Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Zabazab]

Makora isn't a character, and it hadn't adapted to Furnace then

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Heian Sukuna (+hiten and kamutoke) with all his jjk memories vs Modulo Yuji

Modulo Yuji Finally gets a good fight.
My brain says Sukuna extreme diff, but my heart and soul says Modulo Yuji high diff

 

[Sus]

Makora isn't a character

then by all technicality rika isn't either (except for jjk 0)

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

"Mahoraga doesn't count" in big 26
Peeps exclude Raga cuz they know he deserves Top 3 more than literally anyone. sure, the other contenders for top 3 have win cons (Yuta JL, 10M CS Uzamaki from Kenny, EMW [IF they're bigg enough] from MBA Kashimo) but Big raga speed blitzes and oneshots them all, idc

 

[Zabazab]

then by all technicality rika isn't either (except for jjk 0)

"Rika" is infinitely more of a character than Makora. She has actual personality and acts independently and even against Yuta. She's basically a shikigaki given the will of Orimoto Rika. Meanwhile the only time we ever hear Makora's thoughts is "A single thought existed within Makora: Fulfill Orders."

Modulo Yuji Finally gets a good fight.
My brain says Sukuna extreme diff, but my heart and soul says Modulo Yuji high diff

Yuji gets low-diffed. Kashimo style.

 

[Sus]

Rika" is infinitely more of a character than Makora. She has actual personality and acts independently and even against Yuta. She's basically a shikigaki given the will of Orimoto Rika. Meanwhile the only time we ever hear Makora's thoughts is "A single thought existed within Makora: Fulfill Orders."

why don't you include what sukuna said right after

 

[Nonynho]

im going home, will start working on the thread asap

gotta adapt to sending scans

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

"Rika" is infinitely more of a character than Makora. She has actual personality and acts independently and even against Yuta. She's basically a shikigaki given the will of Orimoto Rika. Meanwhile the only time we ever hear Makora's thoughts is "A single thought existed within Makora: Fulfill Orders."


Yuji gets low-diffed. Kashimo style.

Stick to Rezero

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Modulo Yuji Finally gets a good fight.
My brain says Sukuna extreme diff, but my heart and soul says Modulo Yuji high diff

Well I think Yuji surpassed Sukuna but even then if we just go with Base version of them are relative I think Yuji will have advantage in CQC due to BM (FRS). Also if he taps into BF zone keeps spamming Yuji do has a chances of winning.

 

[Sus]

id say a fight between any of the top 4 goes either way
the biggest chance anyone has over the other is yuji over incarnated sukuna but even then its still close because of domains and stuff

 

[Zabazab]

why don't you include what sukuna said right after

"Too slow." (to Gojo) is the only thing he says in that chapter after Makora's sole thought is described.

 

[Nonynho]

Makora isn't a character, and it hadn't adapted to Furnace then

Furnace is not an initial resort and Makora's adapted to all the rest, possibly to Furnace too since there was not only the Shibuya fight, but also the off-screen one for the taming after that bath

Modulo Yuji Finally gets a good fight.
My brain says Sukuna extreme diff, but my heart and soul says Modulo Yuji high diff

I think Yuji has a more than decent chance due to not only being familiarized with Sukuna's fighting style but having years upon years of experience with his Kit
Though Sukuna with his equipment will be stupidly hard to deal with

but Big raga speed blitzes and oneshots them all, idc

seen truths only ngl

 

[Nonynho]

id say a fight between any of the top 4 goes either way

i'm positive on the same

 

[Sus]

"Too slow." (to Gojo) is the only thing he says in that chapter after Makora's sole thought is described.

pfft u dont have to be so literal

 

[Zabazab]

Furnace is not an initial resort and Makora's adapted to all the rest, possibly to Furnace too since there was not only the Shibuya fight, but also the off-screen one for the taming after that bath

Adaptations do not carry over between Ten Shadows Users, or Gojo would have gotten low-diffed in Shinjuku.

 

[Sus]

"Mahoraga doesn't count" in big 26
Peeps exclude Raga cuz they know he deserves Top 3 more than literally anyone. sure, the other contenders for top 3 have win cons (Yuta JL, 10M CS Uzamaki from Kenny, EMW [IF they're bigg enough] from MBA Kashimo) but Big raga speed blitzes and oneshots them all, idc

wont comment on makora vs kenny and yuta as we have already debated those enough, but kashimo? this mf has no chance

i don't see it mentioned enough here, but makora literally adapta to all forms of an attack after experiencing it

by the time kashimo charges his first discharge, makora will have already adapted to electricity in general, we are told that all MBA attacks come from his cursed energy trait

 

[Nonynho]

Adaptations do not carry over between Ten Shadows Users, or Gojo would have gotten low-diffed in Shinjuku.

Makora's accepted as being a singular individual so he should be adapted to everything

Gojo shouldn't be affected because of what Makora adapted to, because he adapted to Shrine, idek how would that make a difference lol

 

[Nonynho]

by the time kashimo charges his first discharge, makora will have already adapted to electricity in general, we are told that all MBA attacks come from his cursed energy trait

Depending on the condition of the match, Hakari can last more than a minute against the big 4, whatever the formation is

Kashimo lost to Hakari and lasted less than a minute against Tired FP Sukuna.
Kashimo doesn't have a chance against anyone of the big 4

 

[Sus]

Adaptations do not carry over between Ten Shadows Users, or Gojo would have gotten low-diffed in Shinjuku.

zabazab rare true statement

Makora's accepted as being a singular individual so he should be adapted to everything

except it is true that he resets adaptations between users, yuki's mahoraga dies to red and cleave

Gojo shouldn't be affected because of what Makora adapted to, because he adapted to Shrine, idek how would that make a difference lol

mahoraga adapted to the limitless before, if he could carry over adaptations he would have immediately killed gojo on sight

 

[Zabazab]

Makora's accepted as being a singular individual so he should be adapted to everything

No. It's a Shikigami that's "fresh" for every Ten Shadows User as they're the same technique, not literally the exact same individual shikigami.

Gojo shouldn't be affected because of what Makora adapted to, because he adapted to Shrine, idek how would that make a difference lol

A previous Makora adapted to Limitless 400-500 years ago.

 

[Sus]

Depending on the condition of the match, Hakari can last more than a minute against the big 4, whatever the formation is

Kashimo lost to Hakari and lasted less than a minute against Tired FP Sukuna.
Kashimo doesn't have a chance against anyone of the big 4

hakari gets killed by sukuna and dabura within 1 second

3 seconds for gojo and yuji because they like him

 

[Nonynho]

No. It's a Shikigami that's "fresh" for every Ten Shadows User as they're the same technique, not literally the exact same individual shikigami.


A previous Makora adapted to Limitless 400-500 years ago.

zabazab rare true statement

except it is true that he resets adaptations between users, yuki's mahoraga dies to red and cleave

mahoraga adapted to the limitless before, if he could carry over adaptations he would have immediately killed gojo on sight

Bet, didn't know about those, ty.

 

[Nonynho]

hakari gets killed by sukuna and dabura within 1 second

That is so not true lmfao

 

[Sus]

No. It's a Shikigami that's "fresh" for every Ten Shadows User as they're the same technique, not literally the exact same individual shikigami.

i have a headcanon about mahoraga that he was a creature/cursed spirit before

 

[Sus]

Bet, didn't know about those, ty.

it is stated in shibuya and reiterated by gege post modulo, if u want sources

 

[Nonynho]

it is stated in shibuya and reiterated by gege post modulo, if u want sources

speaking of sources after talking about makora

lock-in on that thread so you stop desiring it to be done, brother!

 

[Zabazab]

Hakari sucks. Not critiquing his character this time, but his strength. He's a pretty strong Grade 1 but not top 10 or anything. He obviously isn't gonna last more than a few moments against the top 3 when characters like Kenjaku, Yuta, Yuki, Yorozu, Yuji, Maki, Jogo, and Marulu, all get no-diffed. Simultaneously.

 

[Sus]

speaking of sources after talking about makora

lock-in on that thread so you stop desiring it to be done, brother!

yeah imma start today

 

[Nonynho]

Hakari sucks. Not critiquing his character this time, but his strength. He's a pretty strong Grade 1 but not top 10 or anything. He obviously isn't gonna last more than a few moments against the top 3 when characters like Kenjaku, Yuta, Yuki, Yorozu, Yuji, Maki, Jogo, and Marulu, all get no-diffed. Simultaneously.

I'll have to deepen my research to speak about Kenjaku and Marulu, but Hakari definetely wins against all of those you mentioned and even more definetely is on top 10 sorcerers

 

[Sus]

Hakari sucks. Not critiquing his character this time, but his strength. He's a pretty strong Grade 1 but not top 10 or anything. He obviously isn't gonna last more than a few moments against the top 3 when characters like Kenjaku, Yuta, Yuki, Yorozu, Yuji, Maki, Jogo, and Marulu, all get no-diffed. Simultaneously.

gege excelled at showing the gap between the big 4 and the rest of the characters

kusakabe compares himself to an ant getting stepped on by an elephant when talking about special grades, let alone gojo-level

 

[Nonynho]

yeah imma start today

sending good energies from Brazil, mate!

 

[Sus]

sending good energies from Brazil, mate!

gonna reread his 3 fights to gather scans

 

[Zabazab]

but Hakari definetely wins against all of those you mentioned

Hakari would lose to Yuta or Yuki or Yorozu or Yuji or Maki or Jogo. His only wincon is "Hope they run out of Cursed Energy."

Yuta has basically every quality to beat Hakari (better stats, a Player 2, better techniques, a means of restoring Cursed Energy, a longer 'super-mode', a high-output finisher that can be used in succession). Yuki just output-diffs to make RCT useless. Yorozu has flight + Perfect Sphere to render RCT useless. Yuji has better stats and better techniques (but he's the one Hakari is closest to beating bc he has no magic bullet or crazy reserves). Maki SSK-diffs to make RCT useless. Jogo is Him.

 

[Keshirou]

Yuta has basically every quality to beat Hakari (better stats,

 

[Sus]

both yuta and hakari agree that the latter is stronger, why do people deny it?

yuta vs hakari can go either ways imo, but shinjuku yuta almost certainly wins

for yorozu, she is so much stronger and faster with armor, but true sphere might not land as a surehit because hakari excels at domain clashes
if it does land tho, hakari dies

 

[Nonynho]

Hakari would lose to

lmfao, ok, lemme go one by one, but for starters, none of them is remotely close from being able to kill Hakari regardless of Jackpot, like the big 4 surely can and is definetely one of the reasons why they lose.

Yuta has basically every quality to beat Hakari (better stats, a Player 2, better techniques, a means of restoring Cursed Energy, a longer 'super-mode', a high-output finisher that can be used in succession).

Yuta has no reason not to put Rika out very early in the fight and as soon as he does, Domain cooks him
Considering any second before Pure Love Train pops up + Event(s) + Jackpot's 4:11 time and there goes Rika.

They both are considered at the same realm APwise, as there's the famous Yuta quote that the only two students that could "walk with Gojo-Sensei" are him and Hakari, and that's the whole reason why he even asked Yuji & co. to go after him to help out recovering Gojo.

First Jackpot got Yuta Rika-less, second and third one get him out of CE because of Hakari's "rough" CE rendering Yuta to use more RCT.

Yuki just output-diffs to make RCT useless.

Couldn't even do that to Kenjaku and lost off screen

suuuuuuuure.

Yorozu has flight + Perfect Sphere to render RCT useless.

Oh yeah because those mean instant loss for... one of the current era's most cqc-wise-skillful students... who has ranged options and probably outstat her, so he'll 100% get his domain up before she even thinks of flying... and other than one attack has no answer to Jackpot...

suuuuuuuure.

Yuji has better stats and better techniques (but he's the one Hakari is closest to beating bc he has no magic bullet or crazy reserves).

You mean Yuji who didn't even completely uses Sukuna's kit and has basic knowledge of ? The same one that was bleeding and having difficulty getting up after 3 punches, much like Yuji vs Choso? Who will have a hard time even taking a grasp of what's going on inside Hakari's domain?

Maki SSK-diffs to make RCT useless.

Hakari knows CHR Maki is not considered a person by Domains, so he won't even use it
And has speed to keep up
And has more experience and BIQ
And has ranged resources

Jogo is Him.

suuuuuuuure.

 

[Sus]

Oh yeah because those mean instant loss for... one of the current era's most cqc-wise-skillful students... who has ranged options and probably outstat her, so he'll 100% get his domain up before she even thinks of flying... and other than one attack has no answer to Jackpot...

he isn't outstating the big zo

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Hakari beating Yorozu in a fight is laughable.

 

[Sus]

Hakari knows CHR Maki is not considered a person by Domains, so he won't even use it

he can still use his domain and get a jackpot, she will only not get the rules streamed to her brain

 

[Nonynho]

he can still use his domain and get a jackpot, she will only not get the rules streamed to her brain

it is even worse then, because she'll just see a black ball and him getting out with infinite CE with an annoying music (in her opinion at least) lol