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Breaking Occular genjustu is the same as breaking regular genjustu. You just need to expel the enemies chakra disrupting your chakra.
Well partially right, it’s never stated or shown that an enemy injects chakra into you for GJ to work.

It’s described as calming your “agitated” chakra, which is more about how GJ interacts with the five senses, which all house physical energy (often used as a colloquialism for Chakra) as does every cell in a characters body, a component of chakra, rather than an energy clash.

Also you cannot dispel Sharingan GJ the same way as normal GJ, you need another party to break it otherwise you’re stuck there, like the Ay example or Bee with Gyuki but even that’s only basic Sharingan GJ rather than stuff like Tsukuyomi, Koto, IT, Frog Song, which don’t let you break out at all without powerful enough occular prowess.
Sasuke broke out of tsukiyomi via flushing itachi's chakra out with his curse mark level 2 chakra.
Right bc CS2 Sasuke has the occular prowess to break through Tsukuyomi which is normally unbreakable for lesser Dojutsu users like Kakashi.

He also didn’t flush out chakra, in fact it’s stated that he forced his way out.
Sharingan users can see inaccuracies and become aware they are in genjustu.
That’s true for Basic illusions that aren’t attacking your senses directly like the basic Clone Jutsu, but on top that ability they also just see through Mental Manip GJ, as stated many times.
Kurenai put itachi in genjutsu
As funny as the meme is, Kurenai is touted as a powerful GJ user even by village standards

Her being able to put Itachi under GJ is more telling about her ability, it’s just she’s up against Itachi.

If all Sharingan users are always susceptible to GJ, Sasuke wouldn’t have had to put Danzo under GJ prior to enacting his plan on Danzo’s arm of Izanagi’s to, in Obitos words, confirm if he could put Danzo in a GJ at all before putting an illusion on his arm.
Kabuto put Sasuke and itachi in sound genjustu.
That says far more about Sage Mode Kabuto than anything.
Ao got broken out of kotoamatsukami.
He did not, Aoi has seen it used on others and was able to discern that Danzo was using it with his Byakugan. Once he was caught Danzo was forced and asked to turn the jutsu off.
Itachi stated you need MS genjutsu to control kurama.
Which says more about Kurama’s Genjutsu resistances. Considering we’re told quite often that only MS level GJ could hope to control Kurama.

Uchiha aren’t the only ones with solid GJ resistance.

Something that will be expanded upon whenever that blog gets a revamp.
 
İtachi let sasuke beat him but idk about genjutsu, obito said this to sasuke, but i think he doesnt talk about genjutsu
I'm pretty confident what Obito says here is figurative. He's not saying "oh you didn't break any of Itachis genjutsu because you don't have enough layers of resistance!1!". He's saying Sasuke never understood Itachi and couldn't see through his lies
 
probably obito said only someone who shares his direct blood and a mangekyou can break it in part 1.
Wasn't it Itachi himself who said that in Part I? On the other hand, after the brothers' fight, Obito revealed to Sasuke that Itachi's goal in that battle was never to kill him, because if that had truly been his objective, Itachi would still be alive and Sasuke would be dead.
 
I'm pretty confident what Obito says here is figurative. He's not saying "oh you didn't break any of Itachis genjutsu because you don't have enough layers of resistance!1!". He's saying Sasuke never understood Itachi and couldn't see through his lies
We can argue that itachi let sasuke break tsukuyomi but yeah i agree that he doesnt mean it in this panel
 
Every vs thread with itachi ,is going to be stomp ig
i would agree with you, but since there's no way to genjutsu both Boruto and Momoshiki at the same time and the latter can just take the first out of them, the only way Itachi wins is by Izanagi or Totsuka Blade
 
i would agree with you, but since there's no way to genjutsu both Boruto and Momoshiki at the same time and the latter can just take the first out of them, the only way Itachi wins is by Izanagi or Totsuka Blade
İf you make speed equal,itachi most likely win because of his hax abilities and its could be stomp again ,if you dont borushiki blitz itachi
 
İf you make speed equal,itachi most likely win because of his hax abilities and its could be stomp again ,if you dont borushiki blitz itachi
All ninjutsu haxes get absorbed, all genjutsu haxes are negged and Itachi may be above skillwise but not humiliatingly, so Borushiki has a quite solid chance
 
All ninjutsu haxes get absorbed, all genjutsu haxes are negged and Itachi may be above skillwise but not humiliatingly, so Borushiki has a quite solid chance
Borushiki doesnt wake up from genjutsu instantly so itachi would easily capture him with totsuka blade i think
 
Borushiki doesnt wake up from genjutsu instantly so itachi would easily capture him with totsuka blade i think
Totsuka Blade is not an instant move for any instance of an alive Itachi
The first genjutsu may take a second for him to wake up from, but Borushiki definetely won't stay for much on others because Momo will be cautious from that
 
hey, hello

can you take a look at my Madara revamp CRT?
bumping this

can anyone call a naruto-understanding mod here? don't even think 2 votes are needed, this is just putting stuff from Obito's profile onto Madara's and tabbering
 
Also: Is the Obito profile complete on Sharingan abilities? Maybe after finishing this one for Madara i can go through the work of updating our Sharingan page
 
Ohts physiology gives them likely resistance to IT, which is 2 layers higher than Tsukuyomi
restricting Kama progression still gives this result?

Then this is interesting, because Borushiki will have a nice opportunity in the very beginning where Itachi will be trying genjutsu 100% before Susano'o, Amaterasu or both
 
Ohts physiology gives them likely resistance to IT, which is 2 layers higher than Tsukuyomi
So its borushiki, its just stomp because borushiki is 5b, if its not, boruto shouldnt get genjutsu resistance of the ootsutsuki and itachi is way higher than base boruto
İtachis only aswer against borushiki is totsukablade but borushiki can desteoy susanoo easily.
So i dont think anyone can make a fair match up for them
 
So i dont think anyone can make a fair match up for them
If it's Boruto not-yet-posessed, things should go well, since they'd be able to match each other APwise, genjutsu won't be an instant win button since we agreed momo will take him out of it and there is a clear opportunity/wincon for both sides
 
If it's Boruto not-yet-posessed, things should go well, since they'd be able to match each other APwise, genjutsu won't be an instant win button since we agreed momo will take him out of it and there is a clear opportunity/wincon for both sides
İs this version of boruto can absorb ninjutsu? You talking about that form with just kama but not horn right?
 
 
Stop making matches like this, besides Naruto supporters probably won't be interested
 
this is the first matchup i made though 💔

you should probably present arguments for boruto though, I dont like fra trains
Re zero matches are always a headache, in fact there's on right now with 7 pages. Why would you think another one would make people interested. Not to mention there's nothing interesting about the match, either the guy dies to just the shock waves of boruto attacks or he one shots with his sword. There is nothing to argue
 
Re zero matches are always a headache, in fact there's on right now with 7 pages. Why would you think another one would make people interested. Not to mention there's nothing interesting about the match, either the guy dies to just the shock waves of boruto attacks or he one shots with his sword. There is nothing to argue
I've always said that large stat gap fights are not fun. It's always either the AP-man one shots by sneezing or the hax-man one shots through some dura neg shenanigans usually leaving little to no room for actual discussion
wouldnt this battle be skillslop? Cecilus dodging the shockwaves and Boruto dodging the cuts?
 
Well there is this scan from the Naruto quiz book.

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From Kishimoto's interview I saw on reddit, it seems it's both ocular ability and the chakra from the CS.

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To even realize you are in a genjutsu is a resistance feat in itself, but breaking out is another level.
Well, yeah, that's why I specified CS2 Sasuke, the Cursed Mark being a watered-down Sage Transformation.

And we know Sage Transformation is just a different form of Nature energy gathering like Sage Mode, with Sage Mode being stated to be an amp to Genjutsu as well.
 
Well there is this scan from the Naruto quiz book.

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That's a vague statement that doesn't really confirm either stance.

For one, the statement doesn't say the opponent's chakra is injected in the target; it says that Genjutsu is a state where one's chakra is being manipulated within the brain, with the Brain being...
  • The house of the Yin half of the chakra (aka the consciousness)
  • comprised entirely of the Yang half of the chakra in every cell of the brain (physical energy)
  • "Chakra," rather, its components are completely in charge of all bodily functions, from all senses, to all the organs, to even the skin.

So basically, Genjutsu is a state where the energy that resides in all bodily functions and the consciousness is manipulated from within the brain.

Disrupting the chakra in the brain is also in reference to one's own agitated chakra rather than someone else's, as the actual chapters where Naruto recalls Jiraiya's flashback suggest.

Needing a power that surpasses the opponent is also vague and not really supported.

Because GJ is never shown, stated, or implied to be resisted with literal power, rather GJ resistance that can be amplified with superior Dojutsu, forms with greater GJ resistance, or just greater GJ resistance due to being a specialist.

Otherwise, none of these no named Uchiha with MS should be capable of putting Kurama under GJ for long if at all, yet the story suggests they're the only ones in the entire village that would be able to.


So yeah, this is one of those statements that only makes sense in that way, with none of the context of the story.
 
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