Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Sus]

BW is drastically less useful when todo is alone

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Mf, did i just see Sukuna eating 7 Black Flashes before like 2 mins pass?

eat? yeah. he withstood 5 max before the 6th broke his face mask in half and the 7th sent him flying

 

[Ozcantabak]

What happened to the wiki collab thread ?

 

[Sus]

i ate it

 

[Sus]

modulo yuta one shotting mahoraga as he doesn't have feats to get adapted to

 

[WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces]

I actually wonder now, if you put Mahoraga against someone with say 500 times toughness/hardness/durability and they just don't attack back, what is he going to adapt to?

 

[Sus]

I actually wonder now, if you put Mahoraga against someone with say 500 times toughness/hardness/durability and they just don't attack back, what is he going to adapt to?

maho already showcased dura neg so

inviolability and invincibility aren't much different

 

[Sus]

guys can you tell i have a fav character

 

[WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces]

maho already showcased dura neg so

inviolability and invincibility aren't much different

This is after adapting to Infinity. I'm asking about a fresh Mahoraga who hasn't adapted to anything. The same type that Gege referred to when saying they all start equal when summoned.

 

[Sus]

This is after adapting to Infinity. I'm asking about a fresh Mahoraga who hasn't adapted to anything. The same type that Gege referred to when saying they all start equal when summoned.

yeah i know, im saying physical strength is something mahoraga is fully capable of adapting to and bypassing it

 

[Zabazab]

modulo yuta one shotting mahoraga as he doesn't have feats to get adapted to

Modulo Yuta is dead brah

 

[Sus]

Modulo Yuta is dead brah

thats part of the joke

 

[Nonynho]

BW is drastically less useful when todo is alone

yup, but BW + Anyone is disaster curse lvl at minimun

eat? yeah. he withstood 5 max before the 6th broke his face mask in half and the 7th sent him flying

That s* a mask? always thought it was a bone or something, ugly af
He seemed so hurt that he got his domain back lol

 

[Nonynho]

but lemme ask here, can someone source or bring a scan of where tf did Hakari ever say he wouldn't win against Uraume? The only part where he mentioned anything alike was when they talked and when he said "we're going to win", regarding beating Sukuna's ass

I'd like to bump this because i've seen @Sus and someone else saying this but didn't see him saying this nowhere

 

[Sus]

I'd like to bump this because i've seen @Sus and someone else saying this but didn't see him saying this nowhere

its after the fight is already over

 

[WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces]

yeah i know, im saying physical strength is something mahoraga is fully capable of adapting to and bypassing it

You're not understanding my question. His opponent doesn't hit back or do anything to initiate the adaptation. Like when the Narrator said that Mahoraga has begun to adapt to light from Dabura after he shoots Maho. His opponent just stands there.

 

[Nonynho]

You're not understanding my question. His opponent doesn't hit back or do anything to initiate the adaptation. Like when the Narrator said that Mahoraga has begun to adapt to light from Dabura after he shoots Maho. His opponent just stands there.

Makora starts adapting to anything that happens

It happened to be that his attacks aren't doing anything because the opponent's looking like a wall
Wheel Spins
He's now damaging the "standing still opponent"

 

[Sus]

You're not understanding my question. His opponent doesn't hit back or do anything to initiate the adaptation. Like when the Narrator said that Mahoraga has begun to adapt to light from Dabura after he shoots Maho. His opponent just stands there.

i did understand
even if the opponent is standing still, maho will attack, and he can adapt to his attacks not working
against sukuna RCT didn't work so he started using CE
vs gojo he (well, sukuna in this case) couldn't touch him so he adapted to slice space

he will see that he cant damage the opponent and adapt accordingly

 

[Sus]

idk where people got the misconception that maho only adapts to attacks that hits him

 

[Nonynho]

idk where people got the misconception that maho only adapts to attacks that hits him

adapting to all phenomena + jjk fans incapability to read = "he adapts to all attacks"

 

[WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces]

i did understand
even if the opponent is standing still, maho will attack, and he can adapt to his attacks not working
against sukuna RCT didn't work so he started using CE
vs gojo he (well, sukuna in this case) couldn't touch him so he adapted to slice space

he will see that he cant damage the opponent and adapt accordingly

Makora starts adapting to anything that happens

It happened to be that his attacks aren't doing anything because the opponent's looking like a wall
Wheel Spins
He's now damaging the "standing still opponent"

Both of these answers are insufficient and we already know why when Gojo had to use each form of infinity on Mahoraga before it started adapting to them. This isn't about "Attacks", on the contrary, there's no attack. This is moreso if it will adapt to a lack of phenomena doing anything to him. That's why I put the part of an opponent with an order of magnitude difference in durability.
We already know Mahoraga doesn't just adapt to phenomena that exists unless it is subjected to it, or else it would've already adapted to its hard initial planet only summoning.

 

[Sus]

Both of these answers are insufficient and we already know why when Gojo had to use each form of infinity on Mahoraga before it started adapting to them.

bad analogy, why are forms of limitless other than infinity relevant here?
he adapted his own inability to hit gojo, this is similar

This isn't about "Attacks", on the contrary, there's no attack. This is moreso if it will adapt to a lack of phenomena doing anything to him.

maho will adapt to the durability difference, who cares if the opponent doesn't attacks, thats so irrelevant, ur question was about durability

That's why I put the part of an opponent with an order of magnitude difference in durability.
We already know Mahoraga doesn't just adapt to phenomena that exists unless it is subjected to it

it is going to get subjected to the fact that it cant hurt the character

or else it would've already adapted to its hard initial planet only summoning.

what ?

 

[Sus]

any news on s4?

 

[WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces]

bad analogy, why are forms of limitless other than infinity relevant here?
he adapted his own inability to hit gojo, this is similar

maho will adapt to the durability difference, who cares if the opponent doesn't attacks, thats so irrelevant, ur question was about durability


what ?

He adapted to neutral infinity because Sukuna took on the burden of adaptation and was subjected to neutral infinity, blue, and unlimited void. Obviously it didn't at all adapt to purple because it was never subjected to purple. Point here. If all of this is actually irrelevant, then Mahoraga would be undefeatable. It isn't though.

it is going to get subjected to the fact that it cant hurt the character

As for this, again, not sure if this is even true. It couldn't hit sublight speed Dabura and after having the longest fight in its existence didn't spontaneously create its level of super speed or bridge the gap. Again, the point of specifying someone orders of magnitude greater durability, just like it didn't get orders of magnitude greater speed.

 

[Sus]

He adapted to neutral infinity because Sukuna took on the burden of adaptation and was subjected to neutral infinity, blue, and unlimited void.

yes?

Obviously it didn't at all adapt to purple because it was never subjected to purple.

yes?

Point here. If all of this is actually irrelevant, then Mahoraga would be undefeatable. It isn't though.

never said he is undefeatable or that he adapts to things he didn't experience (although the latter happens given time but thats irrelevant)

he will get subjected to the durability difference by attacking the character, just like w gojo and sukuna, i really don't see ur point

As for this, again, not sure if this is even true. It couldn't hit sublight speed Dabura and after having the longest fight in its existence didn't spontaneously create its level of super speed or bridge the gap. Again, the point of specifying someone orders of magnitude greater durability, just like it didn't get orders of magnitude greater speed.

2 completely different situations

dabura wasnt always at rel+ speed, mahoraga adapted to survive the kick there is no need to be at light speed

you are forgetting a crucial point, mahoraga fights to defeat, against dabura he already was keeping up after the kick and was immune to his abilities

and for the difference of durability, we know he can bypass it by inventing dura neg abilities, he doesn't necessarily have to get the AP to hurt him

 

[Sus]

i need yorozu animated asap

 

[Sus]

 

[Nonynho]

The main misconception here, once again:

Makora doesn't need to suffer from an experience to start adapting to it
He must experience something his body isn't used to, to start adapting to it.

On the case of that "100% still individual with impenetrable defenses"
When the 10 shadows user "furu be yura yura"'s, Makora appears
Then he'll try beating the fella and see it doesn't work
because of that, his wheel will start to spin, for him to get adapted to it yada yada

 

[WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces]

yes?

yes?

never said he is undefeatable or that he adapts to things he didn't experience (although the latter happens given time but thats irrelevant)

he will get subjected to the durability difference by attacking the character, just like w gojo and sukuna, i really don't see ur point

2 completely different situations

dabura wasnt always at rel+ speed, mahoraga adapted to survive the kick there is no need to be at light speed

you are forgetting a crucial point, mahoraga fights to defeat, against dabura he already was keeping up after the kick and was immune to his abilities

and for the difference of durability, we know he can bypass it by inventing dura neg abilities, he doesn't necessarily have to get the AP to hurt him

There is a negligible difference in durability between Mahoraga, Gojo, and Sukuna. Essentially, all can be harmed by the same things. It isn't 500 or 10 million times difference between all three. The "dura neg" ability is only developed against Gojo because Maho was exposed to infinity. It was never developed for Dabura or Sukuna or Yorozu. Maho's adaptation clearly reset in every new instance. Again, this isn't an actual counter to what I asked. It seems you're inventing what Maho will do in this scenario as if this character with so much more durability is neutral infinity.

What are you talking about lmao? Mahoraga is explicitly slower than Dabura when he uses light on himself and never bridges that gap. Not only that, after Dabura stops using light on himself, Mahoraga never lands a hit again. We just never see him do any other damage to Dabura to the point Dabura is smiling and laughing dancing. He never "bridged" that gap.

 

[Sus]

what ur saying doesn't even follow ur own question... and nowhere did i say maho bridged the gap, did you not understand what i said at all?

 

[Zabazab]

Makora and Dabura never actually physically interact again after the sublight kick. The dancing is a metaphor for Dabura finally enjoying a fight and wanting to keep going.

Also Makora can adapt to brute force. It will adapt to a stonewall character by either raising its AP or negating their durability.

 

[Sus]

your premise:
a character with insane durability that mahoraga at base level cant even scratch, but this character DOES NOTHING TO MAHO AT ALL AND DOESNT ATTACK

mahoraga, according to your premise, has unlimited time to find a way to bypass the durability

wont mention the dabura fight since it was mostly off screened post kick and the dancing panel seems to have different interpretations

but why would maho invent dura neg against sukuna and yorozu? he already could harm them

 

[Nonynho]

mahoraga, according to your premise, has unlimited time to find a way to bypass the durability

I think that's a main reason why Makora wins, because unless time-limited, Makora WILL adapt to whatever

 

[Sus]

can someone remind me of when was dabura stomping maho post kick?
1- dabura enjoyed himself and was having fun ≠ stomping, otherwise gojo stomped sukuna
2- the fight was off screened
3- "dabura reclaims his path to victory" BROTHER WASTNT WINNING OFFSCREEN

 

[Sus]

I think that's a main reason why Makora wins, because unless time-limited, Makora WILL adapt to whatever

one of the reasons he 100% adapts to RCT and kills hakari

 

[Nonynho]

one of the reasons he 100% adapts to RCT and kills hakari

why would Non ever think about a way that tries to make them somewhat in even grounds and softly limit the time the battle would have like... putting them near a nuclear reactor?

 

[Zabazab]

Makora (no interaction with Dabura post-kick) started adapting to Dabura's existence. It would fold a stonewall like laundry.

one of the reasons he 100% adapts to RCT and kills hakari

Son the Divergent Sila Divine General does not need to adapt to squish Hakari unless you do some shit like [Yuji says Yuta≈15F Sukuna + Yuta says he can handle Makora & Agito and if you squint Hakari might scale somewhat that way]

 

[Sus]

why would Non ever think about a way that tries to make them somewhat in even grounds and softly limit the time the battle would have like... putting them near a nuclear reactor?

wasn't talkin abt u dw

maho showcased adaptation to soul related stuff (UV)
showcased he can see things he normally cant see (shrine)
showcased he can imbue slashes with unique properties (wcs)

= maho adapts to see the soul and cut it with slashes, call that the SSS (soul splitting slash)

 

[Nonynho]

hakari

Speaking of the goat:

Spoiler: hakari panels

It doesn't seem at all like Hakari thought he was going to lose?

I know i'm putting a scanlation here, but i find it very hard to imagine both characters said something immensely distant from this on the official manga and i'd like a scan from whoever can send them to prove this claim

 

[Nonynho]

wasn't talkin abt u dw

oh i know, i was joking around