Lifting Strength Vs Punching Strength (Tatsumaki vs Broly | 6 - 1 - 0)

[BoastJr]

Rules :

• Speed Equal
• Broly is Bloodlusted
• 100 Metre apart and battle starts 3 Kilometre above Earth's surface
• Tatsumaki has Prep Knowledge on Broly
• Broly's Full Power Super Saiyan Form is used

Class Z LS vs 2C AP...

Lets settle LS Versus AP once and for all

Tatsumaki : @JustANormalPerson01 @Nonynho @Zanesucksatlife @Sooshirohl @Mommyleona @Raiden38
Broly : @TiltedFN
Incon :
Fight OST :

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Blowing up strength FRB

 

[ARandomDude127]

Dragon Ball mfs can’t EVER get a break from the LS meta bro

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

So... this is a fight between a Tatsumaki who is gonna start with sheer intention to kill, knows that Broly is dangerous enough to take it serious and knows her attacks won't work on him due to the sheer AP diference; and Broly.

Tatsumaki can freeze in place Psykorochi to the point she cannot even move a little when she's serious. Psykorochi is in turn far superior to Orochi who scales to 11 Quintillion Metric Tons.

Broly is somewhat inferior to Blue Gogeta, who in base is far superior to Blue Goku + Blue Vegeta. With Base Goku surviving with a lot of effort a pressure of 1 Billion tons and Blue Goku breaking out of it effortlessly iirc.

Anyway, we're here on a difference of Tatsumaki's LS scaling far above 10^10 times what Broly scales to.

Thus... given multipliers are not applied to LS and no scaling chain will get you pass a 10^10 times difference, Tatsumaki freezes Broly in place with her TK and throws him into space like he tried to do against Saitama, this time working and killing Broly because saiyans cannot breathe on space.

 

[Mommyleona]

Tatsu is bloodlusted AND with prior knowledge?
Chokes his throat with telekinesis preventing blood flow to the brain thus killing Broly

 

[Enter_Bluey]

WHAT IS THIS POWER....KAKARROT YOU CAN SUMMON LITTLE GIRLS WITH CLASS Z LS??

 

[Epiccheev]

If Broly fires a mouth laser can Tatsumaki redirect it back since her LS in theory would be able to?

 

[TegamiBachi25]

More interesting if this was DBZ broly but following

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

If Broly fires a mouth laser can Tatsumaki redirect it back since her LS in theory would be able to?

I doubt Broly will even be able to open his mouth when Tatsumaki TK freezes him, which is thought-based.

 

[Epiccheev]

Then i dont think he has wincons at all

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Tats FRA

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Then i dont think he has wincons at all

Only thing I can think of would be aura. But this doesn't look like more than 10 meters. And afaik he doesn't show a bigger aura than that

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Voting for @Phoenks here

 

[Nonynho]

Well, how much time would @Phoenks take to kill him? Depending on the answer, he may be able to have a Zenkai - which always happens mid-fight - and suddenly have comparable LS, no?

 

[Huesito88]

Well, how much time would @Phoenks take to kill him? Depending on the answer, he may be able to have a Zenkai - which always happens mid-fight - and suddenly have comparable LS, no?

No that's a NLF

 

[Nonynho]

Hm

Then i think the only way for this to work would be Broly having BL and her only having Prep & Knowledge, then maybe she doesn't exert 100% of her LS right away and Broly has a slight chance

 

[Davi009997]

Would this be useful?"

Ki users can passively induce fear and insecurity into opponents that can sense their presence through the power of their auras which is bigger when the user has malicious ki, forcing a sensation of being crushed and paralyzed<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ki_Manipulation_(Dragon_Ball)#cite_note-DBM195-17"><span>[</span></a>

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Notice how you took out that ability is social influencing, not a supernatural ability causing those effects.

And nope, those won't work because Tatsumaki cannot sense ki afaik. Psychic energy and ki are different things in opm. Even if she could, she already knows how powerful Broly is and is explicitely bloodlusted, so just feeling her enemy is powerful won't do much

 

[BoastJr]

Lemme know if anything needs to be changed or not

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

Notice how you took out that ability is social influencing, not a supernatural ability causing those effects.

And nope, those won't work because Tatsumaki cannot sense ki afaik. Psychic energy and ki are different things in opm. Even if she could, she already knows how powerful Broly is and is explicitely bloodlusted, so just feeling her enemy is powerful won't do much

Not that this is social influencing but Broly's aura can still theoretically do this can't it? Psychic energy and Ki being fundamentally different doesn't necessarily change her from being inflicted by what looks like pressure radiating from Ki Aura. Even sudden or brief flinching or hesitation could hypothetically get Broly the win. He doesn't necessarily have to make contact with her considering he can aura diff her.

 

[Nonynho]

Well, i reiterate that there is no wincon for Broly with the current setting IMO

 

[Nonynho]

Lemme know if anything needs to be changed or not

Hm

Then i think the only way for this to work would be Broly having BL and her only having Prep & Knowledge, then maybe she doesn't exert 100% of her LS right away and Broly has a slight chance

100% this, for starters

 

[Killerdrone123]

Can't broly just use his danmaku to put tataumaki down I mean he seems to use it in ssj full power state like this or even while he was transforming against goku

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Not that this is social influencing but Broly's aura can still theoretically do this can't it? Psychic energy and Ki being fundamentally different doesn't necessarily change her from being inflicted by what looks like pressure radiating from Ki Aura. Even sudden or brief flinching or hesitation could hypothetically get Broly the win. He doesn't necessarily have to make contact with her considering he can aura diff her.

Has Broly ever done that with his aura, though? I don't think that an out of character move is even a comparable wincon to something Tatsumaki has done in character against an enemy she knows her psychic powers won't work against. Which is the case here

Plus it's not an instant what's needed. The amount of time Tatsumaki needs to be flinched is that so Broly or his aura (meaningless difference given both are in equal speed) to cover 100m. If Tatsumaki even thinks of binding Broly on that time, it's over.

and her only having Prep & Knowledge, then maybe she doesn't exert 100% of her LS right away and Broly has a slight chance

Bloodlust is meaningless here, tbh. Tatsumaki opens with psychic bind more times than not, and her knowing the sheer difference in strength is enough to resort to BFR. That was literally her first move against Saitama once she saw Saitama was tanking her full power attacks without a scratch.

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

Has Broly ever done that with his aura, though? I don't think that an out of character move is even a comparable wincon to something Tatsumaki has done in character against an enemy she knows her psychic powers won't work against. Which is the case here

Why would it have to be something Broly has done with his Ki? Why can't it be something accessible to all Ki users? At the very worst it'd likely be air manipulation but I doubt that since the link I sent you would serve as why it's nonsensical to think that. Had it been air manipulation I don't think Frieza would've been stunned, not even for a second. Secondly, Goku at that point is still at a disadvantage due to the difference in their power and if his attacks obviously aren't capable of harming Frieza let alone incapitating him this isn't something that should have worked. To me it just seems like the sudden rise in Goku's power via KKx20 is what caused Frieza to feel that sudden pressure. While Broly isn't bloodlusted Broly's mental state with FPSSJ is closer to being bloodlusted than not TBH. Revealing his aura and powering up is something he has done more than once. It's not even as if he needs to actually flex his aura given aura can also be invisible (Jiren, Beast Gohan and SSJ2 Gohan examples). But yeah that's my take on it really

Plus it's not an instant what's needed. The amount of time Tatsumaki needs to be flinched is that so Broly or his aura (meaningless difference given both are in equal speed) to cover 100m. If Tatsumaki even thinks of binding Broly on that time, it's over.

Even with speed equal why would it be meaningless? Tatsumaki is infinities weaker than Broly how do we even know it'll be defaulted to just flinching and won't outright kill her? The example I used was with Frieza who as I said already was above Goku so Frieza had the upperhand in not being subjected to worse effects.

 

[BoastJr]

I have changed the Battle Scenario.

Broly is now Bloodlusted and Tatsumaki is unBloodlusted but as @JustANormalPerson01 believes this will not matter I shall keep his vote intact and wait for any other vote changes

 

[Nonynho]

immense quantities of Ki are scary, it's basically a staple in DB from what i can remember, so that fear argument starts working

Now that there is a possible line for Broly and that this ain't a stomp, in my eyes at least, i'd vote Tatsumaki winning 85/15 FRA

 

[E1iminxtion]

goddang dragonball has such hilariously low LS, that man toriyama didnt even try to have any decent feats relating to it

and this is anime DB which has crazier stuff anyway, canon manga goku is sitting at class g dawg wth

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Why would it have to be something Broly has done with his Ki? Why can't it be something accessible to all Ki users?

It can be accessible to all ki users, such as how Ki blast is. We're talking about what Broly will do here, though. Him being able to do so doesn't mean he will. Let alone immediately, which is what he must do in order to have the slightiest chance to win.

Even with speed equal why would it be meaningless?

If Tatsumaki stops being flinched before Broly attacks her, he binds him in place.

If his aura is the problem, she can fly away or push Broly back at higher speed her aura approaches at (if we allow her possibly Rel+ rating) and evade the attack, then push him back into space.

Tatsumaki is infinities weaker than Broly how do we even know it'll be defaulted to just flinching and won't outright kill her?

We're talking about Tatsumaki receiving these effects:

Would this be useful?"

Ki users can passively induce fear and insecurity into opponents that can sense their presence through the power of their auras which is bigger when the user has malicious ki, forcing a sensation of being crushed and paralyzed<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ki_Manipulation_(Dragon_Ball)#cite_note-DBM195-17"><span>[</span></a>

You answered the comment where I was talking about that, not Broly's aura attacking Tatsumaki. Flinching because of SI happens regardless of your AP, btw.

If you talk about Broly aura crushing Tatsumaki, then we come back to the start. Refer to this post:

Only thing I can think of would be aura. But this doesn't look like more than 10 meters. And afaik he doesn't show a bigger aura than that

Danmaku @Killerdrone123 purposed is a better option, though again we're seeing those blasts too condensated because the distance between Goku and Broly is really small there. Here we're at 100m of difference. At that distance, Tatsumaki would have far easier evading them, and she doesn't need to get near Broly, just push him into space like she tried with Saitama.

To sum it up, wincons are:

• For Broly, raging his aura across 100m at the very beginning of the match to kill Tatsumaki with its pressure. If he thinks to attack her by getting close, throwing a Ki attack or literally any other option instead, he loses.
• For Tatsumaki, thinking on binding Broly (her open move), then throwing him on space (the very first thing she did against Saitama when she realized Saitama was too strong for her psychic power. She has previous knowledge over Broly, so she knows any attack from Broly is an instant death).

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

For Tatsumaki, thinking on binding Broly (her open move), then throwing him on space (the very first thing she did against Saitama when she realized Saitama was too strong for her psychic power. She has previous knowledge over Broly, so she knows any attack from Broly is an instant death).

Couldn't he just fly back?

 

[Huesito88]

Couldn't he just fly back?

Can't breathe in space

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Couldn't he just fly back?

No, because Tatsumaki will be binding him in place. You need greater LS than the force binding you to fly too.

Or, well, if you want an example, Psykos could also fly with her psychic powers, yet Tatsumaki was binding her in place.

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Even w Broly being bloodlusted, it wouldn't change by much. Hes gotta pull off something instant to win otherwise he gets LS diffed
Anyways, voting tatsu still.

Couldn't he just fly back?

No. He can't breathe in outer space

 

[Sooshirohl]

yeah i think tatsumaki unironically just LS diffs here ngl, voting for her FRA

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Can't breathe in space

I mean he's Sub-Relv here, Broly's not dying in like a second

 

[TiltedFN]

2-C AP character starting off in his berserk state while bloodlusted? All Tats can do is hold him in place at best. Broly would just be raging and letting out Ki in all directions. She genuinely gets aura diffed just like what would've happened in the ToP with far stronger characters. Just ridiculous. Voting Broly.

 

[Mommyleona]

My vote remains the same, even if she isn't bloodlusted she still knows she'll get one shot, so she just flies away as far as she can while choking Broly out

 

[Raiden38]

Tatsumaki will only need one look at Broly to stop him and give him the Gyoro gyoro treatment
Ye... Tatsumaki FRA

 

[Robo432343]

 

[Epiccheev]

Aint no way ass LS is that ass bro