Therefore, when explaining the polymath argument, I needed to include them because those are the different fields of reasoning that Yuuichi demonstrated. Not only that, but you specifically mentioned a "real-world polymath," and the entire point of my real-world comparison is that these are the kinds of reasoning methods used in real life. Yuuichi demonstrated the kind of interdisciplinary reasoning that you were asking for.

What I am saying here is that his current rating carves this out and that does two things.

1. He is already rated as a Genius with Emotional Intelligence and Manipulation so listing out skills that fall under this tree don't contribute to him being a polymath. Just to use an analogy this would be like saying a mathematician is a polymath because they have addition skills, subtraction skills, multiplication skills, exponent skills, fractions skills, etc. You are likewise just listing things that fall into the larger Emotional Intelligence category and since he is already a genius in the larger category that doesn't make him a polymath. You covered this in saying the definition of a polymath requires this to be in "different subject areas" and these are not different areas.

2. Since these categories are already covered under the part of his rating that is genius, they also don't contribute to upgrading his baseline intelligence to genius either. He is rated as Above Average, Likely Genius aside from his genius level emotional intelligence. This argument essentially reduces to since his emotional intelligence is genius he should be baseline genius in everything.

So to argue against the downgrade there needs to be evidence that Yuuichi is a genius specifically outside of Emotional Intelligence, and the above doesn't do that.

I don't think you understand the insanity of the final guess. The All Bet game didn't last for multiple hours; it lasted for days. He was constantly calculating changing numbers based on games, selling players, purchasing players, losses, and wins—not just from himself, but from all of his opponents who were also acting independently.

On top of that, it wasn't just the numbers; he had to predict the exact order from first to last. Something like that is inherently unpredictable, which is why emotional modeling is important. He treated greed, pride, fear, and panic like variables in an equation, made them predictable, and incorporated them into his final calculation.

I don't understand why you are downplaying that feat as if it were a simple math question. You would need extremely high processing ability to keep that much information in your head while constantly updating it over multiple days and then accurately predicting the final result

I do understand the situation of Yuuichi's final guess in All Bets, and I do understand the situation. The main problem here is everything that he did that comes close to the level of genius, even by your own words, is already covered by his Emotional Intelligence. Even in your OP you said this about All Bets:

The climax for his plan was his prediction of the final score to the last digit for all four teams, whose decisions were influenced by pride, greed, fear and panic. in other words, Yuuichi Katagiri turned human emotion into an equation.

Everything that Yuuichi "calculated" was based on his understanding of human emotion. These were your exact words saying this, not me. You are trying to frame an Emotional Intelligence feat as a math based calculation feat, which just isn't accurate to what Yuuichi did. He didn't for example, mentally calculate different scenarios or different outcomes for the final order. He used manipulation and deception to force the groups to end up in a specific way. This is again clearly established in his current rating and doesn't justify a baseline genius. The fact that the event lasted several days or that he predicted the outcome to "the last digit" don't make this a processing feat like you seem to think.

I also don't understand why you are undermining characters like Satone. In the same scan, Yuuichi himself says that his tactic won't work on her, and Satone's main traits are luck, intuition, and psychological insight. What makes her scary is her perception; it's almost like a near-supernatural ability to read human emotions and predict behavior. She is also the same person who figured out Kokorogi was the traitor at first glance.

So I don't know why you keep saying they were foolish when the arc itself showed otherwise. Yuuichi's main outcomes against her were either winning through a coin flip or activating the hedge bet, meaning he beat her through outsmarting rather than simple manipulation.

This actually really helps my point here. You are arguing that against someone who Yuuichi struggles to manipulate instead of relying on a genius level cognitive ability or anything else that would suggest he is a full genius, he relies on the hedge bet and a coin flip. By your own logic he couldn't outsmart her outside of his manipulation strategy regarding the hedge bet, and I have explained that is part of his Emotional Intelligence so cannot upgrade him to baseline genius since he is already a genius with Emotional Intelligence.

As for everyone being "incompetent/foolish" I am not trying to say that, but they are all competing against each other and none of them considered a proposal made by an opponent would have a way for that opponent to take advantage of it and use that to win in the end. Against actual genius level opponents nobody would make that agreement because they would realize that even if they don't know exactly how yet, Yuuichi has a way to use the contract to win.

The entire point behind the intelligence downgrade was that Yuuichi's feats aren't consistent with a genius rating, and that isn't how Yuuichi is ever portrayed in TG. He uses his wits and his specific understanding of human behevior to decive and manipulate people but his intelligence very specifically doesn't extend beyond that to anything close to a genius level. Yuuichi does have a high capacity for Emotional Intelligence which is why he is genius rated there, but he is not a genius across more than that.

That is the reason why I fully disagree with the proposal to restore his full genius rating. I am fine to leave this here and let staff evaluate this, I think the case I made is strong enough to just reject the proposal and keep Yuuichi's Intelligence rating as is.

 

[GaloreDeer051]

Ok, I think I came to the conclusion that I need to stop writing to you as if you know Tomodachi Game because I thought you did. There is no reason to make a downgrade thread if you don't clearly know the series, so I guess I was wrong.

To finish this out, I think you just conceded the original academics point from the downgrade here. If Yuuichi knows his academics are poor but then uses that to leverage his manipulation to make Reiko underestimate him that aligns with exactly what the downgrade presented. Yuuichi's rating lists "Average in Academics" so it seems like we agree on this point.

You and I are not coming to the same conclusion like you think we are.

My whole point of Interpretation 2 is the exaggeration of everything he said, and that becomes very relevant later. Trust me.

Let me finish Interpretation 2 for you simply.

Who creates the games? The admins.

Who is one of the admins? Reiko.

Who is one of the admins Yuuichi talked to? Reiko.

Does Yuuichi know that the TG admins love making rules against him? Absolutely yes.

What did Reiko see and hear from Yuuichi? That Kei and Tenji are smarter than him and that his academics are lower than even Makoto's. After that conversation, she also saw Yuuichi threatening Kuroki.

Why did Yuuichi say that? Because this was the only time that Yuuichi could have a direct conversation with the admins, since Kuroki decided to pretend to be TG and make a game against Yuuichi.

What happened in the Prison Game? Kei and Kuroki are there, and so is Makoto (someone Yuuichi stated is better than him academically). And guess what? Tenji was not there. The reason makes sense: Yuuichi himself said that Tenji is smarter than him, and Tenji is also Yuuichi's ally, so adding him to the Prison Game would have given Yuuichi an advantage. Instead, they added the dumbest person on his team.

So, did Yuuichi say that on purpose just to mess with the admins? Most likely, yes.

Did he still beat the Prison Game with relative ease even with those disadvantages? Absolutely yes.

Did Yuuichi know that the next game would be the Prison Game and that it would involve Kei, Kuroki, and Makoto? Most likely not. But he still said those things because the admins love making rules against Yuuichi based on what he says and does.

In short, this is my point. Get it now. There is no need to keep bringing this up in every single reply.

What I am saying here is that his current rating carves this out and that does two things.

1. He is already rated as a Genius with Emotional Intelligence and Manipulation so listing out skills that fall under this tree don't contribute to him being a polymath. Just to use an analogy this would be like saying a mathematician is a polymath because they have addition skills, subtraction skills, multiplication skills, exponent skills, fractions skills, etc. You are likewise just listing things that fall into the larger Emotional Intelligence category and since he is already a genius in the larger category that doesn't make him a polymath. You covered this in saying the definition of a polymath requires this to be in "different subject areas" and these are not different areas.

2. Since these categories are already covered under the part of his rating that is genius, they also don't contribute to upgrading his baseline intelligence to genius either. He is rated as Above Average, Likely Genius aside from his genius level emotional intelligence. This argument essentially reduces to since his emotional intelligence is genius he should be baseline genius in everything.

So to argue against the downgrade there needs to be evidence that Yuuichi is a genius specifically outside of Emotional Intelligence, and the above doesn't do that.

I do understand the situation of Yuuichi's final guess in All Bets, and I do understand the situation. The main problem here is everything that he did that comes close to the level of genius, even by your own words, is already covered by his Emotional Intelligence. Even in your OP you said this about All Bets:

Everything that Yuuichi "calculated" was based on his understanding of human emotion. These were your exact words saying this, not me. You are trying to frame an Emotional Intelligence feat as a math based calculation feat, which just isn't accurate to what Yuuichi did. He didn't for example, mentally calculate different scenarios or different outcomes for the final order. He used manipulation and deception to force the groups to end up in a specific way. This is again clearly established in his current rating and doesn't justify a baseline genius. The fact that the event lasted several days or that he predicted the outcome to "the last digit" don't make this a processing feat like you seem to think.

This actually really helps my point here. You are arguing that against someone who Yuuichi struggles to manipulate instead of relying on a genius level cognitive ability or anything else that would suggest he is a full genius, he relies on the hedge bet and a coin flip. By your own logic he couldn't outsmart her outside of his manipulation strategy regarding the hedge bet, and I have explained that is part of his Emotional Intelligence so cannot upgrade him to baseline genius since he is already a genius with Emotional Intelligence.

ok, this is going to be the all-for-one package deal.

I'm going to be strictly honest with you. Why do you keep downplaying this whole arc? Not just the final score, but everything, down to the players' actions and especially Yuuichi. You have a grudge like he did something to you personally.

You keep spamming this one line: emotional intelligence this, emotional intelligence that. My argument is getting stronger because you keep saying "emotional intelligence" in every reply. Let's be real, I don't know what you're on about, and I don't think you do either.

The arc shows that this is, if not the hardest challenge for Yuuichi besides the final arc. Not only does Yuuichi himself say he is bad at gambling, but he also has a pure hatred towards gamblers.

On top of that, please stop downplaying Satone. It actually backs up the point I keep making. Yuuichi's main tactic won't work on her, so he needs to do something completely different. That's why I said outsmarting. I am literally showing you something that Yuuichi normally does not do in a game he hates. Like, what are you doing here?

One thing I noticed is that you don't provide scans, and I know why, so I have to do it for you. I got this personally for you, so say thank you to Mr. Deer.

Here are the scans. Please read them because I don't know if you did for my whole thread. (I only added the important parts no need to show the whole game)

At the very beginning of the arc, after Yuuichi loses in a poker match (he did this on purpose if you read my thread), Kei takes over. You and I both know he is the pinnacle of genius. You said yourself that he has greater cognitive skills. That's a fact from you.

And guess what he does? That's right, he does calculations on the poker cards being shuffled to find the Joker. Kei himself said that spotting the Joker card in a Hindu shuffle is not impossible, but it becomes difficult.

He does win at the end, but not because of the calculations. He wins because Kamishiro decided not to show his straight flush, a hand stronger than Kei's. In other words, Kamishiro let Kei win on purpose.

And guess who stopped the game from proceeding to the next round? Yes, it's Yuuichi, because he knew something was off and that Kei would definitely lose the next round.

Now let's get back to this.

You're seriously saying to me that Yuuichi did all of this with emotional intelligence alone? There is no way you are saying that with confidence right now (and no scans). Yuuichi is "Above Average, likely Genius," and there is a good reason why that "likely" was not removed in your downgrade thread.

Let's look at the narrative.

Kei tried to do pure calculations. We know Kei is a genius based on his self-proclamation, other characters' statements, and feats backing it up. So what Kei did in that poker match was simple:

• calculating,
• tracking card order,
• determining probabilities,
• understanding shuffling methods,
• predicting outcomes mathematically.

This is my conclusion from that feat, so obviously that means Kei has high analytical abilities. Pretty straightforward. You must agree with this because he has greater cognitive skills, like you said. These are your words, not mine.

Now why are you downplaying the final score?

What Yuuichi did is the exact same thing as Kei, but something greater. The story shows that pure mathematical calculations are impossible. Kei lost, the guy who is pure raw IQ, the prodigy, the guy who is the greatest academically.

So how did Yuuichi succeed while Kei failed?

Yuuichi did what Kei did. He took Kei's skills and then used his own.

Realistically, the final score is impossible to calculate because of human emotions. Human emotions basically look like this: ∞ because they are constantly changing.

But Yuuichi saw them like this: 1, or 2, maybe 30 something like that you following.

So what I am saying here is that if he was simply a genius in emotional intelligence, then he cannot perform this feat. If he was only Above Average in IQ and Average in academics, you need to explain how this feat is even possible. You need the full package.

Remember when I talked to you about exaggeration before?

My whole point is this: if Yuuichi is only Above Average in IQ, Average in academics, and below Makoto academically, then of course Makoto should be able to do this too, right? Wrong.

What about Kei and Tenji? Also wrong.

The story itself shows that Kei couldn't do it.

But the story showed Yuuichi doing what Kei does best and what he himself does best, and then accurately guessing the final score to the last digit, from first to last, over multiple days.

He had to keep that much information in his head while accounting for wins, losses, selling, purchases, and how the game progressed, all while human emotions affected the outcome, something Kei could not see.

The best part of this feat is that Yuuichi himself wrote into the rules of the final score game that in order to win, you must get the order correct from first to last.

So please, when you reply, stop saying stuff like:

"Uhm, actually, that proves my point because you keep saying emotional intelligence and stop acting like this feat is cool."

uh huh, yeah. If Kei can't do it but Yuuichi can, then I think it's pretty cool.

simple, if you don't know Tomodachi Game, just ask me and I will provide you a scan.

The entire point behind the intelligence downgrade was that Yuuichi's feats aren't consistent with a genius rating, and that isn't how Yuuichi is ever portrayed in TG. He uses his wits and his specific understanding of human behevior to decive and manipulate people but his intelligence very specifically doesn't extend beyond that to anything close to a genius level. Yuuichi does have a high capacity for Emotional Intelligence which is why he is genius rated there, but he is not a genius across more than that.

is this enough for you? or nah

As for everyone being "incompetent/foolish" I am not trying to say that, but they are all competing against each other and none of them considered a proposal made by an opponent would have a way for that opponent to take advantage of it and use that to win in the end. Against actual genius level opponents nobody would make that agreement because they would realize that even if they don't know exactly how yet, Yuuichi has a way to use the contract to win.

Oh, I didn't know you were the author of Tomodachi Game.

Be very careful how you word that. I think you and I both know what you mean by "actual genius opponents."

Like I said, keep it to Tomodachi Game source material. I don't want you to derail this thread.

We also know that intelligence is subjective, and the wiki knows this better than anyone.

Intelligence Quotients​

An Intelligence Quotient, or IQ is a scientific attempt to score the intelligence of individuals in real life through testing. It is a common occurrence in fiction for authors to give their characters IQ scores, often exceptionally high ones, and while some scientists believe IQ has validity in real life, it makes for a very poor measuring stick in fiction. An author can give a character as ridiculously high of an IQ as they want, whether it be over 200, 314, 5,000, or even 10^30, but without feats, these numbers are meaningless, only acting as confirmation that they are much smarter than normal humans.

Even if that was not the case, as different fictions give their characters different ratings, they are completely useless for comparing intelligence between them. It would be like trying to compare the power levels in Nanatsu no Taizai to those in Dragon Ball to determine their power in relation to each other, when both verses use power levels differently and have completely different scales of power. This is without getting into the fact that many scientists find IQ to be a poor judge of intelligence for the same reasons that intelligence is so hard to quantify in versus debating, among others.

Some verses, such as DC Comics, have their own internal intelligence ranking systems. It is the same situation with these as it is with IQ - without feats, these rankings mean little.

One should not automatically assign statements of intelligence within a story itself without looking at if a character's feats and behaviour fits with it according to our standards.

Do not go against the author's definition or portrayal of a genius. Like I said again, you didn't provide scans when you called the opponents foolish, and now you're backtracking and saying they are not, so I gave you a scan right here.

Kamishiro is stated by Ren (an admin) to be a charismatic genius. And don't worry, it's not just a statement. Kamishiro himself says that he possesses divine foresight and absolute insight into human behavior through his "God Eye," (he showed it in the poker match with kei and showed it in old maid against yuuichi) and ofc none other than Yuuichi is portrayed as superior to him.

(You can think Kamishiro is a genius or not; it doesn't matter.)

Please refrain from going to other verses or using outside standards to justify a downgrade because that is not welcome here.

If you cannot provide a direct answer to my questions or to the thread with a scan, then you're welcome to simply say so. It's okay.

That is the reason why I fully disagree with the proposal to restore his full genius rating. I am fine to leave this here and let staff evaluate this, I think the case I made is strong enough to just reject the proposal and keep Yuuichi's Intelligence rating as is.

That is the reason why I fully disagree with your downgrade thread and his current rating. I am completely fine with you leaving the thread and letting me continue making my case to the staff. (I put you in disagree don't worry)

So basically, get rid of all those split ratings and make him Overall Genius because, honestly, the story makes zero sense otherwise.

 

[RoggerReggor]

Yuuichi's rating was a bit generalized upon just his emotional aspects of intelligence and his usage of "dark triads"iac feats to a "Genius" overall, which was false and rightly pointed out by Huntsman in his earlier thread. The generalization of his rating was rightfully removed and his below par academics and general intelligence in several cognitive aspects than what's actually needed for a genius rating was addressed as well.

This thread doesn't really "restore" his genius rating, he already is a genius in the aspects you have mentioned. His profile is simply more elaborated now in this and mentions several aspects of intellect and his performance there.

I don't understand the point of this thread. Closing it is better.